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Celfious
Celfious


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posted April 24, 2017 07:31 PM

all lesbians hail Fred.

plebians said:
we're not worthy
we're not worthy
we suck
edit: my spell check says all plebians are lesbian

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fred79
fred79


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posted May 06, 2017 07:38 AM
Edited by fred79 at 09:02, 06 May 2017.

not that my voice matters anymore, but this needs to be said:

i'm posting the bulk of what i hcm'd to cor(with some added modifications) when i found out i couldn't post it due to my one-week ban, because i think it needs publicly said, and not just something to be lost amidst eventual deletion in hcm's:

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cor, you know damn well that i have no qualms against the blind(or ANY other group specifically, save sjw's and feminists; to be honest). what i said was obviously in jest. anyone could see that, even you. you only use that as an excuse to lash out at me; the same as maurice used me talking about eating a statue made out of chocolate(ffs) against me.

"sex and female anatomy"... man... you DO realize that there are no 5-year-olds here at hc, right? that no kids these days(especially inside the states) even GIVE A snow about heroes games? and what's more, you DO realize that kids these days, being exposed to the internet, are ALREADY AWARE of everything you're trying to hide from them? do you even understand my absolute befuddlement that you and maurice could even THINK that the rulebook you're supporting even APPLIES to today's youth? it's like you guys are off in la-la land, and have no grasp at all on reality. why hasn't anyone brought this up to val? is he SO adamant in his initial plans for hc?

realistically, if you look back at what hc was when it was first created, it was MUCH more lax than it is now, even with the c.o.c. intact. i could post countless links to content that still exists, that was never penalyzed(and, not to mention, everything that has been posted since then by many, many others, and by myself, as well. countless, countless times that the c.o.c. was breached, with no negative response whatsoever because it wasn't anything to TRULY complain or worry about). so YOU CURRENT MODS HAVE NO EXCUSE, especially when you're penalyzing me for words that AREN'T EVEN IN THE WORDFILTER(and especially so, when mods here have used curse words in their own posts, ffs. remember, clitoris[or clit] is a part of human anatomy. that is the anatomical name for the body part. "prick" and other words, on the other hand, clearly aren't. referring to one of your latest posts in the vw in an unrelated thread that has since turned up missing, maurice). i really cannot comprehend how you guys think you even have a logical leg to stand on in this. it's like i'm trying to convince people that the earth isn't flat, ffs. do you get what i'm saying? is any of this sinking in? i'm absolutely flabbergasted that you guys think you're doing what's "right".

you can act like you stand for the c.o.c., when i addressed val himself on the words i use, and even suggested that he put them in the wordfilter(by hcm, AND by a thread in this subforum that went IGNORED). he declined. and, to reiterate where val himself stands on what i post(from another hcm i sent to cor, that was just as ignored as the hcm that contained the bulk of this post):

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case in point, here is the last message that i sent to val, which remains unopened, and is going to expire:

Valeriy View Valeriy's Profile
Sent at:  20:54, Thursday 02 March
Subject: Re: a couple of notes
well, i use "goddamn" in my day-to-day language; which is why you see me type it here so much. as for "fag", that could certainly come across pretty harshly given the context, since it is the abbreviated version of "fag-got". but it's your site, man.


it's clear he doesn't want to hear what i have to say, either, or he would have bothered replying.


so if anyone's at fault here for saying NO-NO words, it would be val himself. this is HIS website. HE has control over the rules here. and HE lets you mods penalyze me for saying words that AREN'T EVEN IN THE WORDFILTER; among COUNTLESS OTHER POSTS THAT CONTAINED STUFF THAT BROKE THE C.O.C., that were rightfully ignored.

question. which word do you think is more offensive: "clitoris", or "goddamn"? because a clitoris is a part of human anatomy. GODDAMN, on the other hand, is a BLASPHEMY in religious eyes. and yet, NONE of you mods(including val himself) have ever gotten on me about my CONSTANT use of that phrase.

and why? because i'm not talking about SEX. which is something all parents are PARTICULARLY SQUEAMISH about, since "my precious children and their innocence". in the age of INTERNET and the death of PARENTAL SUPERVISION, ffs. get real.

i mean, come ON. you're not fooling anyone with even HALF a working brain. it's obvious what you guys are doing. i can't respect someone for their intelligence, when they stoop to childish squabbles and vendetta's against whoever they personally dislike. it makes me think much less of you.

but do what you do. it's clear i'm not going to reach you, because you don't care enough to hold mirrors up to yourselves and actually consider what i'm saying without lying to yourselves, or others(through "i'm just a mod, and he broke the c.o.c." posts). although, at this point, i'm through explaining. because you, maurice, and some others just don't want to hear it.

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also, i didn't follow through with my threats from the op, because i realized that would just work for those against me(it would only strengthen their bullsnow case). it's sad, that they'll win regardless, because i won't be around anymore. so either way, they win. i'm certainly not going to stick around to put up with any more of their selective-targeting and outright bullsnow-targeting "just because".

so, with all that out in the open now, i'm done. i want to thank those who supported me. at least three members are seeing things for what they really are, and aren't buying the excuses being given by mods and others. i really appreciate that you took the time to say so. it feels good knowing you're not alone.

as for those who think i'm some kind of nuisance, instead of just a guy who enjoys entertaining people; i have nothing but absolute contempt for you. you are the reason why i'll be weaning myself off hc; and moving on to another place i've been a part of for over a decade. THEY don't discriminate against me because i act and post like an ADULT. if anything, they'll just post something even MORE adult-oriented in response.

finally, this in no way means i'm done with modding. i still fully intend to finish my current and future modding plans. i still fully intend to go to college and get a degree in graphic art. and when i'm done and have something good to display, i may come back to post it/share it. but my general posting here at hc is done.

understand, i'm not posting this message to cause trouble(lest anyone use that as fuel for their further bullsnow-spewing), but only stating what i felt had to be said before leaving(so that my final perspective on the matter, and on leaving, would be clear). i'm already in the wind, and just had these last things to say.

peace, hc.

p.s. at least i won't have to deal with hc's posting restrictions anymore. no more floodprotect!

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted May 06, 2017 08:14 AM

Well, clitoris is part of human anatomy, but according to a majority of females complaints, not many guys know it exists so indeed that could shock some.

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Stevie
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posted May 06, 2017 08:27 AM

Goodbye, Fred.
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted May 06, 2017 09:06 AM

fred79 said:
p.s. at least i won't have to deal with hc's posting restrictions anymore. no more floodprotect!


You have 9 QPs and almost all I sent private recommendation to mods for them to free you from floodprotect. What do you do? Get 5 penalties in a row because what exactly? One you got on purpose because you thought you didn't deserve the QP, two you had to insult whole group of people (even if justified it STILL breaks the CoC, duh), then for the rest if mods misunderstand you or whatever and you keep on posting stuff that YOU KNOW will annoy them, what to expect? Earthen pot against iron pot is exactly what you did.

I think it sucks royally if you leave as it will be for the happiness of the very few people who have issues with you and to the rest of us you will be sorely missed. No-one can get along with EVERYBODY.

Now I understand you want to leave to prove a point: some decisions of the ModSquad made a very valuable member leave because they couldn't deal with his issues properly I bet is what you think, but SCREW THAT. Stay with us, the mods have no possibilities to penalize you further if you respect what they say, even if you don't agree. What's the big deal? You think the CoC is outdated so you start a joust with mods? Why not just keep on being awesome and deal with the few constraints ANY community will have. You simply cannot imagine how many posts I restrained to post or heavily edited before posting in the h7 subforums so I would not be penalized, and most pro-UBI defenders hate me to the guts, so what. You are leaving for the wrong reasons IMO, as if some people REALLY wanted you gone they have "won" while all the muffin enthusiasts suddenly don't have any more muffins to eat sensually with tons of butter and sugar.

So get back here right now!
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted May 06, 2017 12:30 PM

I'm only going to say one thing and one thing alone: fred, if you feel sleighted in any way because of what the mods did to keep you within bounds, get help. Seriously, get psychological help. The way you're behaving is ultimately self-destructive.

Well, two things then. You can blame me for all you want, but know one thing: you told me a number of things in private that you didn't disclose here. I will not reveal what you said, because I respect that you told me those things in confidence. And I will keep that respect and confidence, no matter how much I may disagree with your point of view. If I had really despised you on a personal level, I might just as well have spilled the beans on it during some of your rants against the mod squad, but I didn't.

There's a moral highground to be had and I invite you to step up to it, be a man.
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Celfious
Celfious


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Mickey cult member
posted May 06, 2017 01:10 PM

sorry you aren't allowed to leave it's in the coc
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted May 06, 2017 01:15 PM
Edited by Galaad at 13:16, 06 May 2017.

Maurice said:
I'm only going to say one thing and one thing alone: fred, if you feel sleighted in any way because of what the mods did to keep you within bounds, get help. Seriously, get psychological help. The way you're behaving is ultimately self-destructive.


Fred feels he suffered an injustice, and maybe he has? I don't know. But the way he feels is anything but insane, even a number of HC members (including a former mod) expressed themselves thinking the sanction was disproportionate to the offense.
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Celfious
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posted May 06, 2017 03:27 PM
Edited by Celfious at 15:32, 06 May 2017.

I'm addicted to HC for 16 years , his 7 day silence is the only thing I can think of that was over the edge. I'm not really trying to join an argument but however you look at it

the 7 day ban came resulting from this Op.. A voice of disagreement. It will never register any other way. he got a -qp for using a profane term sure but if he didn't say basically *I disagree with this* he wouldn't have been banned for 7 days.

well i still have respect and i look up to Corribus but I genuinely disagree with how we are losing one of the most respected members here.

I disagree with Fred too, I mean **** happens and 50 people say don't go but okay we all make our decisions
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verriker
verriker


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Erwin Loses A Kidney
posted May 06, 2017 04:01 PM

as I said before I do not like to criticize the mods because I think they are very good mods doing what they can, and I do not know what fred is saying to people in private, but although I disagree with his terrible opinions on feminism and the presidential election I certainly must defend him a bit and understand why he is aggrieved,

it is really a situation which has spiralled IMO, fred is an animal lover and I think it has started mainly with his objections to those IMHO unacceptable posts depicting the dead abused dog, which were thrown out with no punishment or even mention for that user in question, I think because fred is an animal lover and was very sincerely offended by those posts the mods may have thought he was just trolling them but personally as an animal lover I was also offended by them and thus think it was understandable lol

after that he himself was the one punished for a post really for an ulterior reason with nothing much to do with the actual post (given it was not a worse post than other posts by me and even some of the mods), basically the mods took a very harsh interpretation of the post as a means to an end,

bear in mind we are all human, personally I think perhaps he was incorrect to overdo it too much in his objection even if he was right on a basic level and perhaps the mods were incorrect to cast a cold eye on his objection in the first case even if he has a track record,
IMO for the ideal world it will be good for fred to simmer down a bit, be a bit more reasonable and not be too deliberately provocative because it will not achieve much, while for the mods it would be good to hear fred out, not to punish fred disproportionately or keep label him an insane person who needs to seek psychological help because I think these are not constructive, just my worthless two cents but that may cause less antagonism and pointless drama all around cheers lol
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted May 06, 2017 11:56 PM
Edited by Maurice at 00:01, 07 May 2017.

verriker said:
while for the mods it would be good to hear fred out


Communication only works if it goes two ways.

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keep label him an insane person who needs to seek psychological help


I apologize for that remark on my side. It may have sounded harsher than I intended - and the last thing I would imply is insanity, because I do not. I myself have had psychological counseling after a RL friend of mine commited suicide a number of years ago and I was just stuck. I couldn't see things clearly anymore, like standing still and not progressing anywhere. It took me a year of council sessions, but I got out of it - and I'm still grateful that this person was able to get help me get myself back on track. It also showed me the value of such professional guidance; it's definately not exclusive for the insane or deranged.

And in my case, some people around me ushured me to find help, as it didn't come to my own mind to do so. Still grateful that they did that for me.
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Stevie
Stevie


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posted May 07, 2017 12:02 AM

Someone please close this thread.
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fred79
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posted May 07, 2017 02:21 AM
Edited by fred79 at 02:22, 07 May 2017.

so, one of the mods who has an issue with me says i need to seek psychological help, and the prime collaborator with 2 of the mods(the one decrying to the mods that the sky is falling every time i post something even remotely offensive) wants a thread addressing an actual issue, closed. typical.

thanks for reiterating my point. really, you'd have to be blind not to see the very real issue that i'm pointing out in this thread.

regardless, this thread will be closed, i have no doubt; because it speaks out against those currently running things here. it'll be closed after my opposition has the final say, and i'll probably be silenced or penalyzed again(and this message will most likely get deleted). that's the way these people work. they post something aggravating, then they lock the thread so that you cannot respond in it, and then they either penalyze you or silence you; depending on how far they want to aggravate you. and all under the guise of "upholding peace and harmony in hc".

and they try to convince people that I'M breaking the c.o.c.

it's despicable.

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Celfious
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posted May 07, 2017 03:06 AM

what's done is done let it go dog, just avoid eye contact and it'll be okay..

maybe it is time this thread is closed and you're strongly encouraged to come back down the line.. Thu g is in any country, buisness, or anything with authorities is Fred it's not always fair. Let the authorities be and adapt.

America I have no choice to be here but a woman on may 3rd was sentenced for laughing or something in opposition. Guess what happened to the cops she laughed about how crazy it was they didn't get reprimand for beating a hand cuffed man

they beat a hand cuffed man, got off no penalty, she is sentenced for a year for her opposition to the bull****
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Celfious
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posted May 07, 2017 03:12 AM
Edited by Celfious at 03:14, 07 May 2017.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/8ce8ff1f9ed1

no snow... real story, idont have the details to a key but the jest of it is, she is in jail facing a year and some cop got off from beating a man in cuffs
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Maurice
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Part of the furniture
posted May 07, 2017 11:11 AM
Edited by Maurice at 11:12, 07 May 2017.

Keep playing the victim, Fred, without any form of introspection or responsibility for your own actions. It's a suit that fits you well, you've worn it for years.

I'm done with you and this issue.
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fred79
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posted May 07, 2017 04:06 PM

You said so yourself, maurice: communication only works if it goes both ways. You had already made up your mind when addressing the old rage issue with omega's penalties, and wouldn't hear me then. No surprise you won't hear me now, since you started disliking me after that.

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Herry
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posted May 07, 2017 08:48 PM

I think there's a misunderstanding here. Let the literal Lord of Penalties explain something here. Since I have the most experience amongst all of us

A penalty is generally not a punishment to a single offence unless the offence in question was very severe. I'm not 100% sure this is how it works but I'm sure enough. Mods generally keep a lookout on everyone. When a breach to the CoC is made, if it's not very severe, they turn a blind eye, but they don't just walk away and forget it ever happened. If multiple breaches continue, measures like warning a user by editing their post or sending them a PM are taken. If they are not heeded, punishments like silencing and penalizing are taken.

Think of it this way. You owe someone money. He keeps letting you borrow it. Your debts keep incrementing. Once they reach a certain threshold, he makes you pay for it all. But instead of taking all the money, he takes only a single debt's worth of money. He gives you chances to pay the others as you please, but his tolerance decreases.

IMO mods understand that we are human, and that we sometimes make mistakes, or do something bad. They don't judge us for the first time. But if they see that you do the same offences over a long period of time and you don't listen to them, they whip your ass.

You didn't say, "Oww, I won't do it next time", instead you fought back and went for the "What was that for, I did nothing wrong!"

This also goes for QPs. If you have a history of being a poster with no real contribution and bad behaviour and you suddenly make a QP-worthy post, chances are you won't get it. But if you keep making contributions, you'll get it eventually.

Now I'm not trying to side with anyone here, I'm just trying to clear misunderstandings if there are any. You guys should calm the funk down, kiss each other, pat each other in the back, then talk about it. Someone has to be wrong in the end, and if they don't admit it, the conflict will persist.

But I understand that a silence also got applied. I think the silence meant something like, "lie down, chill out, have a cookie and a break." rather than "**** off, I'm right you're wrong now shut the **** up". I think he was rather trying to get you to calm down and stop it because of the way you spoke. I mean, after all, anyone can see that in the end, arguing over something like this is meaningless. If you think you were mistreated, don't get me wrong, it's totally fine to demand justice. But if you already did and you got a "no", that "no" totally won't change if you get more aggressive about it.

We're all grown adults here(with the exception of me ), so I think we should stop this bullfaeces, say sorry to each other and forget this ever happened. But if you don't wanna do it, no wonder people won't be siding with you.

I mean, for God's sake, it's in human nature to want to side against someone and give them harsher treatment after they disagree with you and take it personally. You will naturally feel compelled to do it. So pretending that WAS the case, you picked a fight and you should accept the consequences. You win and you lose. Even if you are correct, justice is only a concept. It's not always applied. From the iconic quote of Sylvester Stallone, "life ain't all sunshine and rainbows".

Tl;dr: in the end, everyone should calm the hell down and stop this conflict. I find it very childish when both sides are arguing that they're right but aren't actually listening to each other.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and have a nice day.
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posted May 08, 2017 03:14 AM

You've had ex mods as well as numerous members stating that they did not find what Fred wrote to be a penalty worthy consequence and yet you guys are still unwilling to listen?

It's not productive nor helpful if you blatantly state that you are done with a member and are unwilling to listen to what they have to say regardless of their actions they may have committed numerous times.

I may not post as much as I used to given that I am struggling to find the time being a step dad now and with work and everything but surely some of you must sit down reading this and think what the hell? Give the guy a break, a warning would have sufficed, not this rubbish that has been said.

This post isn't out to criticise the moderators as they do a good job but here I think a little bit of listening to the COMMUNITY wouldn't have been such a bad idea given that most think it was not a worthy penalty.

Just some food for thought.
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Stevie
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posted May 08, 2017 04:08 AM
Edited by Stevie at 04:25, 08 May 2017.

You come here reading once, missing the months old context of the mods having to deal with him, thinking you have an idea about anything, when it's been clear right from the very beginning that the guy is a repeated offender, admittedly against the CoC in his own words and you could even figure it out just by reading him in this thread, being warned multiple times, having been talked to in dozens of replies both in public and in private (even I tried reasoning with him), explained to with precision the exact reasons why he should not do this or that and why he got penalized when he went ahead and did it anyway on more than just one occasion. But hey, let's just dismiss all that under the banner of ignorance and appeal to majority and who gives a snow about the CoC or designated arbiters and let's just keep reiterating to brick walls because that's someone's idea of constructiveness and all that and just pardon him because that hasn't been done before.

Yea, what the hell.

P.S: How rich of you to talk about being constructive about someone's posting issues when I can remember one similar thread being closed partly because of your self-fulfilling prophecy that everything could go awry. Not even a hint of hypocrisy striking you, huh?
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