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Kipshasz
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posted June 28, 2017 05:44 PM

bloodsucker said:
@Kip My bad for thinking it was an interesting topic, no one picked it.


This is common practice.

Someone from Israel does something positive, then the "free Palestine" nuts are let loose.
Same with China, but in that case, the "Free Tibet" nuts are let loose.
Or should I say "slacktivists". Yeah, slacktivists is a better term for these kind of people.

The last big "Free Tibet" craze ended after Beijing Olympics.
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bloodsucker
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posted June 28, 2017 10:01 PM

I don't even start to understand your position. So the international public opinion should keep their moths shut about invasions and genocides? Any country can invade another and no one should speak about it? Or is it that this is all old news?
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Salamandre
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posted June 28, 2017 10:14 PM

Of course no country can do whatever it wants. Except Israel, as fanatic and faithful Zionists hold key positions in medias, finance, politics and arts. Both in USA and Europe, if you create and own the official information, you can do whatever you want and shut up whoever you need.

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Kipshasz
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posted June 28, 2017 10:17 PM

the thing is with those particular issues, is the only thing "done" about them is a bunch of slacktivists whining on social media. That's it. Oh yeah, there's also from time to time a band of dirty, smelly hippies reeking of cheap weed and holding up signs and crap.

Now jewish settlements on the west bank come into the spotlight again, because a jewish hot piece of ass starred in a comic book movie adaptation, and it was a hit.

And frankly, the world didn't gave a bleep about people in the Baltics being oppressed by the red plague (mass deportations to gulags for being a successful farmer is just one example. Stalinist epoch of the USSR sucked for everyone), so why should I care for a bunch of people who think a goat is a suitable partner for copulation?

Besides, isn't Palestinian population actually growing? Some genocide that is. By definition, it should be shrinking.

And for the record, I'd love the Litvaks to come back and live in Lithuania, and smoke out the jewshooter remnants and their spawn, who actually are a thorn in the side of us honest folk, who didn't got a nice spot in government just because our grandpa/dad/cousin's uncle/long lost sister of grandmothers aunt fled to the woods and played anti-soviet resistance aftermurdering their jewish neighbors. Sadly, very few of them don't hold a grudge against the whole nation, and are actually interested to settle back in.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 28, 2017 10:55 PM

Guys, don't you think the "arabs" had their chance? Couple of wars against Israel couple of decades ago, resulting in Israeli victories have done more to establish that country than everything else.

For actors/actresses toopine pro/con - are you kidding? It's like Bono singing Sunday Bloody Sunday, appealing to stop the violence in Ulster. Or Paul McCartney singing, Give Ireland back to the Irish.

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posted June 29, 2017 06:15 AM

JollyJoker said:
Guys, don't you think the "arabs" had their chance? Couple of wars against Israel couple of decades ago, resulting in Israeli victories have done more to establish that country than everything else.
You talk like it was some kind of honor duel, are you forgetting the advanced technology Europe and the US provided them? But even if it was a fair fight, since when winning equals being right?  
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posted June 29, 2017 08:19 AM

Advanced technology? In 1948 there wasn't much technology to speak of.
In 1967 the 6-day war was mainly an Israeli preemptive air strike.
And the Yom-Kippur in 1973, well. The Arabs were supplied with everything the USSR had, but they also had Mirages and Hawkers and Paton Tanks. The Israelis had T-54s as well, but mostly US tanks, but everything refitted with bigger British guns. They also had Phantoms and Mirages, and in my opinion it wasn't so much the material, but more the fact that the Israelis made better use of it since they were better trained.

Winning a war is the ultimate way of being right, because "right", as discussed in the religious thread (and not accepted there) isn't something you have by nature or god or whatever, but something that has to be "enforced" in some way.

What I want to say is, that Israel is now existing 70 years which is a mighty long time. It won't just disappear, and the Palestinians won't get their country back. Every solution must consider this.

I think, in West Wing Series 6 they tried to model a solution for the problem which seemed quite fine (I can't remember, though, what it was).

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Salamandre
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posted June 29, 2017 08:32 AM

This is not about Israel existence but about its borders illegally expanded, then the stolen land colonized to be sure none can proclaim it back. About 65+ UN condemnations are facts. Or maybe should USA and Russia fairly share Germany just because Germans had their chance and they lost it?

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antipaladin
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posted June 29, 2017 09:14 AM

By this very own logic france should be devided as in the 10th century diat by Germany italy and hungry
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posted June 29, 2017 09:16 AM

No, this is about an Israeli model and actress and her stance and influence as a public figure on political proceedings.

And "legal" and "illegal" don't mean crap without a "court" with the authority to ENFORCE what is deemed legal. Obviously the UN is NOT it, and not only with regard to the Arab-Israeli conflict and all problems stemming from that.
Israel does what it does, as does Russia, the US, China, Britain or France. Israel has always been tolerated and supported by the US specifically and the West in General, and considering that it is a political entity based on RELIGION (when it comes down to it), it's an oasis of sanity in the midst of a batcrap crazy region, which means the support even makes sense.

Now, obviously the fact that TRUMP has been voted has given the Israeli right the confidence to make a grab for Westjordan, and every step in that direction is making a two-country solution more unlikely.
However, Oslo is a generation in the past now, and I don't see much - any - progress being made in that direction, and there haven't been much international pressure either.

Is it really so astonishing that in Israel the political right is gaining momentum as well?

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posted June 29, 2017 09:49 AM

UN may not be ideal and it surely doesnt have any muscle to enforce anything if the big boys dont approve but it's the closest thing we have to an international arbitrator. Without it, you have no reference point and it's literally jungle law. The dilemma is, as you said it yourself, Israel is a "sane" country. It's not some dictatorship run by a megalomaniac or some lost in the middle of nowhere backwater country with an illiterate population. Their citizens are educated, civilized people and they should know better than to continously support strictly right-wing hawk politicians in a region where you are the new weirdo kid in the block. But here, we come to the otherside of the equation, the Arabs are most of the time openly anti-semitic and hostile, this also feeds the far-right in Israel. For instance, here, everytime Kurdish resistance in the East escalates, we have a rise in the nationalist votes, because most people's emotional reaction is not "how can this go on like this, we must come up with a reasonable middle ground." It's rather something like "oh yeah? well, bring it on mf!" Of course, there is also the religion factor which, as usual, cancels out the sanity, the zones they expand to are God's "promised land" to them. So, as long as religion is state policy, peace is quite hard to achieve.
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Salamandre
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posted June 29, 2017 12:04 PM

JollyJoker said:
And "legal" and "illegal" don't mean crap without a "court" with the authority to ENFORCE what is deemed legal. Obviously the UN is NOT it, and not only with regard to the Arab-Israeli conflict and all problems stemming from that.


If UN has no authority on this matter, then the creation of Israel itself has no legal background. Your pick.
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bloodsucker
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posted June 29, 2017 12:17 PM

Thx Artu, you nailed it.
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posted June 29, 2017 01:27 PM

Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
And "legal" and "illegal" don't mean crap without a "court" with the authority to ENFORCE what is deemed legal. Obviously the UN is NOT it, and not only with regard to the Arab-Israeli conflict and all problems stemming from that.


If UN has no authority on this matter, then the creation of Israel itself has no legal background. Your pick.


This.

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JollyJoker
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posted June 29, 2017 02:09 PM

The creation of Israel has no "legal" background.

Initially, the area was under British administration, and they divided it into Palestine and Transjordan. Jewish immigration into the area had been going on for a long time before WW2. The UN, resolution 181, suggested to create an independet Arab state, an independent Jewish State and the City of Jerusalem. This after a time of struggle between the armed Jew organizations and the Brits (which were virtually at war, because the Brits tried to control the Jewish influx into the area).
The Jews accepted the plan, the Arabs did not.
This resulted in a civil war and economical breakdown, started by the Arabs.
Shortly after that the Jewish simply declared the foundation of the new state of Isreal, without actually naming borders.

It was a fait accompli, and after that there was one year of war, after which the UN accepted the fait accompli by majority vote.

If there was a ceasefire with ISIS today, and the UN would accept the new ISIS state as a member, it would be EXACTLY as "legal" as is Israel.

Bottom line is, the Jews FOUGHT for their state and were SUCCESSFUL, they could keep to it, and when there was a ceasefire, a MAJORITY (not all) members of the UN accepted the fact.

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antipaladin
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posted June 29, 2017 03:31 PM
Edited by antipaladin at 15:32, 29 Jun 2017.

Is Germany usa and france are legal? Tell me sal, is your town was always under franch flag?
also joker,  +1
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artu
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posted June 29, 2017 04:09 PM

Appealing to long gone historical borders doesn't make much sense actually, you can justify any offensive foreign policy that way. Conquest is not seen as it was seen 200 or even 100 years ago, modern politics work differently.
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antipaladin
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posted June 29, 2017 04:31 PM

The difference is, artu, that each country is shraoded with blood, and israel is not different, it will do whatever takes to protect it citezns. Just like you will do whatever is necessary to protect your children. You're a bad parent if you wouldn't .
One of the main reasons for colonisation of areas that are contested,  is demographics.  Arabs is a minority that is free in Israel,  byt if they became a majority,  then the jws will be genocided, In their own country!  Which they elevated!
Said arab citizens pay no taxes, recive equal rights and wages and overall live better then some jews.
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posted June 29, 2017 04:39 PM

Anti, no clue why you want me to argue over your defense patterns. Actually I think EVERY country should defend as Israel does, and even harsher. I would deport or imprison the whole families of terrorists apologists, to give an example. What I don't support is illegal colonizing under the excuse of terrorism, because THIS is what creates terrorism in first place. Those people fights are legitimate in that case, and here your defense and acts look inappropriate.

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antipaladin
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posted June 29, 2017 04:52 PM

Because,  if hammas, Lebanon aren't bound to un resolution israel shouldn't be either
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