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posted October 06, 2020 04:24 PM



one sculpt of the new giants reminded me of this miniature for the Ogres, 8th edition Fantasy.
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posted October 06, 2020 04:31 PM

Yeah, it just being giant people at the moment is making me rather... unimpressed with the giants book. Especially since the newest things kinda all have parallels to Ogre models just being upscaled... >_>

Here's hoping for newer models, and something other than Attack on Titan half-naked baby-monsters in the faction. Because just giants will be... rather mechanically and visually rather boring.
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posted October 08, 2020 09:56 AM
Edited by blob2 at 10:25, 08 Oct 2020.

Gnomes2169 said:
Here's hoping for newer models, and something other than Attack on Titan half-naked baby-monsters in the faction. Because just giants will be... rather mechanically and visually rather boring.


When I was first reading about the faction I hoped it will be some kind of "heaven" faction for the plethora of creatures that roam the Mortal Realms (there are quite a lot of models that could find home in such a faction). But Behemat is this "founding titan dude" (he literally barfed them out)... so turns out "Monsters" actually refers to Gargants which is a shame. Even if there are more models of giants to come, I highly doubt this is sufficient to fill out an entire book and make it interesting for me.

I think GW either switched their focus to W40k or WF, because there isn't much released in terms of AoS recently. After the Necroquake there's actually not much going on terms of events (and the thing itself has been around for 2 years already). Aside from the factions dealing with its after-effects I believe Morathi is up to something but that's it.

But you guys are probably not that interested in AoS lore though...

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posted October 08, 2020 03:47 PM

Well, Slaanesh's followers have picked up the hunt for their god in earnest, and Hysh has returned to the fight, but... yeah. The fluff for AoS has not progressed meaningfully in any other way. It's a bit disappointing, given how much it was being developed and grown before, even if it was all about power-creeping the undead as much as possible.
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posted October 09, 2020 10:41 AM
Edited by blob2 at 10:48, 09 Oct 2020.

I've recently watched some guy talking about how End-Times was good for Warhammer Fantasy. Aside from the fact that it was not ok for people who invested a lot of money into it (despite how not many of them were left probably tbh).

I can't say for certain because "I wasn't there" but here's my take: At first I kinda read through Total War Warhammer forums where people were complaining how GW butchered the setting. I was pretty pissed myself.

Well, you cannot negate the fact that Fantasy had a pretty deep and well-established lore, with a traditional dark fantasy setting (but made pretty well). I didn't read any books, my knowledge comes from CA games and a few wiki records, plus some articles here and there. In short: I like it. But then came the End-Times which people said was half-as*ed and written poorly. Now, maybe I need to dig into it more, but from what I see the main problem was that some beloved characters were killed-off in "undignified/unbecoming" ways or sidelined entirely. As someone who likes Lizardman faction I can actually relate. On the other hand we are talking about end of something, and not a happy one. And because war is hell, even the greatest and stoutest warrior might die off indistinctively (literally so many great historical figures died due to some disease or random wound). What I'm trying to tell is that it seems people are snowing about the fact that they had a different vision about how the story should unravel. While it was meant to be depressing and unfulfilling, it was not a heroic end but a brazen one. But if that's not the case then prove me wrong. Maybe I'm missing something here...

When people criticize the lore of Age of Sigmar, they state many reasons for it. I can concur that it's not as deep as its predecessor, seems a lot more black and white then gray, and it looks to be more tailored for a younger playerbase. But I think the biggest reason is that they're still salty after what happened to fantasy. But when I read the lore, and knowing WF, I treat them as kinda seperate things (even though we all know well a lot of stuff basically is shared between them). AoS is more like this half-myth, whimsical version of the setting, but when you read through the descriptions of Realms you can actually use your imagination a lot more. It feels to me like Planes in Magic the Gathering: the core is well established, but there is a lot of potential for expansion, especially in the Age of Myth part. When I see things like Chamon I see Mirrodin (probably my fav plane in MtG). Ghur is like Tarkir etc. My point is that I actually enjoy it a lot more then I thought I would.

And ofc there's the marketing side. The guy in the video I mentioned describes pretty well how hard it was for someone (a kid with pocket money) to get into the hobby back in the day. Not only the minifigures but he needed so much other supplement stuff which was out of his budget. Yep, it is still expensive, but the entry level is so much lower: fairly prized starter sets with ready-made armies, free rulebooks available in the net, a lot of ways to enjoy the hobby etc. GW took a huge step, and AoS made this possible. Thanks to things like AoS and more open brand policy (looking at CA games), we can now even get back to WF, which, let's face it, needed a shake up.

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posted October 10, 2020 11:48 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:48, 10 Oct 2020.

So the Sons of Behemat Battletome is out, reviews are in and while the book looks pretty good, unfortunately those 3 new Mega-Gargant models and Aleguzzers which have been around for some time are the entirety of the army/faction... underwhelming.

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posted October 12, 2020 06:46 AM

That's... yeah, that's underwhelming. And disappointing. RIP the idea of bigger puppers and sneks. Some day, my pretties, some day GW will make disgustingly overprices and beautiful minis for you.
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posted October 12, 2020 10:18 AM

Gnomes2169 said:
That's... yeah, that's underwhelming. And disappointing. RIP the idea of bigger puppers and sneks. Some day, my pretties, some day GW will make disgustingly overprices and beautiful minis for you.


What are puppers and sneks? Puppets of Chaos and snakes?

Btw the Mega-Gargants have a price tag of 120 pounds

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posted October 12, 2020 10:29 AM

so, imperial knight price.

Given the content of the box is options for all three stooges, is alright. But the knight kits I assume are easier to magnetise.
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posted October 12, 2020 11:44 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:46, 12 Oct 2020.

Kipshasz said:
so, imperial knight price.

Given the content of the box is options for all three stooges, is alright. But the knight kits I assume are easier to magnetise.


It's even worse if you pay with zulu's. I don't know what kind of loan sharks exchange rate they use but 675 for a big deranged fat guy is too much. You can have an actual Indomitus box for this price or two AoS starter army sets, and actually be able to play the game...  

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posted October 12, 2020 03:12 PM

150 EU monopoly money in the GW online store.

Also pics of the sprues reveal that magnetisation for this model is indeed, a female dog.
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posted October 13, 2020 09:20 AM

I am... endlessly disappointed at the lack of content here. Sigh. At least these giants come with nice conversion material, but it's still just... just so much wasted design space. And is the conversion material actually worth the 195 USD (before tax) that they are asking for? That's... that's really questionable.

Guess I'm going back to just waiting for Warhammer Fantasy news, and also potentially the shadow elves/ demons that Malkerion is supposed to have surrounded himself with. Because those sound like they have real "cool" potential... For elves, at the very least.
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posted October 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Edited by blob2 at 10:26, 13 Oct 2020.

Gnomes2169 said:
I am... endlessly disappointed at the lack of content here. Sigh. At least these giants come with nice conversion material, but it's still just... just so much wasted design space. And is the conversion material actually worth the 195 USD (before tax) that they are asking for? That's... that's really questionable.


I don't know how it went before, because I only started to follow GW news only recently, and thus have no idea if they have separate and independent departments for AoS and W40k, but for their defense - there is really a lot going on in W40k recently so they were probably occupied with that...

And there is ofc the subject of Warhammer Fantasy - is GW able to maintain two big Fantasy settings in tandem, so that any one of them is not sidelined?

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posted October 13, 2020 03:16 PM

I can say pretty safely that GW's AoS and 40k departments are separate from one another. Their budget for developing new sprues might be the same, however, and there were a few new marine and necron minis that came out recently. But... that's about as generous as I'm willing to be for GW. They're a BIG company, and they definitely have the staff to run all of the projects that they are churning out there.
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posted October 13, 2020 03:19 PM

even such failures and massive flops as Dreadfleet.

Although the ships were nice in that one.


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posted October 13, 2020 03:29 PM

Dread Fleet had a bunch of fantastic minis, but it was developed at a time when they were a smaller company, and it was being handled by the already strained Fantasy department. It was also a side project like Necromunda before GW knew how to handle side projects like Necromunda.

... What I'm saying is, it failed for all of those reasons and because ship games are a niche of a niche in fantasy gaming, but I want it to come back because those ships are sweet.
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posted October 13, 2020 03:34 PM

GW was always large, they always, or at least the 2000s had the majority of the miniature wargaming market share. something like Warlord Games is smaller, despite all the games they offer, while GW has just three lines, not counting specialist games.

rumor has it the retards destroyed the remaining stock of Dreadfleet sets.


imagine the profits the proud citizens of Neckbeardia would give them from the Neetbux they get for those sets.
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posted October 13, 2020 03:48 PM
Edited by blob2 at 15:54, 13 Oct 2020.

Gnomes2169 said:
Dread Fleet had a bunch of fantastic minis, but it was developed at a time when they were a smaller company, and it was being handled by the already strained Fantasy department. It was also a side project like Necromunda before GW knew how to handle side projects like Necromunda.


I think it's easier to do in 2010s and 20s because board gaming took the market by storm in recent years. So things like Killteam, Necromunda or Beast Grave are thriving now. Or even Aeronautica which is basically World of Warplanes What I mean, it's easy to judge after all those years, but some decisions are dictated by the market, not by common sense. I think if they would smartly incorporate it, this kind of game would have a chance to be reactivated.

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rumor has it the retards destroyed the remaining stock of Dreadfleet sets.

imagine the profits the proud citizens of Neckbeardia would give them from the Neetbux they get for those sets.


Well, lets take Amazon who throws away millions of unsold products so GW is not all bad https://www.retaildetail.eu/en/news/general/amazon-destroys-millions-unsold-products

Neckbeardia will find its white ravens, don't you worry... GW has tons of VERY limited stuff like miniatures or Black Library special edition books.

EDIT: Btw guys did you see that: https://mcfarlane.com/toys/space-marine-primaris-intercessor-ap/. Bandai Namco stuff is limited and expensive, but McFarlane actually makes decent action figures. And this is a cool idea that you can either buy an Ultrmarine variant, or a colorless one that you can custom-paint.

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posted October 13, 2020 03:54 PM

True, Gee Dubz was always big in war gaming... but war gaming wasn't as big back in the day, and fantasy in particular was struggling more than their other properties. Which is probably why the glorious ship minis thing ended up getting squatted.

And lord, if they destroyed those minis? Those fools. Those unmitigated fools. They needed to have a throwback cycle for Dreadfleet in order to capitalize on the pirates DLC in TW:WH 2, but they didn't do that either!
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posted October 13, 2020 03:57 PM

Gnomes2169 said:
And lord, if they destroyed those minis? Those fools. Those unmitigated fools. They needed to have a throwback cycle for Dreadfleet in order to capitalize on the pirates DLC in TW:WH 2, but they didn't do that either!


Lol, actually does Warhammer universe have something on ships? I mean, it is pretty logical, and TW: W uses a lot of models in their games (probably custom made), but aside from Black Arc, some scenery pieces and giant walking ships, there isn't that much to go around I think?

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