Heroes of Might and Magic Community
visiting hero! Register | Today's Posts | Games | Search! | FAQ/Rules | AvatarList | MemberList | Profile


Age of Heroes Headlines:  
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
6 Aug 2016: Troubled Heroes VII Expansion Release - read more
26 Apr 2016: Heroes VII XPack - Trial by Fire - Coming out in June! - read more
17 Apr 2016: Global Alternative Creatures MOD for H7 after 1.8 Patch! - read more
7 Mar 2016: Romero launches a Piano Sonata Album Kickstarter! - read more
19 Feb 2016: Heroes 5.5 RC6, Heroes VII patch 1.7 are out! - read more
13 Jan 2016: Horn of the Abyss 1.4 Available for Download! - read more
17 Dec 2015: Heroes 5.5 update, 1.6 out for H7 - read more
23 Nov 2015: H7 1.4 & 1.5 patches Released - read more
31 Oct 2015: First H7 patches are out, End of DoC development - read more
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
[X] Remove Ads
LOGIN:     Username:     Password:         [ Register ]
New Server | HOMM1: info forum | HOMM2: info forum | HOMM3: info forum | HOMM4: info forum | HOMM5: info forum | MMH6: wiki forum | MMH7: wiki forum
Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Disrupting Ray
Thread: Disrupting Ray This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · NEXT»
phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted March 29, 2018 12:26 AM

Disrupting Ray

What do you think of this spell?

I personally don't use it much.
I know the strategy with blinding an enemy and spamming Disrupting Ray to take it's defense down to 0, then hit with a deadly blow to prevent the hero from escaping. But this takes time and mana and could perhaps be done faster and cheaper with Implosion, Meteor Shower, Lightning Bolt, Frenzy etc.

There is also the Elementalist, Aenain adding +2 to Disrupting Ray, pretty useless special is'nt it?

It would probably be overpowered as a mass spell, but what if it had area effect like Fireball or Inferno, would that be okay?, or perhaps it's already good as it is?

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted March 29, 2018 01:20 AM

phoenix4ever said:
But this takes time and mana and could perhaps be done faster and cheaper with Implosion, Meteor Shower, Lightning Bolt, Frenzy etc.


Bah man, what maps do you play...? First, it is a single player spell, secondly it is used only when you need to destroy a stack like 10000 behemoths and you have 4000 archangels to hit with - thus you need the less retaliation possible, otherwise you will spend 100 hours to resurrect back, good luck with having better result with implosion or other damage spell. Moreover, it is most of the time combined with blind.
____________
Era II mods and utilities

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
SCOURGE OF THE H-SEA
posted March 29, 2018 01:24 AM

Salamandre said:
it is used only when you need to destroy a stack like 10000 behemoths and you have 4000 archangels to hit with - thus you need the less retaliation possible, otherwise you will spend 100 hours to resurrect back, good luck with having better result with implosion or other damage spell. Moreover, it is most of the time combined with blind.


and suddenly i'm interested in disrupting ray...

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted March 29, 2018 01:28 AM

I find Disrupting Ray essential for good singleplayer maps.
____________
"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted March 29, 2018 01:28 AM

Also I forgot, is used when you have a big shooter stack only but no ammo cart, thus your shoots are numbered. Make sure you kill the more, so you need to lower defense. But again, is about very big stacks only.
____________
Era II mods and utilities

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
SCOURGE OF THE H-SEA
posted March 29, 2018 01:57 AM

not sure i understand, sal. why would you not use it if you have a shooter in your army, without an ammo cart? i thought ammo carts gave unlimited ammo.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
avatar
avatar


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted March 29, 2018 07:13 AM

When you have unlimited shots you can always kill enemy stack using slow for example - it's cheaper.
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted March 29, 2018 08:58 AM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 08:59, 29 Mar 2018.

Salamandre said:
Bah man, what maps do you play...? First, it is a single player spell, secondly it is used only when you need to destroy a stack like 10000 behemoths and you have 4000 archangels to hit with - thus you need the less retaliation possible, otherwise you will spend 100 hours to resurrect back, good luck with having better result with implosion or other damage spell. Moreover, it is most of the time combined with blind.

Well I for sure don't play maps where you have 4000 Archangels or face 10000 Behemoths. But if you play maps with such crazy numbers, perhaps Disrupting Ray might even be good.
In a normal map I don't see more than 25-50 level 7's.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted March 29, 2018 10:34 AM

There are maps that are man made single player maps with high numbers. Not everyone plays random maps
____________
"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted March 29, 2018 11:26 AM

Those maps with "crazy numbers" are a different kind of game, though. The map designers designed the game itself to be basically something else from the "vanilla" game that the developers released.
____________
The last Reasonable Steward of Good Game Design and a Responsible Hero of HC. - Verriker

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
SCOURGE OF THE H-SEA
posted March 29, 2018 11:32 AM

i don't know, it's always been relatively easy to get crazy numbers as a necromancer...

gotta love the undead.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted March 29, 2018 11:39 AM

The vanilla version died in 2003 or so, and for ever, you won't see a single map made in that initial spirit and who reached some consensual status through the community.

From there you have both crazy attempts to make it more interesting,  in single player with epic maps - who get the largest audience, then in multiplayer with a zillion of dumb rules to restrict the game from being really fun.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted March 29, 2018 12:42 PM

I guess that just proves again how many different ways there are to experience this amazing game.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Zmudziak22
Zmudziak22


Famous Hero
posted March 29, 2018 12:55 PM

Well better is using blind and frenzy. Expert Frenzy is 1 round spell but on expert fire magic it convert 200% defense skill points to attack skill.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted March 29, 2018 01:59 PM

Not if your hero has already maxed stats, where frenzy will have zero effect.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Rince
Rince

Tavern Dweller
posted March 29, 2018 05:03 PM

Salamandre said:
Not if your hero has already maxed stats, where frenzy will have zero effect.

Likely, you're wrong here as creature's stats can't be maxed. However the Attack-Defense difference is capped at 400% and after that neither frenzy nor disruption ray will cause any effect.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted March 29, 2018 05:27 PM

Attack is capped, this is what I meant. Once you reached a certain attack, adding 200% or 1000% will do no extra damage at all.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
OhforfSake
OhforfSake


Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
posted March 29, 2018 05:51 PM

Disrupting ray is a permanent effect, Frenzy isn't.

I haven't done the math, but I feel confident that mana wise it's cheaper to use disrupting ray, given your opponent can't do anything relevant against you anyway.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
batoonike
batoonike


Known Hero
posted April 22, 2018 07:30 PM
Edited by batoonike at 19:31, 22 Apr 2018.

The ray is amazing, Imagine a scenario where enemy hero defense is 30 points higher than your attack. With blind you can go from barely scratching them to insta kill easily. Also it's simple to use and guaranteed to work.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
markmasters
markmasters


Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
posted April 23, 2018 03:30 PM

I think the HOTA campaign proves how useful this skill can be, I cleared most of the maps using a bunch of pirates and sorceresses split over 6 stacks for quickly disrupting the enemy defence skills.

Shows how useful the spell can be over a longer battle.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Jump To: « Prev Thread . . . Next Thread » This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · NEXT»
Post New Poll    Post New Topic    Post New Reply

Page compiled in 0.0377 seconds