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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Speed upgrade for slowest units?
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heymlich
heymlich


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posted June 18, 2019 11:33 PM

phoenix4ever said:
In Heroes 3 there are 5 units (Peasants, Dwarves, Walking Dead, Stone Golems and Dendroid Guards) with speed 3,



Make peasants speed 1, the rest is fine as is.

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phoenix4ever
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posted June 19, 2019 04:58 PM

Peasants speed 1, are'nt they bad enough already?!

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Oddball13579
Oddball13579


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posted June 19, 2019 07:46 PM

phoenix4ever said:
Peasants speed 1, are'nt they bad enough already?!
I think that's the point
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phoenix4ever
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posted June 19, 2019 08:35 PM

Well I went in the opposite direction, in my game and made them much better. Also already gave them speed 4.

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Oddball13579
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posted June 19, 2019 09:17 PM

I don't understand why you would go through the trouble of doing such a thing.
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phoenix4ever
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posted June 19, 2019 09:57 PM

Not much trouble really and I don't understand why make them even worse.

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fred79
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posted June 19, 2019 10:10 PM

Why not replace them with any of the literally hundreds of units out there that could actually serve a purpose besides one-hit fodder?

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CountBezuhoff
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posted June 19, 2019 10:28 PM

Look down on them all you want, but in the end no azure dragon can be bought without peasant gold.

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Oddball13579
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posted June 19, 2019 10:30 PM

CountBezuhoff said:
Look down on them all you want, but in the end no azure dragon can be bought without peasant gold.

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My gold comes from the purest of sources. I would never dare allow the peasantry soil it with their grubby fingers. And any how do are executed immediately.  
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CountBezuhoff
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posted June 19, 2019 10:41 PM
Edited by CountBezuhoff at 23:02, 19 Jun 2019.

So you'd rather pick up change from the side of the road? Remember, peasants have monopoly on the guillotine business as well. No matter how many you chop up, they'll always be the ones to laugh in the end.

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phoenix4ever
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posted June 19, 2019 11:00 PM

fred79 said:
Why not replace them with any of the literally hundreds of units out there that could actually serve a purpose besides one-hit fodder?

I would prefer that, peasants still feel pretty useless, but so does most neutral creatures tbh. (With the exception of Enchanters, Sharpshooters and Gold and Diamond Golems in certain cases and then of course the expensive dragons.)

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Oddball13579
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posted June 19, 2019 11:03 PM

Expensive dragons that are only seen on select maps and are so rare they might as well not even exist.
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ausmon
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posted July 01, 2019 01:29 PM
Edited by ausmon at 13:34, 01 Jul 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
I think speed is one of the most important aspects of the game. It has 3 effects, movement range on map, movement range in combat AND initiative, so that is basically 3 stats in 1. That's why I think speed is VERY important and also why Haste/Slow and to a smaller degree Prayer is so important.


New here and don't want to intrude but had to comment on this (though I've only played against the AI).

You're 100% correct and its why castle is my favorite. The Angels give you the initiative and with a magic based character like Loynis with max water/prayer you can destroy any chance of your opponent winning before the fights done a turn.
Personally for me prayer is more important then Haste but slow is also crucial as it can easily break up the opponents formation with a couple of fast units isolated from the heavy hitters which have lagged behind especially against the devils, fortress.... actually all of them.

Your marksmen are the bait and whether it be dragons, devils or any of the super fast creatures once they have pushed ahead a mass slow allows you to isolate their strongest creature and almost have a 7 vs 1 enabling you to remove the most problematic creature. Once done you resurrect the lost Marksmen and they're back in the game to decimate the creatures that are still potentially 2 turns away.

Absolutely nothing is more important then map movement speed. A character with two movement gloves, speed boots and dimension door can be a force of nature in the game and if you have town portal its absolutely unstoppable. You take towns to weaken the opponent against his own troops while using them as staging posts to expand and collect resources. If you are moving only 30% further its the same as having a free extra turn every three turns, almost all returns like gold and resources collected also multiply and these returns grow exponentially as the game continues.

I cannot think of anything within the game more important then speed.

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Maurice
Maurice

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posted July 01, 2019 02:24 PM

ausmon said:
A character with two movement gloves, speed boots and dimension door ...


Stacking identical Artifacts doesn't work; the game only considers one of them. This affects all Artifacts which can be equipped more than once on a single Hero.
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phoenix4ever
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posted July 01, 2019 02:58 PM

Except 2 Quiet Eye of the Dragon, they actually work.

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monere
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posted July 01, 2019 03:15 PM
Edited by monere at 15:17, 01 Jul 2019.

ausmon said:
I cannot think of anything within the game more important then speed.

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fred79
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posted July 01, 2019 03:29 PM

Maurice said:
ausmon said:
A character with two movement gloves, speed boots and dimension door ...


Stacking identical Artifacts doesn't work; the game only considers one of them. This affects all Artifacts which can be equipped more than once on a single Hero.


I'm not so sure. My heroes seemed to move a heck of a lot further when they had two equestrian's gloves paired with the boots of speed.

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Maurice
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posted July 01, 2019 04:28 PM

fred79 said:
I'm not so sure. My heroes seemed to move a heck of a lot further when they had two equestrian's gloves paired with the boots of speed.


With the HD Mod it's easy to check, I guess, since the HD Mod shows the total number of movement points a Hero has. But I admit that I don't know what the HD Mod affects, could very well also be that it ignores duplicate Artifacts on a Hero .

Ok, best test would be to quickly create a test scenario, empty field with three Heroes. One with two Gloves, one with just one and one without any Gloves. Then start up the game (without any mods active) and let each of them move into a straight line. If two Gloves stack, that Hero is able to move further than the other two.
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CountBezuhoff
CountBezuhoff


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posted July 01, 2019 04:56 PM

>Imagine stuffing your hands in two tight pairs of leather gloves.

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Maurice
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posted July 01, 2019 07:11 PM

I've made a testmap, RoE only, no mods of any kind. A Hero with two pairs of Gloves (no Secondary Skills, only 1 Pikeman) moves exactly as far as a Hero with the same configuration with just one pair of Gloves. The base game therefore already doesn't consider duplicates, aside from the Rings mentioned by Phoenix.
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