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phoenix4ever
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posted November 23, 2019 09:42 AM |
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Poll Question:
Do you pick Resistance skill as Rampart?
I am not talking about HotA's new version of Resistance btw, I am talking about the original Resistance skill.
As I see it Rampart is faced with a choice, because of Gold Dragons. Do you you go for Resistance to protect your units and especially Gold Dragons from Implosion or do you ignore the skill and instead hope to get Orb of Vulnerability, so you can resurrect your Gold Dragons?
I guess the 3rd option would be to not go for Resistance or Orb of Vulnerability.
Bonus question: Do you pick Resistance as any other factions?
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monere
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posted November 23, 2019 10:18 AM |
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I think you should have scraped the "with Rampart" part, because I don't pick resistance based on the faction I play.
But I need to say - once again - that I only play WoG and only against the AI, and most of the time against the AI you only need a few skills to butcher it, so that resistance and all other less important skills are optional, not necessary.
This being said, I do pick resistance, but like I said, mostly because it's fun to see that shield pop up whenever you block a spell. Besides, WoG allows you to pick 20 skills, and resistance is more valuable than scholar for example, or eagle eye, or navigation (since I never play water-y maps).
Anyway, long story shot, I voted "I pick resistance sometimes", but like I said, I do it for the fun of it, not out of necessity.
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 23, 2019 11:40 AM |
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monere said:
I think you should have scraped the "with Rampart" part, because I don't pick resistance based on the faction I play.
No because I was mostly curious about what people do in regards to Gold Dragons.
Besides factions are different, Necropolis is already 100% immune to mind spells, Conflux takes DOUBLE damage from certain spells and Stronghold has no Resistance at all, making them very vulnerable to Berserk for example. Therefore Resistance might be more important for some factions, than for others.
Of course I would like to hear if people pick Resistance for other factions too.
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Doomforge
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posted November 23, 2019 12:03 PM |
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hota/no hota?
no hota - nope
hota - never tested this:
I always wondered if a high level Thorgrim with res arties would drop the SP of the opponent to 1. Question is - is it rounded UP, or DOWN? they never explained that stuff.
If it's rounded DOWN, it may be downright brutal - 1 SP is completely crippling. Your blind will do pretty much nothing, your slow is barely worth casting... etc.
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Zaio-Baio
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posted November 23, 2019 12:06 PM |
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Guys, resistance is rarely picked in competitive. The reason is that it works only in final fight. Skills like earth magic, air magic, wisdom, offense, tactics, logistics and so on are useful throughout the whole game, while resistance is not. This is the reason why resistance is not very popular both in complete edition and hota.
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 23, 2019 12:13 PM |
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Let us not always talk about competitive multiplayer and how "The Pros" play the game. The question was how do YOU play the game. Honestly I don't give a $hit about competitive players.
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Doomforge
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posted November 23, 2019 12:18 PM |
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They play the game in an optimal way. To reverse your statement, why would you care about the opinions of randos? Will "I pick Eagle Eye every time" bring something to improve your playstyle? 
A lot of those JC players will heavily focus on elementals in the "final fights" actually. crippling their SP completely is EZ win, totally worth it.
But I guess you'd need Thorgrim for that. Never tried it myself.
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 23, 2019 12:21 PM |
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Doomforge said:
They play the game in an optimal way.
They play the game in a different way, a very boring way if you ask me.
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Doomforge
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posted November 23, 2019 01:38 PM |
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Boring as opposed to what, picking Eagle Eye?
What's boring is the creature bank meta, not the actual optimization of your gameplay 
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Elvin
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posted November 23, 2019 02:08 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:21, 23 Nov 2019.
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phoenix4ever said:
They play the game in a different way, a very optimal way if you ask me.
Fixed.
Any tactics/strategy question regarding a heroes game should specify whether you're looking for efficient or fun. The former does not differentiate between pro or casual, if it works, it speaks for itself. The latter is.. arbitrary
And for the record, no I don't. Have had some amazing times with it when younger though!
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monere
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posted November 23, 2019 05:00 PM |
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Elvin said:
Have had some amazing times with it when younger though!
like for example?
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Elvin
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posted November 23, 2019 05:16 PM |
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Any resisted implosion, chain or meteor is cause for celebration Here is a funny story. Taking a risk I cast implosion on some faerie dragons, they bounce the spell right back, my sharpshooters RESIST! Whew.
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bloodsucker
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posted November 23, 2019 06:43 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
Let us not always talk about competitive multiplayer and how "The Pros" play the game.
Specially cause he is wrong. Resistance is not a first choice but "The Pros" pick it often even more in HotA and in opposition to the reason he gives, they pick it because they develop an hero exclusively thinking on the final fight.
For instance, I tired to convince Gomunguls Water is worth picking with knights and rangers, cause it's useful to fight neutrals and if you keep refusing it you may end up with nothing and he said he wouldn't pick a skill that is useless in the final fight, no matter how good it is against the map...
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monere
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posted November 23, 2019 06:49 PM |
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Elvin said:
Any resisted implosion, chain or meteor is cause for celebration Here is a funny story. Taking a risk I cast implosion on some faerie dragons, they bounce the spell right back, my sharpshooters RESIST! Whew.
lol, that was funny indeed. And welcomed
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 23, 2019 07:16 PM |
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Guys if you take the time to comment here, could'nt you please vote as well.
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bloodsucker
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posted November 23, 2019 09:43 PM |
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You forgot the option: I never play as Rampart...
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Doomforge
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posted November 23, 2019 10:42 PM |
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So, does anybody know how it exactly works in Hota? rounded up, or down? can't google any info... 
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Doomforge
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posted November 23, 2019 10:50 PM |
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well, HotA changed it to a spellpower penalty OFFS. But the percentage is higher.
A lvl 20 Thorgrim would have -60% to enemy SP.
There's plenty of artifacts around, if you get one or two, you may come close to very high percentage.=
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Galaad
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posted November 24, 2019 09:46 AM |
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Went with second option. "Always" and/or "never" are not part of my playstyle for this game.
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Hourglass
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posted November 24, 2019 09:49 PM |
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I don't really get the question. Phoenix, I did the math 2 years ago, and proofed you that the new resistance in Hota better for the Gold Dragons than the old one.
I neved understood why you're in such worry about the Gold Dragons and their "weakness" to Implosion. Yeah, the only effective spell against them sure is Implosion, but they're as fragile to the spell as every other lvl 7 creauture in the game - excluding Black Dragons of course. But even that would not be complitely true as a single Implosion would kill more Archdevils, Phoenixs and Ghost Dragons. Hyrdas share the same HP amount as Gold Dragons.
Then there's the fact that Rampart has the most "magic hate" in this game - you could just put your goldies next to the Unicorns, and they would have an aura of Magic resistance. Pegasi has the ability to force your opponent to pay more for their spells, which would most definetly mean something, if we're talking aboat a case of spamming a lvl 5 spell. Also, I think you're comparing Black and Gold Dragons too much, immunity for lvl 1-4 spell is a HUGE thing, as it means not a single debuff will work against you and you're immune against every AOE spell in this game. Implosion is also a very rare spell, usually people are relying to their trusty lighting bolt, which you're also immune against. Yeah, it's a shame they cannot be resurected, but then again, so cannot be Black dragons.
Finally, you're likely to have the first move with your Goldies, as they're the 4th fastest "normal" unit in the game. And that can easily be matter of winning or losing the battle - with an ability to act first, your opponent will be in a severe disadvantage when we're talking about spellcasting.
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