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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Lore questions
Thread: Lore questions
Lord_Immortal
Lord_Immortal


Famous Hero
posted April 30, 2020 07:27 PM

Lore questions

Starting the H5 campaign all over again after this many years also after playing missions (though never finishing) from HoF, TotE and Heroes VI leaves me with many questions.

In H5 it is implied that Raleag brought the Soulscar clan in the service of the Demons. However in Shades of Darkness he is against Sylsai and the cooperation with the demons since the start. How did he became Kha-Beleth's right hand when he was against the demons from the start? If Raelag could use the heart of the Griffin then it means he was not a demon from the start (of H5). Yet (gameplay wise) he has all the powers of a Demon Lord and needs as well to be "cleansed" by Tieru. Also, what power did Agrael use to kill Nicolai and if such power exists in the Ashan universe, why no one else has used it so far?

And one more thing: if the Necromancers are not supposed to be "evil" in the Ashan universe, why did not "good" and powerful necromancers like Arantir intervene when Markal destroyed the Griffin Empire? Didn't Markal's move actually make Isabel vulnerable when she should have been as safe as possible from Kha-Beleth?

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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Undercover modder
posted April 30, 2020 07:31 PM

Because Ashan lore is a mess, especially after two teams (Nival and Blackhole Entertainment) ended up creating H5 and then H6 individually.
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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted May 01, 2020 07:43 AM

It's called making sheet up as you go along.
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Rimgrabber
Rimgrabber


Famous Hero
It's a fixer-upper
posted May 01, 2020 03:19 PM

Because they made a silly decision to tell the last parts of the story first so when they changed and reconned a bunch of stuff it all stopped making sense. I've been trying to write a novelization of the Ashan universe, cleaning it up and making it a bit less cliche in the process, but I'm working on 2 other projects now so chances are its gonna be a while before I make any progress. I'd like to be able to talk with Julien Pirou about what the plans for tying all these things together were because it sounds like based on some interviews I've seen he had a lot of interesting ideas. Ideally, the whole thing could end with Ashan turning out to just be another one of the Ancients' planets and the "dragons" were just powerful elementals that decided it would be fun to play god. I don't know. I'm nostalgic about the characters in Heroes 5 because I grew up playing that game and was always very frustrated with Ubi for the direction they took Ashan in. I've also always felt stuck between the two universes because while I can clearly see JVC's universe is much more coherent and interesting I still have quite an affection for Ashan.
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted May 01, 2020 03:22 PM

I could see the thing about dragons which actually were elementals happen; after all, the elementals were somewhat jerks in the original universe.
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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted May 01, 2020 04:09 PM

That would never work under Erwan though. He would never agree to his vision being stained by original might&magic impurity!
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted May 01, 2020 04:12 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 16:12, 01 May 2020.

Elvin said:
That would never work under Erwan though. He would never agree to his vision being stained by original might&magic impurity!


He defies TRUTH?!
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Rimgrabber
Rimgrabber


Famous Hero
It's a fixer-upper
posted May 02, 2020 03:21 AM

Down with Erwin the false spider messiah! All hail Marzhin!
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Strigo
Strigo


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posted May 02, 2020 01:13 PM

Rimgrabber said:
All hail Marzhin!

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Rimgrabber
Rimgrabber


Famous Hero
It's a fixer-upper
posted May 03, 2020 02:41 AM

alright fair enough
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zmudziak22
zmudziak22


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Heroes 3 Fan
posted May 03, 2020 01:01 PM

If you played Shades of Darkness, indeed Raelag was against being Demon allies.

Final Cutscenes in Dungeon Campaign explain, that Kha-Beleth will try to change destiny of Raelag to suit Demon Sovereign plans, and he managed that. In Heroes 7, Trial of Fire expansion Raelag was converted to Agrael.

In Tribes of the East map, Agrael Trial, we can noticed that matriachs recognize Agrael as Raelag. Atleast we dont see, that Kha-Beleth didnt brain wash Raelag, like Markal did with Nicolai Griffin.


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pati998
pati998

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posted October 18, 2020 04:01 PM


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Rimgrabber
Rimgrabber


Famous Hero
It's a fixer-upper
posted October 19, 2020 01:24 AM

I don't think Markal brainwashed Nikolai... I think his soul was just corrupted by the ritual he used to resurrect him.

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zmudziak22
zmudziak22


Supreme Hero
Heroes 3 Fan
posted October 23, 2020 12:32 AM

I think you are right, since Markal spell, made Nicolai as Vampire, just like Gryphonheart became Lich after Vilmar ressurected him in Heroes 3.
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