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veteran_player
veteran_player


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posted November 12, 2020 06:48 PM

The CCP is Exploiting us!!

They just silenced a few extra H.K. dissidents! Everyone is watching the election developments; but being a naturalized citizen; I am not overjoyed with the turns of events!!!

Biden did win the election, but his path to politics can be a long-term gain to the rest of us -- at best!

The CCP has gone by... unnoticed... It is more dangerous than the ominous Russian threat; And far more insidious!

Jackie Chan is still out there... But yellow politics are about more than just Kung-Fu!

Both good and bad come to us over the years; and we grow stronger for it; But the gains grow slimmer if sly, yellow, foreign martial artists are standing by...

I urge you to abandon your political differences; And keep your standings... in Lyfe!!

All that being said and done... We live better than the nineteenth century; the Time when Abraham Lincoln was president; Let's keep moving forward!!

The CCP is right behind us...
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FirePaladin
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posted November 12, 2020 06:53 PM

Sir, let me pat your shoulder in a friendly manner.... what?! This is considered sexual assault!? Crap!
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fred79
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posted November 12, 2020 07:06 PM

well, that was an ugly op. yellow? really?

also, we won't know who our prez is until dec 9th. then things'll REALLY get ugly. much moreso than the op.

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veteran_player
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posted November 12, 2020 07:13 PM

Let me clarify...

I am not directing this at Asians in general; Just the Chinese!

I am actually Happy! that Kamala Harris is going to be VP! She is a step in the right direction!


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FirePaladin
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posted November 12, 2020 07:15 PM


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Blizzardboy
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posted November 12, 2020 07:18 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 19:20, 12 Nov 2020.

Yeah Hong Kong is really going down the toilet fast. I expect a big population dip in the future until they ship in a bunch of mainlanders to fill the vacant apartments. The students I've had there have said they're trying to move to Burnstralia.
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Kipshasz
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posted November 12, 2020 07:21 PM

You are aware of the fact that the supposed leader of HK protests, called "Long hair" is a hardcore commie himself?


Take a closer look at this gentleman's nice red shirt, or to be more precise the portrait of a nice beret flying gentleman on it. Allegedly he's the founder of something called "Marxist youth league" and has been arrested for flag burnings riotings and other stuff.
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fred79
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posted November 12, 2020 07:35 PM

the funny thing is, i had almost that exact same shirt while i was in the military over a decade ago. i wore it two times; once to a unit cookout, and once while in spain. got my picture taken shaking the hand of a guevara living statue lookalike, even.

but i had to grow up sometime.

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veteran_player
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posted November 12, 2020 08:24 PM

fred79 said:
the funny thing is, i had almost that exact same shirt while i was in the military over a decade ago. i wore it two times; once to a unit cookout, and once while in spain. got my picture taken shaking the hand of a guevara living statue lookalike, even.


I am actually more familiar with/closer associated with the Nikolai Ceausescu brand of communism... Mostly through my parents and grandparents. So the American flavor is more appealing to me! But over the years, I have lost touch with the Chinese flavor... Jackie Chan is no longer amusing to me! I find other things; And many other people! But the privileges of white people of the past remain bold in the spirits of some older yellow people as well! Like Chinese sovereignty! They are so adamant about it! And in all my 37 years of life, I haven't gained a thing from those people. Thank you for the opportunity to post here!!
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fred79
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posted November 12, 2020 08:47 PM

FINALLY! someone respects my authoritah!

*clears throat, composes self*

you're welcome.







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Rimgrabber
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posted November 13, 2020 12:55 AM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 00:56, 13 Nov 2020.

Kipshasz said:
You are aware of the fact that the supposed leader of HK protests, called "Long hair" is a hardcore commie himself?


Take a closer look at this gentleman's nice red shirt, or to be more precise the portrait of a nice beret flying gentleman on it. Allegedly he's the founder of something called "Marxist youth league" and has been arrested for flag burnings riotings and other stuff.


This actually doesn't surprise me at all. Since China makes kids read Marx, Lenin, and Mao in school there's actually a quite strong youth movement there against the current government which they see as a perversion of the Maoism that they want to return to. Ever since Deng, "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" has just been a much more Orwellian form of capitalism that has very little to do with socialism or communism.

If I remember correctly roughly 60% of their industry is privately owned. Citizens work in private companies for wages which they spend on rent to live in private housing and on products produced by private industry. To reiterate: modern China is capitalist, just not the neoliberal capitalism the West is used to.

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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted November 13, 2020 01:30 AM

Rimgrabber said:
Kipshasz said:
You are aware of the fact that the supposed leader of HK protests, called "Long hair" is a hardcore commie himself?


Take a closer look at this gentleman's nice red shirt, or to be more precise the portrait of a nice beret flying gentleman on it. Allegedly he's the founder of something called "Marxist youth league" and has been arrested for flag burnings riotings and other stuff.


This actually doesn't surprise me at all. Since China makes kids read Marx, Lenin, and Mao in school there's actually a quite strong youth movement there against the current government which they see as a perversion of the Maoism that they want to return to. Ever since Deng, "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" has just been a much more Orwellian form of capitalism that has very little to do with socialism or communism.

If I remember correctly roughly 60% of their industry is privately owned. Citizens work in private companies for wages which they spend on rent to live in private housing and on products produced by private industry. To reiterate: modern China is capitalist, just not the neoliberal capitalism the West is used to.

Ok, this is actually good. Somebody who knows what they’re talking about. This is like talking to Salamandre about classical music. But do tell me, how can communism overcome bureacracy.
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Rimgrabber
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posted November 13, 2020 02:10 AM

That's an excellent question and one I can't really give a good answer to since I haven't read any theory yet beyond wikipedia articles and what leftists I know in real life have told me, and I only know a little bit of history outside of the United States. That said, I'll still give my two cents based on what little I do know, keeping in mind that I just finished high school and haven't yet had the opportunity to study as in-depth as I would like to.


When I call myself a socialist, I'm not referring to the bureaucracy of the USSR nor am I referring to the Nordic capitalism that the left in America is obsessed with. What I mean, at least in the short term, is that I want democracy in the workplace, a strong welfare state, and a culture shift away from competition and exploitation towards one of cooperation and mutual aid. In my mind, this doesn't require much more bureaucracy than what is already commonplace in western society. It's a matter of strengthening unions and co-ops, heavy regulation on what kinds of decisions can be made top-down in private industry, and wealth redistribution via taxing billionaires and centimillionaires out of existence, using that money to fund things like universal healthcare, free higher education, universal basic income, publicly owned broadband, publicly financed elections, and universal housing. Also, I'd like for decision making in the government to be more bottom-up as well, with more direct democracy and direct ballot referendums. In public schools, more emphasis should be put on cooperation and teambuilding skills rather than competition.

Based on my limited knowledge of the nuances and specific differences between different leftist ideologies, I'd say short term my ideal system is a bit like market socialism, although I'd like to eventually go beyond that into a true stateless, classless society. My hope is that this market socialism could act as a catalyst for the natural and gradual transition into a more fair and equal society, and my hope for the long-term is that the global world order would follow a similar path, leading to the cooperation between nations on technological and cultural progress, and moving towards a more peaceful, democratic world.

While Cuba is much more authoritarian than I would like them to be, and is really not at all what I just described, I would point to them as an example of communism working in practice as well as it can in a world dominated by neoliberalism. It's hardly a paradise, but considering how the United States tries so hard to absolutely crush them with embargos and constantly tries to stage coups, their standard of living is quite high compared to countries in similar situations, and their progress in medical science has been nothing short of remarkable. They also are much freer and democratic than the west would have you believe, although as I said, that doesn't mean that they are a "free country," per se. Officially, their constitution has promised freedom of speech for decades, for example, although I'm unsure whether that's truly enforced. In fairness, it's really not enforced in the west either, for example with the yellow west movement and the George Floyd protests. It also promises habeas corpus and protection from discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

On the local level, they also have elections where anyone over the age of 16 can vote, and anyone is allowed to watch the votes be counted. Half of their officials are nominated directly by the people in in-person votes, rather than nominated by a political organization.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm gushing about Cuba, that it's an ideal system, or that there aren't human rights abuses there. It's not how I would run a country. But given the context of its global economic and political situation? It's an empirical fact that its prioritization of welfare over private industry has served it quite well and that the average Cuban's life is much better under communism than it has been under the rule of Spanish or American imperialists.


I suppose that doesn't really answer your question, but truthfully I don't have a good answer for you right now. I'm not gonna try to act like an expert because honestly, I know very little at this point. I'm still young and naive, and it's entirely possible everything I just said is wrong. I plan to study much further though, and hopefully, someday I'll have a much more satisfying answer.



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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted November 13, 2020 02:31 AM

Ok, if you’re not being sarcastic, if you really just finished highschool, my hat’s off to you. You’ll learn to simplify in time and you got it.
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Rimgrabber
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posted November 13, 2020 03:14 AM

Thank you, I appreciate it. I was not being sarcastic.

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Zenofex
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posted November 13, 2020 07:33 AM

Actually, since Xi Jinping came to power, the legacy of Deng Xiaoping is being revised and there are signs of long-terms plans for some sort of neo-Maoism which is not the same thing as today's Chinese version of socialism-capitalism hybrid but is also not exactly 1:1 with the original Maoism either. There's an ongoing struggle inside the state structures (not just the party) between the two models which is largely ignored by pop-media reports as people are usually willing to believe that the almighty Party in "communist" countries is a homogeneous ensemble of robots which all think the same and act the same (which wasn't true even in the Stalin-era CPSU). For example, some analyzers consider the purges in Wuhan earlier this year to be part of that internal battle.

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Baronus
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posted November 13, 2020 10:21 AM

Migration to US is now no option. Global satanists prepared the same sistem of captivity like in China. Invigilation pasports quality points!  They colaborate with peking pings for years! They gloryfied monsterious communism in this country. And they bring it to USA. Antifa BLM lgbt etc are all in fact maoists. So you are leaving communism in China just to fall into communism in the US?!
Horror!

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Rimgrabber
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Voice in Gelu's Head
posted November 13, 2020 10:57 AM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 11:00, 13 Nov 2020.

Zenofex said:
Actually, since Xi Jinping came to power, the legacy of Deng Xiaoping is being revised and there are signs of long-terms plans for some sort of neo-Maoism which is not the same thing as today's Chinese version of socialism-capitalism hybrid but is also not exactly 1:1 with the original Maoism either. There's an ongoing struggle inside the state structures (not just the party) between the two models which is largely ignored by pop-media reports as people are usually willing to believe that the almighty Party in "communist" countries is a homogeneous ensemble of robots which all think the same and act the same (which wasn't true even in the Stalin-era CPSU). For example, some analyzers consider the purges in Wuhan earlier this year to be part of that internal battle.


Well, it's like I said, I don't know that much about politics outside the US as I'm more focused on what I can do to fix my own country than I am criticizing governments that I have no influence over. I didn't mean to suggest that Chinese politics is a singular monolith, in fact, if I'm not mistaken there are at least 8 minor parties that are allowed to freely operate in "advisory roles" to the CCP. I just meant that in the present moment, the status quo of China is authoritarian capitalism and not communism.

I do remember reading a headline about how Xi Jinping announced a plan for a total state-takeover of their industry, although I didn't read the article. I try to avoid forming strong opinions on countries that are considered enemies of the west, simply because it's incredibly difficult to find information that isn't propaganda from either neocon warmongers or people who reflexively support anything the west opposes.

That said, I am highly skeptical of any highly transformative plans that have timelines stretching decades, such as "socialism by 2050" or "net-zero emissions by 2060" especially from highly authoritarian governments, simply because there's no real force holding them accountable.

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Blizzardboy
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posted November 16, 2020 06:40 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 18:50, 16 Nov 2020.

Rimgrabber said:
I don't want to make it seem like I'm gushing about Cuba, that it's an ideal system, or that there aren't human rights abuses there. It's not how I would run a country. But given the context of its global economic and political situation? It's an empirical fact that its prioritization of welfare over private industry has served it quite well and that the average Cuban's life is much better under communism than it has been under the rule of Spanish or American imperialists.



Historically, Cuba performed better than other countries in the region on life expectancy and infant mortality, before and after communism.

Praising Cuban healthcare is meaningless. Almost all developed democratic countries have universal coverage the same as communist Cuba, and Cuba's healthcare isn't that great.

The only "communist" countries that enjoy a significant level of prosperity are the ones that gave up on communism decades ago, i.e. Vietnam and China.

artu said:
This is like talking to Salamandre about classical music.


Lol!
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Rimgrabber
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posted November 16, 2020 07:34 PM

They've invented "vaccines"(in quotes because vaccines involve dormant diseases, and cancer isn't actually a disease in that sense) for lung cancer, which is what I was referring to when I mentioned remarkable advances.

Really though, my point was less "Cuba is so great!" and more that if they can do what they have with so few resources and their most important ally collapsing imagine what rich countries could do if they prioritized their resources in the same way. Cuba also has a higher literacy rating than the United States, almost ties it in life expectancy, zero homelessness and the most doctors per capita in the world. Granted you can't make much money as a doctor because of how few resources they have, but those are still impressive achievements for a country of that size that has a hostile hyperpower as its neighbor, no?

The homelessness thing, especially, is not difficult to do. In the United States, there are 3 vacant apartments/houses for every homeless person, and yet there are hundreds of thousands of homeless. If it weren't for the fact that it's profitable, there wouldn't be any homeless here either. Imagine a "public option" of sorts for housing, where everyone was given an apartment by the government at age 16 or so. You could still buy your own better apartment/house later if you wanted once you saved up enough money, but you wouldn't need to worry about homelessness ever.

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