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posted November 13, 2021 09:56 PM |
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Youtube doesn't have to keep its dislike button if it doesn't want to.
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posted November 13, 2021 10:06 PM |
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that statement alone tells me oodles about your mentality. everything is surface value with you people, isn't it? try evolving.
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posted November 13, 2021 10:36 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
The like/dislike function on social media and the internet is toxic.
It contributes to mental illness, anxiety, depression, and reinforces and further inflates the human tendency to conformity.
It's a higher tech version of the Roman bread and circuses, with patrons having a tantrum and throwing food when they don't like something.
If somebody doesn't like something, they're allowed to go somewhere else. If they do like it, they can watch it more and subscribe. That in itself already either promotes or demotes the artist.
More or less exactly my position.
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posted November 13, 2021 11:08 PM |
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"hey, you guys don't like an authoritarian society? just don't be a part of society."
hurr durr.
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posted November 13, 2021 11:53 PM |
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fred79 said:
that statement alone tells me oodles about your mentality. everything is surface value with you people, isn't it? try evolving.
This epoch-insensitive statement is offensive and hurtful towards the helcionelloida marine community, who believe they are fine just the way they are.
Please remember to use more appropriate language in the future on this subject. Next time I will penalize you on behalf of Helcionelloida &
Allies, 501c3.
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posted November 14, 2021 12:10 AM |
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fred79 said:
"hey, you guys don't like an authoritarian society? just don't be a part of society."
hurr durr.
Your comments are getting sillier from day to day. YouTube is a society as much as this board here - which, as it happens is authoritarian as well; you have to follow the rules or look somewhere else, and you have no influence on them.
It's something you CAN use under the known rules - or shunt. You are NOT ENTITLED to anything there, since you just make use of something you didn't create or had part in founding in any way.
Jeez. This sense of entitlement nowadays...
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posted November 14, 2021 02:44 PM |
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Youtube is neither a society or a community, it's a platform. You can say HC is an on-line community, since it's much smaller and people can actually get to know each other even if there's always the risk of imposters and so on but I dont think they are comparable in that sense.
Owners of Youtube have every legal right to remove any feature of course. But such giant platforms will have backlash if they make "authoritarian" choices. That's not a bad thing.
Now, of course fred's assumption that this is yet another move to silence likes of him to implant some globalist agenda is his usual crap but only because he is wrong, doesnt mean we should treat Facebook, Youtube, Twitter etc as if they are some cafeshop on the corner or HC, little enterprises. Their social impact is huge.
The like/dislike thing, I dont care much for it. But I also dont like the reasoning behind why the dislike feature is being remodeled, at least the one they announce, how too many dislikes can demoralize or hurt people etc. I mean, come on...
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posted November 14, 2021 03:11 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 15:15, 14 Nov 2021.
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every change the globalists make is authoritarian. you guys really DON'T see anything beyond surface value. it's like you can only see ripples on the water, and have no understanding whatsoever that there is something under the water, causing the ripples. and, that that something has teeth, and wants to eat you.
you just point and go "hurr durr, ripples!" 
THAT'S why every post i make, you just address what i say, and not the point, because all of your understanding is shallow. it's all face value with you. you guys really don't think beyond that.
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posted November 14, 2021 03:18 PM |
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@artu
It's likely these mega tech companies are going to be more regulated in the future because of the argument that they have monopolies, or at least close to it. I mean, technically there's a lot of streaming services like Youtube, but would you rather have 10 bookmarked or 1? It's just natural that everybody wants to go to one convenient location, so you end up with gigantic websites like Youtube.
Their reasoning is good, except the real issue is with the passive consumers, not the creator of the video. Mobs of people in comment sections and on social media change their behavior and self-censor themselves based on what will get likes. It's a cyclical behavior that people get caught into and it makes it addicting. Social media is screwing up a lot of lives and taking away likes/dislikes won't solve that, but it will likely help somewhat. I really hope places like Facebook and Twitter rework themselves eventually.
Specifically for Youtube: they're looking at it from the bottom line, and their service is propped up by people continuing to release videos, so those people are going to be more important to them than the passive consumers (because they figure the passive consumers won't stop using Youtube either way, which they are almost certainly right about).
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posted November 14, 2021 03:39 PM |
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Ok 404! I can't use a material. What they had examined like and dislike. Simple summary: like and dislike are the same as love and hate or compete with products. Still on the president race.
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posted November 14, 2021 03:40 PM |
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What's so hard to figure here? Videos propagating positive ideas about globalism, racialism, multiculturalism, LGBTism/multigender , immigrationism, vaccination + everything of that kind get tons of dislikes and little to none likes. Proved.
Why that happens? Because that is the only remaining option for random people to say "I don't believe in this crap", since the mainstream medias choose to go the fictional way and scorn anyone questioning their sources and facts.
On the other side, the minority groups instigating such ideas through videos are insanely active and combative, they send thousands of complaints every day about every dislike they get - as they are intellectually too weak to handle confrontation.
Thus those platforms had no other option than bow down to the little mob crying here and there.
Sure, there is also trolling, people who put thumbs down to anything just because they are frustrated but that is too of a restricted phenomenon to create such backlash waves.
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posted November 14, 2021 04:41 PM |
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Nonsense.
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On the other side, the minority groups instigating such ideas through videos are insanely active and combative, they send thousands of complaints every day about every dislike they get - as they are intellectually too weak to handle confrontation.
Obviously, the insanely acvtive and combative groups are the bonkers minorities the likes of fred who actually DISLIKE EVERYTHING.
The other way round makes sense: IF the mainstream media are monopolizing opinion, then youtube is a forum for the likes of fred to produce contrary videos which the poor "random people" who just want to say "I dont believe in this crap" can support them by saying "THST is the crap I believe in" and THOSE cannot be disliked anymore either.
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posted November 14, 2021 04:42 PM |
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Edited by artu at 16:43, 14 Nov 2021.
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@Sal
It's not "proved." Extreme stuff gets too many dislikes if it's on the other side of the political spectrum, too. I mean, if good ol' freddy here had a Youtube channel, do you seriously believe it would all be "likes." Maybe, most people who dont agree wouldnt have even bothered to "dislike" but that's beside the point, that's because he (or me or you) isnt significant enough. But put a video of Trump speaking of Mexican immigrants, you'd still have more dislikes, swarming dislikes. Inflammotary videos get dislikes, that is so basic, people seeking attention even reach out for "too many dislikes." That is how and why "trolling" exists.
"Thus those platforms had no other option than bow down to the little mob crying here and there. "
Just read what you wrote again, but slowly this time.
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posted November 14, 2021 05:03 PM |
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No, extreme stuff doesn't get many dislikes because 1) it is removed by Youtube before it reaches any potential 2) it is penalized by algorithms so only a few people knowing what they search for find it
But see how you switched to "extreme stuff" while I am talking about political confrontations, which are not always black and white. The core question is "who complained" because that's why YT implements this policy, right?
It doesn't take an Einstein IQ to see who complain the most nowadays for being "hurt in their feelings". It is all over the medias.
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posted November 14, 2021 05:22 PM |
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No, no Einstein IQ required to see that the whinning you speak of comes from both sides. The only difference is, you can emphatize with one side's whiners in full orchestration, so it doesnt sound like whining to you, but instead like a violin a little off chord.
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posted November 14, 2021 05:39 PM |
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I am not talking about "whining", but about formulating censure demands at the adequate platforms : Twitter, Instagram, Youtube and alike. it happened thousands of times, accounts suspended, removed, censured and so on. Those platforms do not censure things out of air, but on specific requests and complains.
Of course everybody "whines" about something, as Aristotle said (man invented language to be able to complain), but only one side will constantly send officious and official calls in order to change the rules.
Also your example with Trump was bad. Trump was elected after his "extreme" Mexicans rant, so it is safe to assume he got more likes than dislikes, theoretically speaking.
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posted November 14, 2021 05:54 PM |
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Okay, that's pure demagogy. I didnt suggest a military coup to throw him over, I just gave him as an example of how someone well-known can get as many dislikes as "the immigrationists" on social media.
Now, about shifting the subject, this is starting to feel too two dimensional but I thought this talk was about the "dislike" feature being remodeled. In that context, there is no difference. But about censorship, of course, on such platforms, say, someone who posts "all jews must die" and someone who posts "I want to be called Mary because I feel like a woman" dont get the same treatment. Do you think they should?
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posted November 14, 2021 05:59 PM |
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How is that an argument? Of course they are not equal, but today is not for saying "all jews must die" that you get banned/canceled the most - who in the hell does that except a few lunatics, but for stating biological or social realities.
Didn't we have a thread about Richard Dawkins the other day? And so on.
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posted November 14, 2021 06:04 PM |
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Hmm, but that's rather what they call "cancel culture." Dawkins isnt censored on Youtube.
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posted November 14, 2021 06:23 PM |
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All I say is that political debate should use same rules for everybody. The like/dislike on YT buttons were part of the game, you are responsible for videos you post and you have to accept consequences: some will like, some will dislike.
Commonly, the process of improving your critical thinking abilities should also pass by colliding with critical reactions, otherwise you have the "living in my bubble" or "I need a safe space" phenomenon. So that goes back to my first comment, when critical reactions get deleted asap - which shows rules are infringed, then the only way to disagree is the thumb down. What else?
I don't include into that the troll attitudes - people who just want to put a thumb down because they got the power to, they surely exist, but not at a such extent that they distort the whole reality.
I am like you, I don't really care about like/dislike, the only times when I used the thumb down is when a thumbnail displayed some hot chick then the video had no such thing in, I hate not rewarding arousal click baits. Other than that, I am not that naive to think a millions of thumbs down on some political video I dislike will change my life. That's not how real life works. Yet, I observe some problems raising from multiplying the censure.
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