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posted March 08, 2023 11:16 AM |
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 08, 2023 11:30 AM |
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You say NATO, I have one word for you: Yugoslavia.
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baronus
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posted March 08, 2023 12:04 PM |
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O yes they stop grnocide but it doesnt mean that's good alliance. Now they doing nothing with russian monsters. Good work in Kosovo was only because disgisting Clinton troubles with Levinski. And they want give people show to cancel Cinton gate.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 08, 2023 01:32 PM |
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I strongly dislike NATO and EU. I wish my country formed an alliance with Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Etc. Instead...
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Ghost
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posted March 08, 2023 02:14 PM |
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Russian Putin is more snowhole in his brain, when he is angry, and you see his steam from his head. He has pussy, thus failed gene.. Therefore Russia is monster 
NATO! Lol we are taking.. Peace and victory! What the Bible said.. Three escapes from the monster..
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gatecrasher
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posted March 08, 2023 02:33 PM |
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I'm a supporter of the EU. In its current form it has many flaws, absurdities and colonisation vestiges but it has guaranteed peace since WW2 for the once war-ridden Europe.
I wish it would transform into a United States of Europe someday.
I'm in favour of any kind of unification movements which contributes to the abolishment of borders which makes humankind act in concert.
NATO on the other hand... I used to be a opponent, thinking and hoping it was a holdover from Cold War times, an obsolete manifestation of militarism the modern world would have no need for anymore.
Much to my regret Russia's invasion showed we do in fact still need it. Russia would not have started the war if Ukraine (or Russia themselves) had been a NATO member.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 08, 2023 02:47 PM |
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gatecrasher said:
I wish it would transform into a United States of Europe someday.
God forbid. 
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Galaad
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posted March 08, 2023 03:29 PM |
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@gatecrasher
I think we have peace since WW2 because of nuclear dissuasion. I also think Russia attacked Ukraine also because it feared that they would integrate NATO.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 08, 2023 03:54 PM |
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What makes you say that? That narrative is silly. Since 2014 Ukraine is prohibited to enter NATO since it has been in a conflict with another country. It couldn't have entered - the NATO statutes don't allow that.
Also, Russia is now getting two for the price of one, or, more correctly, LOSING two for the price of one to NATO.
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gatecrasher
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posted March 08, 2023 03:56 PM |
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Ukraine's potential NATO membership was in discussion much earlier than 2014 (during Yushchenko's presidency), increasingly so after Russian had invaded Georgia in 2008.
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gatecrasher
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posted March 08, 2023 04:19 PM |
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Galaad said:
@gatecrasher
I think we have peace since WW2 because of nuclear dissuasion. I also think Russia attacked Ukraine also because it feared that they would integrate NATO.
That goes for the NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict. But still were several states ruled by nationalist military juntas in Europe (Spain, Portugal, Greece) which I think either the EU or NATO kept in check.
I don't think anybody in their right mind in Russia feared somebody had plans of invading Russia (a nuclear power). What they feared is a loss of economical potential and political influence, a loss of conflating elements left from Soviet Union times.
All ex-Soviet nations have loosened their economic ties to Russia since 1992.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 08, 2023 04:59 PM |
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gatecrasher said:
Ukraine's potential NATO membership was in discussion much earlier than 2014 (during Yushchenko's presidency), increasingly so after Russian had invaded Georgia in 2008.
That's not countering the point. It just means, that Russia had the Ukraine-NATO problem already solved in 2014, involving Ukraine in a conflict, making it ineligible for NATO-partnership.
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Galaad
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posted March 08, 2023 05:46 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
What makes you say that? That narrative is silly. Since 2014 Ukraine is prohibited to enter NATO since it has been in a conflict with another country. It couldn't have entered - the NATO statutes don't allow that.
gatecrasher said:
I don't think anybody in their right mind in Russia feared somebody had plans of invading Russia (a nuclear power).
Go explain that to Putin... I see it as a huge mistake from our side, neglecting Russia's point of view. Lack of comprehensive dialogue.
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Ghost
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posted March 08, 2023 06:04 PM |
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Impossible 
Do you remember US commanded Russians attack to Taleban.. Today Russia is a passive power..
Can't we know US played well? When knew what's the forbidden..
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 08, 2023 06:18 PM |
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No one except Baronus talked about Yugoslavia. Thank you for not avoiding the issue, Baronus.
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phe
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posted March 08, 2023 07:21 PM |
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Edited by phe at 19:48, 08 Mar 2023.
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NATO seems outdated and unnecesary, politically biased, strongly influenced by lobbing : oil industry, trucks and cars, energy, military industry, trade unions of military personel so backwardness, hiding antigravity and other technologies which make them obsolete. One conflict ends then other begins (seems made on purpose by both sides to make oil more expensive, to give army and politicians something to do, to sell arms, to distract from other things etc.), WTC, pandemia and diseases, earthquakes and tsunamis, catastrophes and collisions, meanwhile mind control and bulling inconvinient good people, tolerating crime, promoting tiny politicians who serve them, lack of basic honesty...seems unproper to what should be...NATO should be disbanded...NATO countries can manage as neutral states...common possession of firearms and automatized defence systems instead of army should deter agressors...some defensive alliance if necessary...what if NATO/USA controls Russia and made this war to bring NATO members together or to make impression that NATO is still needed....
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Salamandre
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posted March 08, 2023 07:24 PM |
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I am wondering about this "anti-gravity" technology you bring every time, do you have any sources or pertinent articles about?
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JollyJoker
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posted March 08, 2023 08:02 PM |
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Galaad said:
JollyJoker said:
What makes you say that? That narrative is silly. Since 2014 Ukraine is prohibited to enter NATO since it has been in a conflict with another country. It couldn't have entered - the NATO statutes don't allow that.
gatecrasher said:
I don't think anybody in their right mind in Russia feared somebody had plans of invading Russia (a nuclear power).
Go explain that to Putin... I see it as a huge mistake from our side, neglecting Russia's point of view. Lack of comprehensive dialogue.
You make no sense. How can anybody in their right mind think Pitin attacked Ukraine out of FEAR? That's absurd.
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phe
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posted March 08, 2023 08:08 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I am wondering about this "anti-gravity" technology you bring every time, do you have any sources or pertinent articles about?
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artu
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posted March 08, 2023 08:13 PM |
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Edited by artu at 20:14, 08 Mar 2023.
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JJ, I dont understand why you are so dedicated not to acknowledge tne NATO angle. Remember, in the related thread, I have linked a prominent American political scientist, who openly explains if they (U.S.A and NATO) dont start treating Ukraine as a neutral country and not an ally, Russia will feel threatened and Ukraine will get crashed, years before any of this. That is a bullseye prediction in a time when almost nobody thought Russia would dare such a thing. Only because it doesnt justify the invasion, doesnt mean the provocation doesnt exist.
Yes, nobody would have attacked Russia out of the blue under normal circumstances but that's not how countries estimate threat assessment, they plan the logistics according to a hypothetical attack which may happen in the future. Keep in mind, that is also how USA positions his arms in the region, not to attack immediately, but to establish a logistical advantage in response to a threat.
This is Wiki level information:
"At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the MAP as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its future and foreign policy, of course without outside interference.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO "as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do."[12] Before further actions on NATO membership were taken, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.
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