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Because Putin and Trump are not Hitler or Hitler-esque. Russia does not want to conquer the world or invade the EU, as if it could even if it wanted to. Their businesses cant even hire people as it is.
You have a serious crush/obsession with Hitler topics. It's because you're ALEMAN. The Jerry state media looooves Hitler more than it loves mashed potatoes or life itself.
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posted May 31, 2025 05:56 PM |
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What kind of an answer IS that? YOU said Trump is on a MAGA crusade (implying, HE velieves the nonsense and you believe it as well); YOU said, Putin is on a crusade as well (implying HE believes the nonsense, at least - which sounds like you use it as an excuse).
Then I pointed out that Hitler was a crusader as well, and asked since when was crusading a good thing, anyway (believing the crap or not). And then, you go ahead repeating the whole proaganda nonsense, while coming up for Hitler with historical facts, even though there is no doubt that if anyone at all believed the whole nonsense, then it's been Hitler. When it's an excuse for Putin, why isn't it one for Hitler?
And then you come up with the nonsense answer that Putin and Trump are not Hitler. No, but you said the first two were CRUSADERS, which Hitler has been as well. And you point out their differences by repeating propaganda nonsense of the first two, and come up with very biassed interpretations of Hitler's doings (Putin does execute people as well who are openly against him. What was the name of that forgotten mercenary? Prigoschin?)
Apples and oranges. Putin and Trump both can even surpass Hitler - they both have the capabilities to start WW 3. It's unrealistic that Trump will be in with Ukraine. But the Israel connection is strong - and then there is China and Taiwan.
Putin, on the other hand is threatening everyone and their dog with WW 3, if ...
What we can see in domestic politics, Trump, Putin and Hitler are acting not so different, aren't they.
Imagine Obama or Biden would have done the things Trump now does domestically - what do you think how long they would have been in office?
Why woudl ANYONE believe one word of what Trump or Putin are saying? Except when Trump announces some really stupid or really undemocratic? action. Because Trump is known for keeping to the facts?
You are not really defending this disgrace of an American president, are you?
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posted May 31, 2025 06:12 PM |
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^Polemic diatribe.
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posted May 31, 2025 06:20 PM |
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Why woudl ANYONE believe one word of what Trump or Putin are saying? Except when Trump announces some really stupid or really undemocratic? action. Because Trump is known for keeping to the facts?
Uhh... the vast majority of Russia, maybe?
Also, what the **** is an "undemocratic action"? You mean an executive order? Presidents are allowed to do that stuff. They can be temporarily blocked if a federal judge declares the order unconstitutional.
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posted May 31, 2025 06:28 PM |
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blizzard said:
^Polemic diatribe.
You just haven't got an answer.
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JollyJoker said:
Why woudl ANYONE believe one word of what Trump or Putin are saying? Except when Trump announces some really stupid or really undemocratic? action. Because Trump is known for keeping to the facts?
Uhh... the vast majority of Russia, maybe?
So that vast majority of Russia believes what Trump is saying? Interesting. Trump, though? And by the way, I didn't ask WHO. I asked WHY. You are making it a habit to not answer the questions asked, but to just write something.
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Also, what the **** is an "undemocratic action"? You mean an executive order? Presidents are allowed to do that stuff. They can be temporarily blocked if a federal judge declares the order unconstitutional.
Right. "Undemocratic" was the wrong word. Sorry for that. "Unconstitutional" is what I meant to say.
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posted May 31, 2025 06:48 PM |
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Why are you asking me why MAGA people believe what they believe?
Salamandre seems to like Trump fairly well. You can ask him to explain his views, which he already has multiple times.
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posted May 31, 2025 08:44 PM |
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I don't think, Salamandre LIKES Trump. I also don't think he BELIVES Trump. Plus, he is no American.
I hate so say it, but Hitler took power constitutionally ok as well, and you might say that Germany between World Wars had their share of MGGA people as well.
The difference is, Germany had lost a war, lost teritory, had suffered from gallopping inflationm mass unemployment and a massive economic crisis and was partly occupied.
Which means, Germans has good reason to fall for that kind of crap.
What reason have Americans?
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posted May 31, 2025 09:20 PM |
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This thread is just getting weird. Germans had good reasons to fall for killing tens of millions of people, including millions of Jews? Herding gay people into gas chambers? Executing mentally retarded children?
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posted May 31, 2025 09:22 PM |
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Different perspectives bring different lights on same individual.
If you think Trump is Hitler, you won't like him, no matter any arguments. There can't be nuances with Hitler, and we agree.
If you don't buy the Hitler anathema and you think people hating Trump are often ranting like monomaniacs, that plays into considering him, by elimination.
The goal in politics is to reach, at some extent, compatibility between (very) opposite views ; detect a common ground, a possible coexistence. There can't be any common ground with Hitler junkies, so one side decided alone to exclude all others, with no return possible.
By going way too far, they made Trump likeable, is so simple like that.
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posted May 31, 2025 09:35 PM |
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blizzard said:
This thread is just getting weird. Germans had good reasons to fall for killing tens of millions of people, including millions of Jews? Herding gay people into gas chambers? Executing mentally retarded children?
I mean, good reasons to be mad at the Allies, sure, but let's not conflate ideas here.
As far as Trump, I feel like you're asking me a question that you already know the answer to.
That is such a ridiculous point I will stop talking with you. What I said was, they had good reason to vote someone promising MGGA. And you know that.
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posted May 31, 2025 09:42 PM |
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Salamandre said:
If you think Trump is Hitler, you won't like him, no matter any arguments. There can't be nuances with Hitler, and we agree.
I don't think Trump is Hitler. Not nearly, in any respect, good or bad. You don't get to do when you did what Hitler did, if you are a nobody. There is frankly no comparison.
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posted May 31, 2025 09:44 PM |
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Every German politician was a "MGGA" politician.
Where were the politicians who were saying, "Vote for me and I will make life continue to suck."?
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posted May 31, 2025 10:02 PM |
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I don't think Trump is Hitler.
Donald Trump Wikipedia page contains sources to a dozen of references to Hitler (85 million deaths), Stalin (20 millions deaths) and Mussolini. The worm is in the fruit, the system is clearly rigged and needs a good kick.
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posted May 31, 2025 10:10 PM |
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That's what people said 100 or so years ago as well.
They certainly got kicked.
Every system anywhere anytime have been rigged. Most prominently: men/women. But, sure, in more than one way. Nothing new. Won't change, not in the forseeable future.
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posted May 31, 2025 10:13 PM |
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You don't get to do what Hitler did, if you are a nobody.
I am curious about what you mean by this. Hitler was a rejected wanna-be painter, a low-rank corporal in WWI and none of the German political elite thought he could last or remain significant in any meaningful way, until he did.
Trump was born into wealth, he was friends with presidents, movie stars, billionares. He was a TV star, he had published books, skyscrappers in NY city before he even set foot in politics.
If one of them came from nothing, it’s certainly Hitler.
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posted May 31, 2025 10:19 PM |
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Nobody isn't the word that conveys what I meant (I thought in German). Whyt I meant is exactly what you write: You don't do what Hitler did, when you are a person without talent, charisma, abilities and skills. You need to be extraordinany, at least in some sense.
Thanks for helping me clarifying.
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posted May 31, 2025 10:32 PM |
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What reason have Americans?
Americans are inherently more evil than the average person. Where a conscience was suppose to be, there is instead an icy sea of blackness.
When an American mother gives birth, the baby comes out of the womb with a fully loaded gold-plated Desert Eagle with 50 Action Express (AE) ammunition, a bag of cocaine, and a functional electronic pad with direct remote access to nuclear ICBM launch codes.
When the country was founded, a Satanic coven of witches under the guidance of a Sith Lord made a pact for infernal power that was sealed with the blood of the innocent.
The witches were extremely attractive and none of them had clothes on. One of the conditions of the pact was to someday exterminate all baby sea otters. Don't ask me why, but that is just how it worked.
All of this is classified information that I am bequething to you. Now don't say that I refuse to anwer your questions.
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What reason have Americans?
This guy seems to think they have their reasons and he’s quite fond of Hitler analogies such as you. One thing Blizz forgot when he said Trump would have been a revolutionary if we were in the 19th century is that a complaining, desperate working-class tends to lean far-right much more frequently than they lean far-left. Especially in conservative societies where socialism is seen as a “godless abomination.” And we know how religious Americans are compared to Europeans. I dont see eye to eye with the video btw, Trump is certainly much closer to far-right compared to far-left but I think one should hesitate to compare him to something as marginal as the Nazis. (In the pragmatic sense too, Sal is correct about people being really fed up with getting compared to Nazi sympathizers, most of them are not really nowhere near that radical and it backfires, it’s a silly way to “warn them” if that is the point.)
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posted June 01, 2025 12:24 PM |
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Couple of things:
"Fascist" or "Nazi" - these labels are given (usually, ast least by me), not because of a "political program", but because of the stance on things like "democracy", "human rights", "human dignity", "truth" and so on. These people simply say those rules don't work, their rules work better (for what they don't say) and they generally blame a certain group of people for all problems, leading to that group losing their human and civil rights. And that's the first dominoes falling - lies and untruths are heaped on and ever more laws and right will be undermined and eventually not be valid anymore. Enter a totalitarian regime.
That is what fascism and nationalsocialism is all about. You might say that communism is basically the same thing, it's just a different group being blamed. But the difference is, and I don't want to start discussing this because I don't want to open this can of worms - communism is RIGHT with who they are blaming. Think about it, just as an example: Trump's tarriffs are suposedly aiming at bringing production facilities baqck to the US. Why did they actually LEAVE? Because in order to make more profit, the capitalists left once workers organized demanded higher salaries and social security things, less worktime and so on, and built their factories in countries were they could still exploit the workforce and earn more money.
Anyway, these "fascist" things are happening currently. Human rights and the law are suddenly invalid for some. People are unlawfully arrested. Freedom of press is under attack. Independence of jurisdiction is under attack. Lies are spread. The US under Trump are on course to that, as I've said and prediucted numerous times. The foreign policies are erratic. Existing alliances are worth nothing, suddenly, and no one would be surprised, if Trump would cease all sanctions against Russia, get a trading deal with RUssia and be done with it, as it seems that Trump's USA are gearing up for a bout with China.
People don't need to WANT being Nazis to be like them. As with everything you don't have to see yourself as something to be it, that much should be clear. And it's certainly wrong to say that you are a Nazi only when you have concentration camps and kill a couple million people. That said, Trump has deportation camps, hasn't he? And hasn't he said, he wants 3000 people arrested per day? Sure, "illegal immigrants" - but every single one of them deserves due process (mistakes are the rule).
Would Trump have been a revolutionary in the 19th century? Frankly - who cares? Would he have nailed Jesus to the cross personally if he had been Pontius Pilatus Trump? Again, who cares? Would Hitler have become President of the US, if he had born in the US, fought in Vietnam and come back a different man? Again - who cares?
As we seem to agree, Trump is a narcissist, first and foremost, so the purpose of everything he does is how HE benefits.
And that Americans voted him - twice ... what can you say? If you want to discuss that, make a thread, but I personally think that many Americans have an unhealthy fixation on religion and religious nonsense, god and what HE might want or not and all that bollocks.
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posted June 01, 2025 01:31 PM |
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That said, Trump has deportation camps, hasn't he? And hasn't he said, he wants 3000 people arrested per day? Sure, "illegal immigrants" - but every single one of them deserves due process (mistakes are the rule).
It is Obama who built cages at the border, where kids were put in Source
Obama deported 3 million people, a record.
Nobody points that out, as a fascist move, in dominant medias, he even got a Nobel. But when Trump does, at a lesser extent, same thing, all wackos go nuts and medias talk about day and night. Fascism is back!
This is where I say it is enough. The swamp needs deep and thorough cleansing, by force if necessary.
What "due process" ?! You have no documents, you are put in the plane and direction your country. There are currently 15 million illegal aliens in the USA, you can use cool and soft methods when there is one thousand, but who let that happen, to such madness ? What is a nation ? What are borders for ? Why some have to go the right and laborious way, politely demand access, wait months or years for confirmation, while others just jump the line then whine about not being respected ?
I am not religious, btw. You seem to not understand the complex and various issues which might make someone prefer the authenticity and the bluntness of a Trump character to all other hypocrites. Critical issues need straightforward methods, not endless delaying because you fear what CNN might say.
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