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posted May 23, 2025 09:46 AM |
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As long as you insist on individual desperation to excuse illegal immigration there will be no solution and guys like Trump and Vance will shine. Because yes, if you look at each case separately, you heart will bleed. Politics don't work that way, fortunately, it is about collective interest.
A country should have the choice about who it accepts, so I see no difference between a whatever show who rewards nationality to the best at some challenge and, as it should be, some bureaucrat who accepts you because, guess what, you are the best at something. The other solution is deportation, what you pick.
Now, to clear it, personally I wouldn't come with such idea. But this is America, the country where you can go bankrupt yet become a billionaire again. Because all options are on the table, and I am for.
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posted May 23, 2025 02:32 PM |
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Sal, you can be against illegal immigration and still think the show is bad taste, exploitative and so on. One has nothing to do with the other. And what I’m saying is IF you think so and you wish to slam the show with a movie analogy, that movie would be The Running Man, not Robocop.
Now, I think the idea itself isnt very cool but we dont know what the actual content is. My guess is, the contestants will be middle-class candidates competing about immigration for opportunity, not refugee type immigrants competing for survival or basic income. The second type of contestant would cause too many reactions. So it wont be as scandalous as some mignt expect but it is still not the most dignified idea. When you lose, you are being rejected and returning to a country you turned your back on, on live TV. It’s not exactly the same thing as giving the wrong answer on a trivia show.
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posted May 23, 2025 04:54 PM |
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For me it's more, like, Hunger Games - or the pre-climate-desaster version of it. 
But seriously, the problem for me isn't even the actual show - it's the casting. Now, obviously, "middle class" candidates (with an education, a useful "ability") don't need to participate in a humiliating game show to emigrate into a "better" country - which doesn't have to be the US. It could be Canada, it could be Europe (Spain, say, or Portugal). Also, the US are currently not a good country for people from south of the US border; they have the wrong looks and the wrong nationality and my end up deported anyway. Which isn't to say, there wouldn't be the odd "middle-class" participant, but still. I mean, the show would be sold via the desperation angle, right? A dozen desperates, ready for everything.
So - how would the casting work? You'd obviously have to have "camps" in which to keep the illegals caught, but willing to give the show a try, then cast a batch (a couple interviews, checking their physical state and so on) - and after the show deport everyone who didn't make it.
Would they cast, say, really emaciated people?
Or would they fake everything?
I mean, imagine they got good ratings - what would be the next step? How about letting people who need a kidney compete for one? In a game show. How about lifelong prisoners competing for a 10 year sentence reduction? (that one would be bloody, of course).
Any by the way, artu, I BET, if they would put the new Turkish public weighing on camera and make it a once-a-week show, they would get fantastic ratings. AND it would probably be even more of a deterrent and serve its actual purpose, don't you think?
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posted May 23, 2025 05:01 PM |
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@artu, if you want to be considered with dignity, you fill the forms for legal immigration then accept the outcome, it may sound demagogic but that is reality.
Look, years ago, when Romania wasn't in EU and I had only student visa in France, I got invitation from Varga academy in Sion, that someone got sick and if I'm ready for that evening, I can perform. To get in Switzerland I needed months of waiting for a visa. No way to solve that, so I took the risk, jumped on next train from Lyon and tried to pass the border dressed with my nicest costume, perfumed, shaved etc. But no visa.
They got me then threw me out of the train like a garbage bag, no excuses, no Chopin, no nothing. Then was in custody for 48 hours. On the french side of the border. I didn't yell "you nazis scum", I gambled then I lost, it was on me.
If you don't have legal documents, humiliation is your reality when you get caught. That TV show in USA sounds playful when compared to how far it can go when the police gets its hands on you. This is what I meant when I wrote all options are on the table. Let the migrants decide whether this is degrading or a good opportunity to jump the line, after all nobody forces them to play.
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posted May 23, 2025 05:20 PM |
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Sal, still would happen to you today
maybe if you looked like artu
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posted May 23, 2025 05:25 PM |
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yeah, that big apple in the middle of his mug may get more attention.
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posted May 23, 2025 05:43 PM |
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perhaps it was the instrument that did you in 
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I think it is pretty intuitive that the premise of the show is tasteless and degrading, considering the majority of people (not all) seeking citizenship are from countries with a large cartel presence that terrorizes their communities. It isn't the same thing as moving within the US from the west coast to the east coast or vice versa.
But maybe I'm just a woke snowflake and I get offended way too easily.
And sure, you could do it with stable, more affluent people, but the irony there is that if you're going to have a dorky and cheesy show like that, you might as well do it with people who need it the most. Why the hell not. Just go turbo and bring on some underweight Somalian fishermen. Or get some Palestinian widows competing to marry themselves off with a beauty pageant and a cooking contest. Youtube would light up with parody vidoes.
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posted May 23, 2025 08:25 PM |
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Bad example, blizz. VERY bad example.
1) Sex work doesn't HAVE to be degrading per se; that's just a society specific effect, based one religious BS and other nonsense with a view on bodily functions.
2) Human trafficking, hooking children or teens on drugs and so on, is a modern form of slavery. These people don't have much choice in the matter, do they.
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I show up with a strange woman at a restaurant and I pay for her order.
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posted May 23, 2025 09:18 PM |
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Do you really think that's an issue to make bad jokes about?
You know, it's not about who's most elegantly above it all.
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posted May 23, 2025 09:26 PM |
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What's it about, man of the people?
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posted May 23, 2025 09:48 PM |
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I have no clue.
But if I HAD to answer, today I'd say, realizing that you are in the midth of "it", it being the only thing you know: this life. Not above it, even if you would like to be, because that would make things so easy.
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posted May 23, 2025 09:59 PM |
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I thought this was about the dangers of trump.
Well, so long I'm outta here suckers
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posted May 23, 2025 11:00 PM |
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well, that's ... too bad.
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posted May 23, 2025 11:47 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I have no clue.
But if I HAD to answer, today I'd say, realizing that you are in the midth of "it", it being the only thing you know: this life. Not above it, even if you would like to be, because that would make things so easy.
Not being able to solve everything is not the same thing as not being able to solve anything.
Decisions do make an impact to make the world relatively more or less livable and dignified and enjoyable.
Which is why sticking would-be citizens on a TV show is a really dickish thing to do. Find a different way to be entertained.
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posted May 24, 2025 09:56 AM |
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I seem to think I've made it pretty clear that I'm in the corner that finds the idea of these kind of shows abhorrent. I didn't link the article in praise.
Although I must say that I like the - odd - public weighing they do in Turkey now. A bit of humiliation at the right point and for the right reasons (and of course to the silent amusement of bystanders) has more entertainment value than people humiliating themselves for the lure of a green card.
That said, an even better idea might be to make parents pay for their overweight children. Monthly weighing at school, and for every pound of excessive weight parents had to pay a fine.
You know, tackling things at the root.
Still no comment from artu about it. Maybe the fat people now simply stay at home for the time they intend to continue this weighing thing.
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posted May 24, 2025 11:20 AM |
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@JJ
Hunger Games also fit. But since I am not as young as you, I was reminded of a movie from the eighties such as the Running Man. (The alternatives were Robocop and Arnold’s Total Recall.)
About the middle class not needing the show to immigrate, you sounded like a true EU citizen but it’s not that easy for people from all over the world. Even if you have a good education, good job credentials etc., getting a visa can be quite hard these days, put aside a citizenship. It’s hard to imagine how back in the 1960’s you didnt even need visas, they had buses traveling from Istanbul to Paris, you just bought a ticket and had to have your passport on you.
And what on earth do you mean by “the new Turkish public weighing???”
@ Sal
Well, the very meaning of “exploitative” is finding people who dont have the luxury of doing the dignified thing and using that situation to your own benefit, isn’t it? Imagine a show where they pick ten terminally ill people, make them compete doing a naked dance wearing nothing but a donkey mask. The best dancer gets access to expensive medical treatment they cant normally afford. Would you blame the terminally ill people for taking a chance? But you could (and most probably would) blame the people who came up with such a show, even if they said things like “well, we force no one to participate, it’s their own choice and this way at least one of them gets a chance.”
That’s why I think if such a show is to be greenlighted, it wont revolve around desperate type of immigrants. That would really be bad taste and it wont be good for the TV station’s public image anyway.
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posted May 24, 2025 11:25 AM |
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I mean this.
It's supposed to be a reaction on WHO's finding that Turkey's population is getting fatter way faster than the rest of the world, with estimations saying that up to 2060 94% of the Turks will be overweight
Oh, and Running Man ... I read the Bachmann book, of course - but I don't think I ever watched the movie.
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posted May 24, 2025 11:45 AM |
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Lol, that’s really some overblown news. There aren’t health inspectors roaming the streets and ordering people to lose weight or anything like that. It must be some health campaign or something but it’s not even in the news or social media here.
Btw, you know that Bachmann is actually Stephen King, right?
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