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Ben80
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posted October 08, 2023 07:42 AM |
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Israel, stop killing (and Hamas stop killing)
Ministry of Health in the Gaza Strip:
256 Palestinians, including 20 children, were killed and 1,788 civilians were injured to varying degrees, including 121 children, as a result of Israeli military actions in the last 24 hours.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 08, 2023 04:49 PM |
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Tell that Hamas, Hisbollah and Iran.
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Ben80
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posted October 08, 2023 05:34 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 17:35, 08 Oct 2023.
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JollyJoker said:
Tell that Hamas, Hisbollah and Iran.
I didn’t expect any other answer - the usual Western hypocrisy and racism/fascism. The fight against Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah must be waged without harming civilians. Is Iran killing Palestinian women and children in Gaza ? - No, Israel does this.
At the moment, Israel does not have enough sense to correctly identify military targets, and Israel’s response is now of a terrorist nature - attacks on civilian targets.
Additionally, Israel cut off electricity to Palestinian civilians. Where are Borrell and von der Leyen, who accused Russia of using energy as a weapon ?
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posted October 08, 2023 06:34 PM |
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And now my country has assembled the UN to seek a solution, although Lula barely knows how to pacify our own country population. Let alone meddle with such complicated affairs. Last time he said anything about conflicts, he veered between trying to appease Russian and NATO – at the same time.
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Geny
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posted October 08, 2023 10:12 PM |
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Are you actually serious right now? Over 700 Israeli killed, including children. Probably around 100 Israeli kidnapped, including children. All as the result of a Hamas surprise assault that explicitly targeted civilians as well as military targets. And Israel is the one that should stop killing?
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gatecrasher
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posted October 08, 2023 11:04 PM |
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This Ben80 person is a known pro-war, pro-genocide troll worshipping the swollen faced lunatic who showcased his chubby upper body while posing on a horse for photographers somewhere on Siberia.
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gatecrasher
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posted October 08, 2023 11:06 PM |
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Geny said:
Are you actually serious right now? Over 700 Israeli killed, including children. Probably around 100 Israeli kidnapped, including children. All as the result of a Hamas surprise assault that explicitly targeted civilians as well as military targets. And Israel is the one that should stop killing?
On top of that 400 palestinians have been killed so far though. Going further down the spiral of madness...
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Ben80
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posted October 09, 2023 04:38 AM |
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Geny said:
Are you actually serious right now? Over 700 Israeli killed, including children. Probably around 100 Israeli kidnapped, including children. All as the result of a Hamas surprise assault that explicitly targeted civilians as well as military targets. And Israel is the one that should stop killing?
I'm not talking about who was killed more, and I'm not saying that Israel's enemies are doing the right thing. I am discussing the actions of Israel itself. Do you really think that the correct response to killing civilians is also killing civilians ?
It is truly disgusting to see how Palestinian militants behave. However, Ukrainian nazi-maniacs are no better - they are the same degenerates or even worse. And they pose the same danger to Russia as Palestinian militants do to Israel. But Russia does not carry out such indiscriminate attacks on civilians as Israel does (if you think otherwise, then you are misinformed, including media productions behind which the UK and Ukraine).
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This Ben80 person is a known pro-war, pro-genocide troll worshipping the swollen faced lunatic who showcased his chubby upper body while posing on a horse for photographers somewhere on Siberia.
No, the only ones capable of committing genocide on planet Earth are the Americans and Europeans (oh yes, plus Israel - they once suffered from the German fascists, and then they themselves became like fascists). After all, no one except US thought of using an atomic bomb on civilians. And the Americans, after all their crimes, have the audacity to teach someone something. Their power is built on lies and inciting wars. The most important thing that those who seek to become their allies want is to be as “beyond the scope of justice” as they are. But History has no unindicted; sooner or later you will have to answer for everything.
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Ben80
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posted October 09, 2023 06:02 AM |
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If such footage were from Kyiv, the “world community” would tear our eardrums with the decibels of their heart-rending screams.
(if anyone doesn’t understand, this is footage of Israel bombing civilian areas of Gaza):
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Geny
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posted October 09, 2023 06:36 AM |
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Ah, I see now. Your purpose in making this thread wasn't actually caring about the Palestinian issue. You just wanted to make parallels to the Russian-Ukranian war, in hopes to move the discussion there. Well, I'm not going to be a part of this game.
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Ben80
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posted October 09, 2023 07:15 AM |
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Geny said:
Ah, I see now. Your purpose in making this thread wasn't actually caring about the Palestinian issue. You just wanted to make parallels to the Russian-Ukranian war, in hopes to move the discussion there. Well, I'm not going to be a part of this game.
It remains to be seen where events in the Middle East may lead. It may well happen that the consequences will be even more serious than in eastern Europe. Therefore, in fact, this topic is also of independent interest, and a great one.
If I had written this in the next thread, they would have told me that Putin was being discussed in this topic, and there was no need to write about Israel here.
But yes, I think one should always write about Western crimes (or the crimes of those they support) when they happen because Westerners are constantly telling others how to behave.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 09, 2023 09:03 AM |
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The Israel/Palestinian conflict is now 3 generations old. There were times when a solution was possible, but in the end what was necessary was that the countries around Israel recognized Israel's right to exist - a necessary prerequisite for serious negotiations.
That hasn't happened, though. Consequently, there hasn't been any sensible solution Israel would have agreed with (but not just Israel; when you don't accept a country's right to exist, how can there be any sensible agreement?).
We have seen a change recently, with Israel and Saudi Arabia nearing each other, based on a mutually shared opposition against and fear of Iran and the possibility of aggression, and now Iran has reacted to that, provoking the extreme nationalistic right Israeli government into bombing the crap out of everything that reeks like it could shelter Hamas or Hisbollah - but what would everyone have expected other than that? What is Israel supposed to do? They cannot occupy Gaza sensibly, because there will be terror attacks on the occupiers every hour or so, which means, they do it remote.
I wouldn't be too surprised, if Israel would try and solve the matter once and for all in some way
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Salamandre
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posted October 09, 2023 10:05 AM |
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You forgot the part where UN condemned Israel about 140 times, for illegal territory annexing, war crimes, illegal maritime and terrestrial blockade and so on, making from Israel the nation the most ever condemned.
And here is from UN chart:
2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples' struggle for independence, territorial integrity and liberation from colonial or alien domination or foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle
That's not to say I am against the right of Israel to exist or to defend. But let's put things in order.
So, there is no solution, except if we apply a full panoply of economical sanctions to Israel, interdiction of Israeli artists, sportsmen, diplomats, confiscation of oligarchs wealth and so on, we already know how to do that, right?
Won't happen, so any debate is worthless.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 09, 2023 10:51 AM |
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First of all, nearly every UN resolution concerning Israel are non-binding ones, which means, they are supposed to be solved via negotiation. They practically all go back to the 6-day-war in 1967 resulting in territorial gains of Israel (and after the Arabian world said no to every suggestion made) who were attacked. The territory in question was Jerusalem, Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Sinai, the latter given back to Egypt after a peace treaty was signed with Egypt.
As you probably know, Israel didn't want to give back the territory without peace treaties which were not coming and still do not exist with regard to the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights. Since there was no peace they ongoing Israeli military presence there brought "settlements" which were supposed to be "temporary", but became "permanent" in the process, and later, as we all know, Israel started to settle in earnest.
That's basically the problem. Israel got territory in the course of the 6-day-war and kept part of it due to the absence of peace treaties. In the course of time Israel has de facto annexed part of that territory by installing settlements who aren't "temporary" anymore, thereby transferring Palestinian population (which is also not allowed).
In practise I tend to say so what? If countries start a war, lose it, then fail to accept the loss and make peace, it's their own fault when they lose territory.
But I also say, that Israel's policy in that regard has not been wise and certainly did nothing to calm the waters.
Still, I don't see any real willingness on the Arab side to negotiate a lasting settlement, starting with the recognition of Israel's right to exist and then negotiate about the Palestinians. As long as Israel is "the enemy" anyway, why would they give anything they have away?
Hamas can exist only as long as the conflict rages. Without that conflict, if there was peace, Hamas would cease to exist. What happens now will pull more into their ranks, since Israel is bound to produce more collateral damage within the civilian population after they took hostages. That they did that is proof Hamas WANT Israel to come for them, and Israel WILL come for them. Whether they may then be in for a bad surprise or whether this is just to produce as much violence and death as possible, we'll see.
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monere
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posted October 09, 2023 10:54 AM |
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Ben80 said:
...the only ones capable of committing genocide on planet Earth are the Americans and Europeans
I've been temporary banned on this site several years ago and I've been so pissed that I never cared to come back. But a few days ago I remembered that I was a member of HC and I was like "sure, why not? Let's check what's up with it these days..." and that's why I'm back to browsing it...
And the reason for which I logged in today for the first time in years (and for which I will probably get banned again, but which I don't care about) is to tell you that I snow on you, and on your family.
And the reason for which I snow on you is because I am European, too (Romanian more specifically, if you even know where this country is), and I have never genocided anyone, nor do I care about doing it. Furthermore, I've been suffering deeply and continuously for those civilians these days ever since I've read this horrifying news about this genocide, and I suffered for both the Palestinian kids and the Israeli ones alike. If I had power I would actively pursue and exterminate all of the military troops and militaristic heads that exist on the planet, regardless of what nation they belong to. The weapon worshippers and builders are the biggest problem of our society... But anyway, I digress...
What I wanted to say is that Europe is a continent of over 50 countries, and if you're hating on Europe like the big snow eater that you are then I reserve the right to snow on you, on your family and on your entire genealogic tree of haters because - the last time I checked - Romania didn't genocide anyone. We, the Romanians, have been being victims ourselves of "Europeans", we've been victims of the Romans, we've been genocided and victimized by the Ottomans, then by the Soviets, and more recently we are vassals to economic foreign American, Dutch, German, French corporations and god-knows-who else...
So, as you can see, snow eater, NOT all Europeans are capable, or are even genociders. If you absolutely must hate on Europe then hate on the Germans, French, Dutch, Portuguese, and Brits, as these were (and some of them still are) the biggest colonizers, not Romania, not Latvia, not Denmark, or whichever other European nation that your retarded brain doesn't know anything about think is a genocider.
And even though Europeans are the biggest colonizers on the planet, "we" (as in, we, the Europeans) are still not the biggest genociders. If you want proof of how the USA and NATO are the biggest war mongers and genociders, factually responsible for billions of civilian deaths over the last century, I will send you links to these proofs. USA is the single most artificial, fraudulent and fascist nation on Earth, which is why USA - as a concept - will disappear by the end of 2050 (yes, this is my prediction and I don't give a snow about whether you believe it or not)...
But anyway, in case that you happen to read this message before the mods (probably) delete it, I wanted to tell you that you're not better than USA or the European colonizers if you have the insanity of accusing my country, or other European countries of genocide when I genuinely suffered for these innocent civilians (I pray for those murdered kids even today, although I have no ties with Israel or Palestina) as if they were my own. And this doesn't mean that I want to declare war on Israel or Palestina either. It just means that I want all of the military troops to be executed publicly by the governments and want all military and all mass weapons to be disbanded and destroyed forever. If we are to go to war each other, let's do it with fists and knives, we would still murder less civilians than with bombs and other MDWs...
And - again - if this message doesn't get deleted before you read it, or if the mods don't ban me again, I will post links to YT videos in which USA reporters themselves expose the mass-murdering nation that is USA... But I will probably get banned again, so yeah...
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Ben80
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posted October 09, 2023 11:24 AM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 11:27, 09 Oct 2023.
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@monere,
no, don't worry, I don't consider you European. The real Europeans are those who had colonies. They don't act like you. They can say a lot of pleasant and tempting words, show glass beads (as they were shown to Ukraine a few years ago, for example), but the end result will be unpleasant. And your place is next to the savages from the Middle East, who are now making videos and making faces next to their victims.
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monere
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posted October 09, 2023 11:42 AM |
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Ben80 said:
@monere,
no, don't worry, I don't consider you European. The real Europeans are those who had colonies. They don't act like you. They can say a lot of pleasant and tempting words, show glass beads (as they were shown to Ukraine a few years ago, for example), but the end result will be unpleasant. And your place is next to the savages from the Middle East, who are now making videos and making faces next to their victims.
the point is that I AM European, but I am NOT responsible for any genocides that your full of hatred towards Europe brain concocted...
Anyway, here are links to proof who the real monster is in most wars and violences that have happened in the last half-century (if you're American... sorry, USA citizen, you probably won't stomach this):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2MUS0xRCTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owjYEjib23M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-qutuWQ_6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBc5YLW8h74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkB08AKNjQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMEgneKF10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ_5nuoB940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ3ItSYBaJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUwLB4xUk0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcVy-Fta1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqE-WqxfT1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BRx90DhYWM
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Galaad
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posted October 09, 2023 01:11 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 13:11, 09 Oct 2023.
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Ben80 said:
I'm not talking about who was killed more, and I'm not saying that Israel's enemies are doing the right thing.
The thread's title and the OP is pretty one-sided. We already have a thread about the Israel and Palestine conflict : http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=38327.
monere said:
I snow on you, and on your family.
This is obviously against the CoC.
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Ben80
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posted October 09, 2023 01:21 PM |
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Galaad said:
The thread's title and the OP is pretty one-sided. We already have a thread about the Israel and Palestine conflict
Ok, you could delete this thread and move the posts there (if you want)...
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Ben80
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posted October 09, 2023 01:45 PM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 13:45, 09 Oct 2023.
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Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Galant said he had ordered a complete blockade of the Gaza Strip. At the same time, he spoke cynically about the Palestinians, calling them “animals.”
"There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel - everything is closed. We fight against human animals and act accordingly".
"Civilized world", help ! Where are you ? After all, this is very similar to what Hitler said and did.
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