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Ghost
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posted December 26, 2025 08:20 PM |
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Poll Question:
Do you approve of abortion?
A very handicapped religion.. Thus fetus can grow in the Fallopian tube, stomach, etc When you know I make one dictionary.. In many reasons, I accept abortion.. If reasoning is so strong..
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phe
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posted December 26, 2025 09:14 PM |
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Edited by phe at 22:23, 26 Dec 2025.
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It's a new being/person from the very begining. Just to magnify the view . It has central nervous central. It is insplittable into more than one being. Some bad being who hadn't deserve equal rights and got it far to soon came up with idea that it is not a human... with equal rights of bad people, bad people came to politics, military, secret service, show business... religions were replaced by primitive atheism demading belief that bad people and their bad habits are good... despite of their lies, dishonesty, laziness, stupidness... these bad habits were so common and sex with such people easier that it was legalized...
Good and wise people are anti-abortion and anti-prochoice...because it the same thing like tearing apart newborns with excavator...like dropping newborns in wastelands for certain death...it was commmon thing in ancient times in Rome, Greece and other places ...similar in Carthago, sacrificing 5-6 years old children for religious reasons....similar thing I heard about peasant in Poland several hundreds years ago, sleeping together whole family and suffocating little ones... Australian swimmer Keli Lane killing newborns is the same story...similar kills happen all over the world... it doesn't mean that it's good... it does mean that people should have the same right to kill unborn child like to kill newborn...means none at all...
abortion is a discrimination of a bean or mouse size man...it feels joy, fear and other feelings... hard to expect high thoughts from baby , couple of months back it had similar emotions... a man of bean or mouse or loaf size deserves more sympathy and rights than bad adult...
If exam would be introduced to get equal rights and right to vote or to choose for such people...they would fail... they are bad in other matters... why lives of such people should have any value...it's worse than religions...
New being/human begins in the moment of conception...
If you support abortion good and wise people would have the same opinion about you like about Keli Lane or Carthaginians... humans...but what kind???
The same is with animals....there is no need to use or kill animals at all...animals feel the same like humans...even mouse or newborn chick...they more deserve liberation or even holiness than bad people equality and being treated like humans...
surgery and modern technologies allow to move child in proper place or artificial womb... but doctors are often lazy...
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Ghost
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posted December 27, 2025 07:56 AM |
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phe said:
surgery and modern technologies allow to move child in proper place or artificial womb... but doctors are often lazy...
When I said handicapped religion, thus abortion started in the 20th century, the great invention adopted in Soviet Union in the 1920s, if I understood well.. And then modern came in the 1970s.. So technologies would be good and important to developing, but I think not yet, or I can't know all matters.. Ok not the only one Fallopian tube, stomach but also other reasons like under 17yo gets twins, triplets, for example.. An artificial womb is also fine.. Yeah people understood the Bible wrong.. When I talked with religious friend, he said in the Fallopian tube is meaningless, thus the Bible.. I saw that amusement something in the Bible means wrong, an example of wrong boyfriend, thus to abortion, etc So I choose a reasoning is strong.. And in technologies, you copied my thought, but why not you tell or debate with other? People march with abortion legality signs with weak reasons..
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JollyJoker
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posted December 28, 2025 09:13 AM |
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Ghost
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posted December 28, 2025 12:14 PM |
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A baby factory isn't a new matter in China, if you think about dead boys, and one or two very small cities in Finland, tried advertise to family make a new child, so city pays €10000-15000, because of population is really little.. Cities didn't succeed, news told.. But all matter is from the Bible urged people make children.. And so believers believe in billion people are dead in the Flood.. And they continued to born children slowly than Noah's time, thus billion came in the 1900's.. But not to mention overpopulation.. And I heard that this planet can fit 50 billion people, but problem name is food, when wheater, water, etc Remember what? Only brains get necrobrain, are you heard menopause? Ok we have a cell, it will stop, and caused menopause, if technology gives us longer life, but cell stops at development.. In the Bible told Eve was about 900 aged, and Eve got a child.. Legend! Thus cell stopped already long time ago.. So abortion or not, if you are 80yo, and planet has an average 150-200yo in lifespan, but 80yo can't get a child, because menopause.. Interesting fact..
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bloodsucker
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posted December 28, 2025 02:42 PM |
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Ghost said:
... thus abortion started in the 20th century.
That's bullsnow. From riding horses to herbs and potions, a ton of thinks (including rape) were used since the most remote historic times to prevent the birth of unwanted children. The effectiveness varies a lot but they were no doubt attempts to provoke an abortion.
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Ghost
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posted December 28, 2025 05:24 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 17:47, 28 Dec 2025.
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I heard, bloodsucker.. But I can't find a material, when I know so much about sex, an example of condom made from cloth.. Yes the great invention, but also dark history.. Thus strict law, rule and maybe different ethics or they want other look decent people for reputation.. Other people are hidden.. We can't know what they did.. When time hasn't tools, drugs, etc to abortion.. Taboo is a good idea..
EDIT:
Pessaries are even mentioned in the oldest surviving copy of the Greek medical text, the Hippocratic Oath, as something that physicians should never administer for the purposes of an abortion: "Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion." - wikipedia
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Pol
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posted January 03, 2026 07:33 PM |
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Yes, need to say that there are also Baby boxes, to leave unwanted kid or kid which you can't support. So that should cover all possibilities.
The reality is a bit random anyway and it will remain like that. 
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JollyJoker
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posted January 03, 2026 09:32 PM |
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Ghost
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posted January 04, 2026 03:22 PM |
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Yeah JJ, much earlier we talked about the baby box in the VW, where where Adrius and JoonasTo, but I can't remember where did the baby box come from.. So I quote(d) from the wikipedia to you, thus decent grammar..
The maternity package (Finnish: äitiyspakkaus, Swedish: moderskapsförpackning), known internationally as the Finnish "baby box,"..
But Pol.. Some were already talking about adoption.. If you meant so.. And to be on the safe side, I say tubal ligation (female sterilization in which the fallopian tubes are permanently blocked, clipped or removed - wikipedia again..) must be legally.. And then doctor can't tell and ask for.. Today doctor can't cut or block one's Fallopian tubes, if woman doesn't have.. So accident child can't be random event..
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JollyJoker
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posted January 04, 2026 09:55 PM |
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Ah ok.
But it means, the pregnant has to bear and birth what will become a child and starts as a fetus.
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Pol
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posted January 04, 2026 10:17 PM |
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Yes, this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch
It's pretty common but might be not in every country. They were 'reinvented' around year 2000 in EU. Anyway these have tradition like thousand year back and possibly longer.
I do follow simple logic, her body her decision. You can talk into it but the final decision is on her. That's kinda natural flow.
Every life is having the same value, you just can't value the kid over the mother, neither opposite but given the biological facts, it's on the mother to decide.
Religion can't defy nature, neither physic. In the opposite direction it works very nicely tho.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 04, 2026 10:27 PM |
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Yeah, we agree. It's the pragmatic decision.
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phe
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posted January 08, 2026 05:54 AM |
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Edited by phe at 06:14, 08 Jan 2026.
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Fetus feels the sand pain like you. It' s a new person. It has mofher and father...and it's innocent life... needs more resoect than adult noninnocent life...
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Salamandre
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posted January 08, 2026 08:10 AM |
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Its disturbing how lightly some take this. The boring argument "my body my choice" is not valid as long as doctors will refuse euthanasia if you ask for yourself, so it doesn't stand up one second.
Beside, the fetus has its own DNA and the DNA is unique to each individual, not shared with mother or father. I get that in some extreme situations the mother must be saved and there is no other choice, but nowadays abortion is like getting a piercing, moreover is subsidized by health care, which is scandalous. A new life inside you is NOT an illness, it is a blessing. The tax payers should not have to pay for the irresponsibility of some, as long as contraceptive tools are available.
Another aspect is demography, which is now everywhere in the west declining at a disturbing rate. At the same time, we have million of abortions, so it doesn't make any sense other than prioritizing the individual comfort over the interest of all.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 08:14 AM |
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Instead of waxing about what women must or must not do with unborn life that stands and falls with the willingness and ableness of the mother - why not for a change care about the BORN life? You know how many BORN people die from undernourishment every year? Most of them children, by the way?
And euthanasia? You don't need a doctor for that, although it's better with help, so same thing as abortion, more or less.
In any case I don't care a bit for the racist crap a la, oh, the white race is dying out, women unwilling to give birth have to be - what exactly? Put into a specific jail? Death penalty for abortion? Raped repeatedly until pregnant again to make up for that crime against the superior white race? Next station Handmaid's Tale?
I'd prefer it, if all women went on birth strike as long as the world is as crappy as it is. It's cleaarly the wrong gender in power because it's the one that doesn't care for the children - but of coursse loudest when it comes to the pro-life crap.
Before you start demanding from women to deliver babies instead of aborting them make the heck sure the world they bear the babies into are SAFE for them.
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Salamandre
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posted January 08, 2026 09:16 AM |
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The obsession about race and white supremacy is your delirium, at no moment I talked about.
The main problem in our western societies is that low demography combined with increased life expectancy leads to impossibility to keep a viable retirement system and a decent taxation system. In 1981, there were 5 million seniors in France, 17 millions today and 23 millions expected in 2050.
Then trying to supply this lack of demography by an immigration which remains for a big part on social perfusion and is not working, I think everyone with at least a cell in his brain got that is not the solution.
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You know how many BORN people die from undernourishment every year? Most of them children, by the way?
In Europe ? Crap argument, like every of your circumlocutions and whataboutisms. You weren't even trying to address my concerns, going on autopilot as usual.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 09:56 AM |
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It's clear that you don't want to hear that, but that's not MY problem. If you look at history, men have a really crappy track record as leaders of enything - so I don't TRUST men to get ANYTHING right in that regard. Men have FAILED over the course of history.
One of those failures is trying to tell women what to do, and that includes the female body, pregnancy and everything that comes with it. Leave them alone, and don't start telling them because of MALE inabilities to overcome social/religious differences when it comees to integration (the problematic demographic group when it comes to integration are young males), THEY have to bear more children.
I could go on about that, but I won't. Just stop trying to blame women.
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posted January 08, 2026 12:12 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Its disturbing how lightly some take this.
How light? I don’t imagine any woman going “let’s not use a pill and never mind the condom, I will go to a clinic and have my uterus scraped later.” But unwanted pregnancies do happen. People get drunk, people get raped, condoms break, teenagers are impulsive, it’s just a fact of life like traffic accidents. So the question is still if they have the right to end the pregnancy or not. And if you dont (and dont have to) believe that each fetus has some metaphysical “soul” attached to them from the moment they are conceived, then, considering a fetus at an early stage with no central nerve system, no brain, no consciousness, not a person yet is rational from a biological standpoint.
You are also right that declining birthrates are a problem on a sociological scale. It is a standard phenomenon. As economies develop and urbanization spreads, people have less kids. Houses become more expensive, education longer and more expensive, cosmopolitan culture has more room and is more accepting of untraditional life choices and individualism, not having kids is not a taboo, women focusing on their career skyrocket and so on… Turkey has also declining birthrates. At first, it was only the more urbanized Western zones and nationalists were like “oh my God, the Kurdish population is going to surpass as in our own country” and now with further urbanization, Kurdish zones have declining birthrates. There will come a time when Africa has declining birthrates.
And as long as you have this notion of individual rights, the most you can do is promote having children through economical incentives, credits and loans, cheaper education and housing for big families etc. You can not penalize not having kids. OR you can abandon the idea of liberal democracy and individual rights all together and go back to states organizing social scale planning with a level of intrusion on an individual scale. That alternative is called authoritarianism. Something we are both familiar with from personal experience right, just like not having kids.
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Ghost
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posted January 08, 2026 12:17 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 12:20, 08 Jan 2026.
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Yeah her decision, I bacome a silence: ... until phe said the fetus feels the pain.. I started to wake up that I read about some material says some phase being hasn't a brain nor nervous system.. I can't remember where are in phase.. Cell or embryo?!.. But in logic says fetus has a brain and nervous system, when human-being.. I don't started fetus, etc yet, but I hit them often.. And then I've some lexes say that fetus has 23 chromosomes from father and 23 chromosomes from mother.. So fetus gets complete DNA (46 chromosomes).. Miracle that it picks up from random chromosomes, thus feature isn't 100% same, when face, etc so new DNA.. Complicated matter such as mitosis, when two deaf parents are born deaf child.. No fault has found yet, when Down syndrome, we know about the gene, so to inject a drug to fetus, and mother is born healthy child.. But other faults, we don't still know about 50-60% faults.. I'm not worry, that I think I'm species.. And strong deaf gene from many generation will born many deaf children.. You know.. Ok raped woman, etc It goes to new family by baby box, etc In only Fallopian tube, etc We haven't a artificial womb, etc So to force abortion.. Ok? You know that people use a law wrong, yes they abuse the law, so many abortions come.. Mother and baby will die from abortion or to be born aren't my area, I don't bring statistics to dictiönäry.. But doctor works so they live.. In principle artificial womb.. We don't blame broken condom, etc
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