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Salamandre
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posted January 08, 2026 01:14 PM |
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artu said:
How light? .
Extremely light, in the sense that I never hear any of you having a single word or remorse about the innocent being whose life is terminated. Because this is what abortion is, voluntary killing an human being, which happens to be at a stage of development where he can't defend, he is helpless and needs extensive care.
You can do endless semantic circles, manipulate biology to fit the narrative that this human being is just a piece of garbage, nonetheless, me, you, anybody, we had to go through that stage, is part of our evolution and development. When the right of some denies the right of others to live. I
I get it, is a complex situation, and I'm not asking for penalization or whatever, but I find it very disturbing that it is widely considered as a 100% positive advance, and then if you dare to question it - on valid concerns, you are designed as the bad guy.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 01:48 PM |
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That's complete nonsense. There is no "innocent being" that is terminated and abortion is NOT an voluntary killing of a human being. It IS a human being in development, but there is only ONE person in the world - no other, no machine - that can help in the development, and until that point it's COMPLETELY and EXCLUSIVELY dependent on that person.
Now, if a pregnant woman wants an abortion, then quite obviously something went wrong: the person didn't WANT to become pregnant, but still IS.
Now, we could start analyzing the cases that CAN go wrong, but that doesn't make a lot of sense: not even in case of a rape everyone is on the same page (although there ARE raped women who willingly keep that baby without the need of a law; people are different), and in the end, if someone WANTS to keep the baby (without pressure, with the abortion option open), then so be it - that baby has a future, because it will quite probably be loved and cared for. If, however, the baby isn't wanted, NO ONE will be happy and it might end in an institution or worse (and potentially ruin the lives of mother and/or father) as well.
If you want to blame somebody, blame a) men in all cases of rape; b) religion for picking a losing fight against the power of hormones; c) an over-sexualized society, in which you are confronted with the lure of sex, simply to sell products and d) crappy education. You could add stuff like peer-pressure.
But do NOT start calling fetusses human beings and whine about their cruel fate. Whine about those that were forbidden to be aborted and now lead a miserable life, because once the arm of the law or religion or whatever made sure the baby was born they lost interest.
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artu
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posted January 08, 2026 02:18 PM |
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Edited by artu at 14:20, 08 Jan 2026.
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Oh, from your context (my body my choice), I was under the impression that you were talking about the women making the choice when you said “some take it lightly” and hence, I objected I dont imagine it is ever their ideal first option.
Yes, I dont feel like a tragedy happened when I hear of an abortion. This is not some semantic word play on biology or anything like that. I dont think anybody, except the mothers themselves and maybe the father or some other close relatives, like a grandmother wishing for a grandkid etc, are actually heartbroken or depressed because of such news. We certainly dont percieve it as actual murder, which is obvious by how we dont treat women who aborted as psychopatic murderers. Even anti-abortion people dont do that no matter the legal status. This is not some semantic word play either but a social fact. It’s like the difference between how we react differently when we see a cat run over by a car and how we see a bug squashed. We are not hardwired to react to life at such micro phases, the same way we react to life capable of emotion and sentience.
And since what matters is if the women that are going to make the decision are taking it lightly or not, what good comes out of you and I not “taking it lightly” anyway? There you have somebody who aborted a child, something very against their maternal instincts, they are probably not having the best day anyhow. You suggest that we go and abortion-shame them? “You ended a potential human life. Are you happy!” Isnt that just pointlessly mean?
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Ghost
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posted January 08, 2026 02:47 PM |
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Animals don't take a light, when I'd had a female dog, I said if you go to copulate another dog, we take your babies.. And then on the street, someone's male dog wanted my dog, because they met earlier.. I explained to female dog, your decision.. Ok? Yes female dog showed her teeth, and then her head put male dog's belly, and head out from belly, when male dog was ready go to the behind, but female dog walked out, and then showed her teeth, etc.. I wondered that it means abortion.. Is dogs talked about.. But animals haven't feel about babies, so yes abortion?! Limited communication..
Remember what? First noes gay, lesbian, etc Today you see that is accepted, and then abortion can't happened in 25 years, so you are wrong.. Because you want be part of the world.. Today you are in minority..
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purerogue3
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posted January 08, 2026 05:14 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
there is only ONE person in the world - no other, no machine - that can help in the development, and until that point it's COMPLETELY and EXCLUSIVELY dependent on that person.
she's being a 'tyrant' to the baby by using force on it
WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT
it's only bad if it's a man doing it to a woman
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 05:19 PM |
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*sigh* It's called a FETUS, not a BABY.
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Salamandre
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posted January 08, 2026 06:02 PM |
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Happy and responsible mothers call it baby. How often you hear a pregnant woman talking about its offspring like... my "fetus" ?
Is when you don't care and need a pretext to dump "it" in a garbage can that you start dehumanizing.
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purerogue3
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posted January 08, 2026 06:09 PM |
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She's called a WOman, not a MAN
there is no such thing as a 'human' that is not already covered by the prior two distinctions
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 08, 2026 06:20 PM |
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I can't say that I approve but then, I am not a woman. I just hope that they think things through before making a choice.
My mother was pressured into this when she got pregnant by her parents that didn't quite approve of her relations with my father, but at the last minute she decided not to abort. I guess I was a lucky "fetus", huh? 
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 07:07 PM |
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A fetus is no human. Women generally call it their BABY, when the feel for the first time that it has moved. That's generally somewhere between week 16 and 24. You can also determine sex in that period via ultrasound, although a few weeks earlier. It's possible earlier via blood test, if you want to, but I don't know anyone who did or does that. Of course SOME feel an earlier attachment, but we obviously talk only about unwished-for children, otherwise they aren't aborted anyway.
I mean, people who really like their car, name it and call it a "she" as well. They also call their pets their little babies quite often. Doesn't change anything.
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phe
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posted January 08, 2026 07:16 PM |
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Edited by phe at 19:25, 08 Jan 2026.
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fetus is a stage of baby and man's developmnent the same as a baby and a child is a stage in man's development... they are as well fetus, baby and man in the same time...concept that fetus is something else came from bad people (stupid, lying, lazy, dishonest) who don't deserve equal rights...
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Ghost
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posted January 08, 2026 07:36 PM |
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@Darkon-Deus
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I can't call embryo is human, yes fetus.. Even if I remember that is one politician asked when being became human.. How many weeks old? Ok.. In other, my thought that is person 50yo plus 9 months.. Hands down.. I read Down syndrome, gene test or sampling in 10-14 weeks.. Huh It after drug injects in fetus.. And Down syndrome is gone out, healthy baby is born.. And maybe not famous and cool person, etc
Remember fetus see dreams..
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 07:44 PM |
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Wrong, because you can "get" baby, child, human as a single entity, but a fetus only in combination with its mother. You can also not decide something about without deciding something about the mother. A court cannot order a mother to give up the fetus and leave it to the father. And it cannot order someone to take care of it other than the mother. Fetus is different.
Society is accepting that becausse fetusses have different rights than babies or children or humans,
Of course pro-lifers are quick about telling people who deserves "equal rights" and who don't, because if they don't give women equal rights anyway: Men are given full property rights for their body, women are not.
So what you are ACTUALLY saying is, women don't deserve equal rights and everyone who advocates or even demands them doesn't deserve them either.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 07:56 PM |
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@ Ghost
As I said, I see it pragmatically: once you can extract the fetus from the womb, without (really) damaging the mother, and keep the fetus alive, there is no reason to abort. Of course there is a cost for this and someone has to pay. This COULD be the mother (she could have aborted at an earlier stage), but it will probably be the prospective new parents.
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phe
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posted January 08, 2026 08:18 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Wrong, because you can "get" baby, child, human as a single entity, but a fetus only in combination with its mother. You can also not decide something about without deciding something about the mother. A court cannot order a mother to give up the fetus and leave it to the father. And it cannot order someone to take care of it other than the mother. Fetus is different.
Society is accepting that becausse fetusses have different rights than babies or children or humans,
Of course pro-lifers are quick about telling people who deserves "equal rights" and who don't, because if they don't give women equal rights anyway: Men are given full property rights for their body, women are not.
So what you are ACTUALLY saying is, women don't deserve equal rights and everyone who advocates or even demands them doesn't deserve them either.
baby sucking a breast relies on mother too...requiring her body, attention and effort (obligation by law not choise)... women don't have right to drop baby into waste bin...
fetus, baby, child, man feel pain and death the same way...
embryo is a new being too and also deserve protection from bad people...most propably can live in warm vat of water with feeding pipe attached...
bad and rude people don't deserve equal rights...
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Ghost
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posted January 08, 2026 08:21 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 20:22, 08 Jan 2026.
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@JJ
You suggest to scientific community, and then they develop artificial womb, but some think ethics..
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When part of Finnish deaf women got sterilization in 1950's.. People don't want deaf children.. Today implant, and then the next is injection.. Why? Today law, so they search for new way.. Then time grew brain.. I don't think abortion will come.. Stupid barbarian law..
Axiom, no else, I read this thread.. If good matter.. Ok
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 08:56 PM |
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@ Ghost
Yeah, things change, science brings advancements - which have profound consequences. Say, sex change. Impossible a couple decades ago. Artifical womb would be a step forward as well. Stem cell research is a necessity - but then people come with ethics. For every advance that doesn't come because research into it might be unethical from some religious pov someone has to pay.
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baby sucking a breast relies on mother too...requiring her body, attention and effort (obligation by law not choise)...
No, every woman with milk can breats-feed a child - it doesn't have to be the mother. Women who do that are called wet nurse and this practise is QUITE old.
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women don't have right to drop baby into waste bin.
Not only women have no right to drop babies into waste bins, men don't have that right either.
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fetus, baby, child, man feel pain and death the same way...
Animals feel pain and dying as well.
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embryo is a new being too and also deserve protection from bad people...most propably can live in warm vat of water with feeding pipe attached...
No, they can't. Not now, and not anytime soon.
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bad and rude people don't deserve equal rights...
Who decides what and who is bad and rude? Also, you've already decided that men and women shouldn't have equal rights because you allow men full control over their body, but women not.
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artu
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posted January 08, 2026 09:32 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:34, 08 Jan 2026.
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JollyJoker said:
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fetus, baby, child, man feel pain and death the same way...
Animals feel pain and dying as well.
His claim is wrong. A fetus in a legal abortion phase doesnt feel any pain or has any awareness of death. Their neural system isnt that developed yet. A comparison to animals with sentience is therefore flawed. They are more like microorganisms regarding this.
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phe
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posted January 08, 2026 09:37 PM |
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fetus, baby, child, man and animals feel pain and death the same way...
they are definitions of bad and rude...we can verify every man...
man's body is obligated by law (not choise or full control of body)to work for baby and mother maintanance ...man can get tired, get hurt or get killed by it...
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JollyJoker
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posted January 08, 2026 10:01 PM |
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That's quasi-religious nonsense.
About fetusses and them feeling pain - yeah, nervous system isn't developed enough before the 24th week or so for that - that seems to be the current understanding.
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