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but it's hardly the root of all evil.
WHo said, it was? 
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posted November 24, 2004 05:39 PM |
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i had my first drink (a glass of brandy) when i was 8 years old and i loved it. In Armenia you can drink regardless of your age (because nobody cares about the law), but you will rarely find any drunk teenagers, because everybody somehow know their limits.
My favorite drinks are Armenian cognac and Armenian red dry wines. I occasionally drink beer, vodka and ukrainian "gorylka" and "pertsovka".
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posted November 24, 2004 07:59 PM |
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I don´t drink much of the stronger stuff, as truth lies in beer to me, but cognac for sure tastes good (if I would some day again have money to buy some..)...
IMO people who have stopped their drinking to their first (bad) hangover gave up too easily. It´s just the matter of training..
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posted November 24, 2004 08:28 PM |
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Twist my words why don't you? I DIDN'T say that you can't have fun without alcohol, i said you are missing out.
When i started drinking i couldn't take much.. Now i can, i may not be as good as other posters here, and thats not sad... because i have a good time why my friends when we drink and party... we partied once without alkohol, and yes it was funny.. but the other thing was funnier.. because then your party-animal gets unleashed and you freakout and have fun...
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posted November 24, 2004 09:16 PM |
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Huh? My post was not directed to you, TRD. I was just entering the discussion.
And I didn´t say you must drink so much, of course you should only drink what you can bear.
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TheRealDeal
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posted November 24, 2004 10:42 PM |
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I think my mind forgot that part of drinking
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Svarog
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posted November 25, 2004 03:35 AM |
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Hmm, there's something I've wanted to tell Daddy, terje and wolfman some time now, and this is the place.
You guys, dont know what you're missing. I'm ok when someone's tried and doesnt like it, but rejecting the drink of the gods without even tasting it or after the one and only drinkcrash (when u had too much, without control) is equal to celibacy.
The taste of it, is not why people like it, to be honest. I mean at first, but then it gets better and better.  Still, I think if it wasnt its magical effect, few would have drunk it long enough to start liking it.
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I can have the same fun without the alcohol, be sure - I have nice evenings full of fun without drinking the hell outof it. And I don't really think that i miss sonething.
Nice to hear that, but let me tell you smth. The fun is always proportional to: (fun you have withot drinking) x (amount of alcohole you consume) x (ability to walk in a straight line)
Why? People drink because they lack self-confidence and complete freedom to do everything that comes on their mind. With alcohole this problem is eliminated, and there's no telling how much more fun you'd have. Unfortunately, the key word here is "do", so if you're so drunk and unable to "do" what you have in mind, then no fun for you this night, mister.
To all those alcohole mormons out there. Try it, be drunk for a night on a good party, and then we'll speak.
Note to alco-virgins: Take it one at a time, cos it always takes less booze for you, than for your friends, to get drunk.
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posted November 25, 2004 03:52 AM |
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I don't like the way this thread is going... as a Canadian we need to have beer. Because life without beer is sad. understand we don't need to be drunk, tho sometimes we might indulge But we need to always have beer..and we need to always have hockey. But this year we have no hockey... so its a hard hard time for us here.. and now to even talk about no beer! that's just cruel, cruel cruel cruel. There would be some sort of mass suicide here is they took away the beer too.
I'm with Svarog, don't let one bad experience ruin you on alcohol - learn from it, know your limits. Too much of anything is bad, but when you get it just right its pretty darned good  Now take off, eh?
*tips my beer bottle to y'all*
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posted November 25, 2004 09:04 AM |
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Now take off, eh?
You've probably heard this joke before, But I have to do it.
How do you spell, um, the name of your country?
C eh n eh d eh
It's better spoken verbally....
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posted November 25, 2004 02:15 PM |
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Hmm, there's something I've wanted to tell Daddy, terje and wolfman some time now, and this is the place.
You guys, dont know what you're missing. I'm ok when someone's tried and doesnt like it, but rejecting the drink of the gods without even tasting it or after the one and only drinkcrash (when u had too much, without control) is equal to celibacy.
It's not one drink crash that made me reject it.
Actually, it was several
No. I drank somewhat regularly (hmm. That sounded like I was an alcoholic ) from I was 16 until a few months after my 19th birthday. Sure, I had fun. Sure, I can lose most of my self control (even though I stirved to maintain at least some of it) and forget that I have very low self esteem for a while. But for what cost?
I put my mind to it for a while, and tried to analyze it with my reason. And I realized that what I gain in self confidence when I drink, don't stay with me when I get sober. So, I reasoned, drinking is actually further cripling my social skills, by removing my wits from me when in times when I could have needed them. I gain some self confidence when I drink, but the time I spendt drunk could be spendt sober, trying to learn more social skills, by conversing with other people in a sober condition; social skills that, unlike the alcohol enhanced social skills, stays with me when I get sober.
I hope this clear things up a bit...
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Daddy
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and why not.
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posted November 25, 2004 04:19 PM |
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Well, I did never say that I don't drink anything anymore  Just not so too much a bit more, so the "limits losen up a bit" is definitely ok - I am not a drastic anti-alocoholic
I just don't drink very much^^ (and not very often, too)
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posted November 25, 2004 04:49 PM |
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Usually when people refuse to drink is... why do i even bother? .. JUST START DRINKING! .. I'm now saying "get drunk everyday" .. but at parties, get drunk. and go to a lot of parties.
/agree Svarog
/agree Pandora
/agree TheRealDeal
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Heroine at the weekend.
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posted November 25, 2004 05:11 PM |
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*ahem* Irishman here
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pandora
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posted November 25, 2004 05:32 PM |
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He probably just assumed you were already drunk Asmodean
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posted November 25, 2004 10:24 PM |
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Ok, now this is a thread for me. Alcohool was, is and probably will remain a major part of my life. If have started drinking from a rather early age, and in only a few years I have progressed to a 'vodka is water' way of life. If have had a lot of great moments involving alcohool, but I have felt the downsides more than once, as illnes from drinking to much started consuming me.
Now, let me start by praising alcohool. I started drinking around the age of 13, starting with liqour. I then progressed to beer, gin tonic, vodka and cola, straight vodka, and later vodka gin and tequila (tall glass). I always liked the taste of it. I find high quality vodka (Finlandia, Absolut) better than anything. I drink regulary and spend a lot of money on it. As a social side, I think that the best moments in my life were sitting in a pub, with my friends, listening to music and having a drink. It is a great way to socialise, as long as you drink with measure. But I never needed measure. I know my limits, and so I stop drinking when I know I'm going to fall. But most times I'm in the company of people who don't know their limits, so I just drink a lot. i drink whenever I get the chance. I drink everywere. I'm not doing it because I'm depressed or have low self confidence, I just love the taste. Of course, vodka and depression always go well together, and a few glasses always cheer you up. But, as I was saying, my drinking habit degenerated, and now, although there are days I drink Finlandia or Jim Beam (high quality and expensive drinks), I find myself the next day drinking 1$ a bottle moonshine vodka. But I just love it. I love the taste, I love the feeling, everything about it. And I went from having loads of fun at partyes with my (drunken) friends to sleeping in parks. But I still love to drink, and I will never stop.
Now terje sayid something very nice about his mind. And he was right. Booze is a mind killer. I had what was called an elephant's memory. I remembered everything, and never forgot. I also love history, and read hundreds of books. But lately, I find myself forgetting things, even simple ones, like what I did to days ago. My memory is slowly decaying. Also, my liver and kidneys hurt like hell and I sometimes can't move because of the pain. Because I never ate healthy, now my stomach has goon to hell too. i am, in a way, a wreck. But I really don't care about myself, so I still keep drinking.
You would think that the sad part is me destroying my health and my mind willingly. Not really. I'll tell you what hurts me the most. I meet a lot of new people because I'm of a social and friendly nature. And because of this, I make a lot of, well let's not call them friends, just pals. Anyway, everybody has their problems. And because I'm so friendly, I get to share them. And, fallowing my example, these people start drinking; they see me so happy and relaxes, enjoying everything and always smiling. And when I'm asked what my secret is, I say alcohol. And they start drinking. Now I know, your first thought would be that these are weak-minded fools, that just don't have the strenght to say no. Well, so of them indeed are, but most of them just do it because they like it. Thay like the taste, and they like the refuge that it gives them. And this is what I now regret. One of the most painfull moments was when I saw my girlfriend sick, coz I knew it was my fault, since we'we been drinking so much. Of course, she said not to say sorry because she did it of her own free will, and she can stop when she wants. Fortunately, now she's fine.
Looking now from another's point of view, I must be a despicable, worn out, low human beeing. Unfortunately (for them) I still love alcohol and will never stop drinking.
I haven't said half the things I wanna say about alcohool in this post, but I'll come back later if I'm not boring you.
And as a side note, my first line to the girl that was to become (and still is) the love of my life was:'Want some vodka?' And she's such an amazing person...
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posted November 26, 2004 03:21 AM |
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Terje, i don’t get you, man. You say you had fun, but you stopped because you wanted to “develop your social skills” further? That’s so.. so…bureaucratic and sterile, dude.
I believe, “feel” is more important than “think”. I cherish the glorious triumphant victory of emotions over reason. So freakin poetic, but its true.
Now, frostwolf,
You my friend, have a problem. By the symptoms, I believe you’re in a serious state of pathological alcoholism. I’m afraid if you don’t ask for help, your condition may only worsen.
That’s not what I meant, when I said drinking is fine. It is, until it starts affecting your normal activities and accomplishing your goals. As much as alcohol can be a party booster, it can really be a psychological sanctuary for weaker people, which eventually feel safer there than in the real world and spend their lives in such condition. It’s then when it starts destroying your health, as it already does with yours.
Otherwise, when you drink moderately, nothing happens to the mind. Alcohol isnt from yesterday. Our ancestors knew about its magic, and they reveled in it. Well, they didn’t survive of course…
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The mind is a terrible thing to waste by not drinking.
Here it is, undisputible proof that drinking alcohol makes you smarter! Believe me when I tell you this because I read about it a few years ago, when I was in University, and based my academic life around it:
In a scientific case study of the "Intellectual Consequences of Drinking Alcohol" conducted by renowned Canadian University, McGill (Officially top 25 in the world), a few years ago, they discovered that from a test group of students with similar grades; those who drank alcohol on a regular basis, were generally smarter than those who were deprived from consuming any during the study's term. So basically, all of these students were evenly matched at the beginning of the test...Half were told to have 3 drinks/a day, at least twice a week, and the other half were told not to have any alcohol whatsoever.
By the end of the study, the group that had to consume 6+ drinks a week, scored at least %10 higher (on average) in every field than the other group. How can this be? Here is the simple explanantion of the results of the study:
*There is a similar element in Nature that can be used in comparison to this study, to explain why the majority of students who consumed alcohol scored higher than the others. In the wild, a heard of buffalo will only run as fast as it's slowest member, when threatened by predators. This animal's brain is designed to keep the heard together in order to increase their chances of survival (i.e. Strength in numbers) So, when wolves would begin to chase after the buffalo, these would begin stampeding away in the other direction.
After a short sprint, the slowest buffalos (sick, injured, & babies) would find themselves at the back of the heard and nearest to the wolves. As the stampede continued, the faster buffalo would not pull away from the slower ones, but would slow down their pace to keep the group together. Thus slowing down the strong majority to keep pace with the weak minority.
As the wolves approached from the rear, they would eventually take down the fragile buffalos and so, the ones that remained would, in turn, all run faster. "Natural Selection in all of it's glory!"*
The study determined that human brains functionned similarly to a heard of buffalo. So, by drinking booze on a regular basis and in reasonable amounts, brain cells that functionned below normal (due to age or imperfections) would be destroyed. Thus allowing the normal or better brain cells to function at their peak abilities!
And if all else fails, just remember that in French alcohol is spelled: "Alcool". SO, that means it's "All cool"!
P.S. Pandora, that was a hilarious burn on Asmodean!
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posted November 26, 2004 11:00 PM |
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Now, frostwolf,
You my friend, have a problem. By the symptoms, I believe you’re in a serious state of pathological alcoholism. I’m afraid if you don’t ask for help, your condition may only worsen.
That’s not what I meant, when I said drinking is fine. It is, until it starts affecting your normal activities and accomplishing your goals. As much as alcohol can be a party booster, it can really be a psychological sanctuary for weaker people, which eventually feel safer there than in the real world and spend their lives in such condition. It’s then when it starts destroying your health, as it already does with yours.
Otherwise, when you drink moderately, nothing happens to the mind. Alcohol isnt from yesterday. Our ancestors knew about its magic, and they reveled in it. Well, they didn’t survive of course…
Well, at one point I did consider that I had become an alcohoolic. And so I said I had to stop. And I did; no matter how much I was offered to drink, no matter how many parties (and belive me, there were tons), I stoped drinking. After a very long period of time, I said: well, I did it. I don't feel the need to drink. So I can continue like this, or I can start drinking again. Of course, I chose the latter. Although, even now, when my liver starts to fail me, I take a break once in a while.
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pandora
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posted November 27, 2004 08:42 PM |
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Thanks for sharing your story frostwolf
To Binabik, sure I've heard that one, it's gotten me through many spelling tests in grade school eh
I gave a few QP here, keep up the discussion guys!
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posted November 27, 2004 09:03 PM |
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Terje, i don’t get you, man. You say you had fun, but you stopped because you wanted to “develop your social skills” further? That’s so.. so…bureaucratic and sterile, dude.
That's OK. I hardly even get myself, half of the time Besides, I have started to think that this strategy is a little flawed...
Bureaucratic and sterile? Well, it's as good a description of me as I've ever heard. And sadly, it's true...
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I believe, “feel” is more important than “think”. I cherish the glorious triumphant victory of emotions over reason. So freakin poetic, but its true.
As I (almost) always say: Everything's best in moderation, and with reason/emotins, it's best to mix them 50/50. Although I tend to mix 'em with *a little* more reason than emotions...
To get back on topic.
Leo_Lion, what you posted seemed to make sense, but again, everything with moderation. Just look at Frostwolf. Used to have the memory of an elephant, he said, but now it's beginning to fail him.
I have this one little thing I wonder about, thou':
How do you know that the alcohol *just* (I know you didn't say just, but anyway...) kill off the old and damaged barin cells? How can a non-sentient liquid (or, more precicely, nerve poison) know which brain cells to "target"?
Is it just that the younger and healthier braincells are more resistant to the alcohol?
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