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dung - n. waste matter dropped by domestic animals (esp. cattle) used on fields as manure.

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blackies - average level 7 creature, inmune to all magics...


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blackies - average level 7 creature, inmune to all magics...


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a behemonts or archangel can beat a black dragon that's the reason

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blackies - average level 7 creature, inmune to all magics...


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a behemonts or archangel can beat a black dragon that's the reason

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A lightning bolt can beat a Behemoth or Archangel, TOSSER

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use magic??? ok cast antimagic DOUBLE TOSSER

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use anti magic??? ok cast lightning on champions instead TRIPLE TOSSER

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Dungeon has:

1: Troglodytes
2: Harpies
3: Evil Eye
4: Minotaur
5: Medusa
6: Manticore
7: Red/Black Dragon

....wow im impressed ..so much insight.

Ordinarily, with most towns you can wander around with level 1/2 creatures in the early turns and kill stuff to release mines and so forth. You can't do that with Dungeon! The lack of a level 1/2 shooter really hurts.

....BS

Therefore, you need to work on upgrades mightily quickly, moreso than with other towns. Evil Eyes are also fairly weak for attacks, but they do at least provide that shooting option.

...some more BS

More than likely, you will be waiting for the Medusa.

...hell of BS

Now, Medusas you might think are sucky because they don't shoot very many shots, so you are tempted to get Medusa Queens. Don't do it. Not early on at least. You also probably think that you should upgrade Harpies so that they don't retaliate. Again this is a bad move.

....another BS

In Dungeon, your key troop is the Manticore. It is the best level 6 creature in the game,

.....yeah keep the BS flow

and nearly as powerful as the Dragons.

.... pure noobie BS.

Once you have Manticores, then enemy castles will fall. This is how you should use it. Take out enemy castles as soon as you can, and their level 5/6 creatures will be no match for the Manticore.

.... some funny BS.

Also, its flying ability virtually negates the advantage of them being in the castle.

..... blah BS

If you are forced to play a long time with just the one castle then Dungeon is not a good one to have. Whilst the mana pool and experience boost are great for pumping up level 1 heroes, you simply run out of money too quickly.

..... laughable BS

If you are used to playing HOMM2, then you probably think that Black Dragons will be all powerful. This is a mistake. In HOMM3, the level 7 creatures are very well balanced, and Black Dragons, whilst being more expensive than other level 7s, are no more powerful. If anything, this expense effectively makes them weaker than other level 7 troops.

...... u shouldve-better-stayed-with-H2-BS

So what do you do endgame? You get yourself a different castle.

...... noobie-talk-BS

Dungeons are good for crushing your enemies quickly.

......  u-ve-no-idea-what-u-are-talking-about-BS

They are probably the best for doing that. You will have opposition from Fortress (Swamp) towns, but the rest will crumble fairly easily.

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Manticores can be bought with less money and less different prerequisite buildings than things like Champion areas, making them more effective.

... simply-not-true-BS

Also, unlike the other level 6s, they can fly, making them ideal for castle assaults.

.... not-really-BS

Just try to assault a castle with your champion. It won't work.

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Another thing to add credibilty to the whole "Dungeon town castle assault" idea is this:

... uve-an-idea-let-me-laugh-BS

If you are defending a castle, well, you won't usually have all of your troops in there (especially not early in the game). Your castle will be taken by surprise, and you will only have a fraction of your troops, and probably a level 1 hero to defend it with. This is because your actual main troops will be out exploring.

... u-gonna-get-tricked-by-AI-allday-BS

You never attack a castle when you have less troops than they do, or even if you have similar troops to them (especially not early on when your heroes are weak) because you need to combat things like the moat and the towers. So it is a given that you will have more troops. If you don't have more troops then you haven't planned it well. Taking that into account, the whole 1vs1 thing doesn't make much difference. The issue is whether the Manticore can go in there.

....im-holding-my-stomach-BS

With your Dungeon Troop, once you have the Manticore, you can fly it over, and upset their archers. Meanwhile, your Evil Eyes can be shooting their other troops away, while your Medusas try to turn their big troop to stone.

...yeah-and-pigs-can-fly-BS

Who really cares about the other troops, since archers and flyers are all that matter on the attacking side when taking on a castle. Getting through the moat is really too much of a hassle. You might have a tank there to absorb some damage and let you unleash some spells. We are talking about a week 2 castle seige here.

... at-least-i-know-which-week-BS

Now, add to all of this the fact that your shooters have a reasonable amount of hps. They can withstand a reasonable amount of damage. More at least than things like Archers/Marksmen and Elves. But less than Magi and Monks. But it is enough for you to win the battle.

Name the best level 6 creature for a castle seige and the answer is always a Manticore.

Oh, you could argue that Silver Pegasis are good, but they are too expensive and too weak so not really worth it. Also, when doing Castle Seiges, it is great to have things like the Harpy Hags who can attack with no retaliation from a distance. While the Manticore has their shooters busy, the Harpy Hag takes them out slowly.

It is perfect.

No other town has the combination to anywhere near the same degree of effectiveness.

... OMG-BS

This is how you use your Dungeon town.

They are not the strongest town long term (Rampart, Castle or Conflux towns probably are - Conflux because of the cheapness of units, and getting twice as many Phoenixes as other towns), but they are the best for attacking castles.

The answer of course is to attack and take over Rampart, Castle and Conflux towns with your Dungeon castle, and set up base in there for later on . Those 3 towns cannot defend themselves against early game Dungeon attacks. But leave it too late and you are in trouble.

... Conflux-is-gay-anyway-BS

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success against who?
Against the AI for the past 7 damn years.

I am not some stupid newbie. I am very good at this game. And I can play all of the different castles.

And if you don't use Dungeon like that, then you're wasting it.

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You guys Are Such TOSSSERS!
Manti the best lvl 6....are you ok ,are you talking about homm3...Hmmmmmmmmm
Harpies/Black Ds are the only creatures that are worth getting any credit...mayhaps the mon kings but the castle only get good with time ( that you don't have in Mps game)imho i think that if you lose to a dungeon in a mp game you a nOOb KING! its just to slow to get it going to mount a good off. against hack or tazer

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...where all n00bs can toss and say how much Andi, Xar, Lews, Haile and myself can learn from guys that actually beat the AI...

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Andi, this is the special tosser-thread.

As long as people stay polite, I guess it's best to keep one thread open where all n00bs can toss and say how much Andi, Xar, Lews, Haile and myself can learn from guys that actually beat the AI...

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