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IYY
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posted May 22, 2003 06:18 AM |
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hmm.. i have heard a saying: 'make fun of the man, not the man's hat.'
You are right. I believe that the H4 titan does not have a very friendly personality. And some even say he can't read.
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Gerdash
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posted May 22, 2003 11:26 AM |
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of course he can't read if he has his hat over his eyes.
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LordTitan
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posted May 22, 2003 11:21 PM |
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The greek hems would suit them better than ye old knight helm.
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whinie_the_b...
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posted May 22, 2003 11:35 PM |
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the helm on lord titans avatar is more like a greek helm
isn`t that from heroes 3?
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LordTitan
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posted May 22, 2003 11:46 PM |
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Yah, but does it matter? I don't like how the H3 Titans have a lightning sword and throw lightning bolts.
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Gerdash
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posted May 23, 2003 01:23 AM |
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The greek hems would suit them better than ye old knight helm.
i must say this sounds a bit confusing.
i don't think it's a real knight helm and i don't think it's a real greek helm. maybe there were those kind of helms somewhere, but to me it looks like som kind of antique-oriented-fantasy-of-modern-people helm. and also it has a touch of futurism in my opinion.
the greek helms, as far as i have heard, were usually made of bronze, and bronze was heavy, and even if they made a bronze helm that covered the whole face, it wasn't as thick as the titan's helm. a typical full bronze helm was a thin helm meant for deflecting things rather than absorbing heavy blows.
anyway, i wouldn't suggest a helm that completely covers the eyes for a shooter. the lordtitan's helm would be ok. and that's also true that the titans holding lightning bolts in their hand looked better than the homm3 ones wielding swords. lightning would be better associated with a spear type weapon, wouldn't it? so why be creative where it's not needed?
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whinie_the_b...
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posted May 24, 2003 10:38 AM |
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old greek helms were more like the titans helm on homm3, nothing at all like homm 4. Made of bronze and not too big, covering some parts of the face, actually just the nose and cheekbones. I was wrong aboud zeus and chronos in an earlier post, chronos was a titan, actually it was zeus' father. Titans were children of gods (gaia&uranus), they were not god themselves but godlike. Zeus had to fight chronos (there`s a lot of father fighting son in the history of the family) along with the titans. Now all those guys, along with the cyclops(uncles of zeus) had the more or less the ability to cast thunderbolts (since they`re offsprings of uranus -the sky). So in homm, both cyclopses and titans don`t really need normal weapons, just their thunderbolts (which cyclopses made for zeus).
Actually they were great forgers, so maybe they could give an ore bonus to the town.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted May 24, 2003 11:28 AM |
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a mythology buff... hehe :)
what he said... but one note on the helms... even though the titans hardly need a helm, for design's sake the perfect type for them would be either the Corinthian (circa 500BC) that protected the face but could be thrown back to protect the back of the neck (something that saved Alexander's life once) or the Thracean (up to the 2nd century BC) that had covers for the sides of the face (cheeks and jaw) but left the eyes free to see at a wide angle
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whinie_the_b...
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posted May 24, 2003 11:41 AM |
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lith:
"a mythology buff"
yeah big time, I read all about uranus, earth and zeus in one night. the story is so insane!
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Gerdash
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posted May 24, 2003 02:04 PM |
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nice, so, as i understand, they had completely mythologically correct titans in homm2.
and btw wasn't it so that chronos and uranus were the same, only that chronos was the greek name and uranus was the roman name?
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Lith-Maethor
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posted May 24, 2003 02:14 PM |
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wrong on both accounts :)
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nice, so, as i understand, they had completely mythologically correct titans in homm2.
I don't recall titans wearing any armor... in fact, before Ares and Athena, no god wore armor...
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and btw wasn't it so that chronos and uranus were the same, only that chronos was the greek name and uranus was the roman name?
...um... nope, both are greek names... Chronos was the youngest son of Uranus (greek for Sky) and father to Zeus
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Gerdash
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posted May 25, 2003 01:07 PM |
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well, yeah, it's been about 15 years since i read about greek mythology, checked some things and it tuned out that i remembered many other things wrong as well that i didn't even mention here.
and the age when chronos ruled was considered 'the golden age' by greeks and chronos was worshipped as a god of fertility and chronos was supposed to have a secret idealistic land somewhere.
but if some medieval style was used in the graphics of homm, what would be more appropriate, following the original legend or the way the medieval painters of the corresponding style understood the mythology? the medieval people sometimes seemed to understand things a bit differently from the original myth. or maybe it would all get too much messed up that way?
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Lord_Woock
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posted May 25, 2003 02:15 PM |
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Dunno why, but the thing on Lord Titan's avatar looks more roman than greek to me...
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Lith-Maethor
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posted May 25, 2003 02:18 PM |
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maybe because it is...
the helm in LordTitan's avatar is a variation of the standard legeonaire helm
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Lord_Woock
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posted May 25, 2003 02:22 PM |
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Why do people call it a greek one then?
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Lith-Maethor
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posted May 25, 2003 02:27 PM |
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ignorance...
ort maybe the fact that Roman helms actually evolved from a Greek helm type...
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Gerdash
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posted May 25, 2003 04:40 PM |
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the standard legionaire helm had a different neck guard imho. lol, if there indeed was something so standard in those times. and didn't the greeks also have similar helms. and i have seen that something is called a greeco-roman helm (this is a fantasy helm, not a real one):
http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/en-us/dept_751.html
also, you can sometimes see that type of helms on greek pottery, although it's more typical that the helm covers the face.
it doesn't seem easy to find pictures of authentic antique helms in the net, but
http://www.larp.com/hoplite/BMgr1.jpg
was said to be a photograph taken in the british museum.
ok, this is what i would consider a typical roman helm (except the first three and most of the last 8):
http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/en-us/dept_197.html
somewhat different from lordtitan's helm, though.
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LordTitan
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posted May 25, 2003 04:43 PM |
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The Romans stole from everywhere, every their religon. The hems were stolen from the greeks, but the romans re-designed them a bit.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted May 25, 2003 07:52 PM |
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getting really offtopic here...
but i really can't keep my mouth shut 
guys and gals, please take a few minutes to actually read the [url=http://heroescommunity.com/faq.php3]FAQ/RULES[url] ...this way you will be able to post cool pics and links for the rest of us who are too lazy to actually copy/paste the urls...
returning on the helm subject... (yeah I know this is getting boring but bare with me... I'm going hyper and my GF isn't around ) what was described as a "Greco-Roman" helm seems to be the evolved version of the illyric type, originally seen circa 650BC but getting a more familliar form (ie: that of the photo in that page) 200 years later... but chances are it is an upgraded version of the Attica helm type (circa 400BC) that was extremely popular in Italy...
don't know how many historians will agree with me but I think the romans were the biggest copycats in history... they took our (Greek) civilization and twisted it to suit their psychology...
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted May 25, 2003 08:05 PM |
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I fully agree with that. For me, there is no such thing as Roman mythology. There are no gods called Jupiter, Juno, Venus, Mercury and Cupid.
It is Greek mythology with gods like Zeus, Hera, Aphrodite, Hermes and Eros (in that specific order).
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