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mustafa620
mustafa620


Hired Hero
Royalty
posted August 27, 2003 06:10 AM

Poll Question:
The Everlasting Battle... Black Dragons vs. Titans!!

In HOMM2, Black Dragons were considered "the best creatures in the game" - or at least the strongest . I don't remember where it said it, but somewhere in that game it said "A Black Dragon can take on a Titan any day of the week!" which was pretty much true, because of the melee penalty and the Dragons had a faster speed so they would go first anyway.

In HOMM3 i think they tried leveling the playing field a little - Titans have an attack and defense of 24 each, and BD's have 25... BD's go first again, and then there's that whole "hatred" thing so they do extra damage to eachother... BUT titans do 40-60 damage when the Dragons do 40-50 (wow. lol) - however, titans are 1000 bucks more expensive, so the dragons take it there too...

Now, in HOMM4, Black Dragons are super-powerful - again. *sigh*. they have 400 hp again, have an attack/defense of 40, and do a massive 55-110 damage. they, as always, have all-magic immunity, which i dont think is such a great thing. spells are GREAT, and can make any creature like 100x better lol. they have a speed of 7, a move of 15, and that traditional breath attack (can they hit friendly units? im not sure)

Titans: 210 hp, 34-50 damage, 32 attack/defence, 6 speed, 7 move. thats basically nothing compared to the Dragons, BUT theres more - first of all, Chaos Ward. the BD's dont have Order Ward or anything so thats great. No Melee Penalty makes up for that inconvenience lol... then there's one thing thats gives them a huge edge. you get ONE BD a week, and you get 2 titans. NOT TO MENTION the Dragons cost Double the price of Titans. AND you can boost up your Titans like there's no tomorrow with some good spells LOL.

So, incase you didn't figure it out, I'm all for Titans lol.
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Titans all the way!
Black Dragons rule!
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zud
zud


Promising
Famous Hero
box worshipper
posted August 27, 2003 07:05 AM

Land Speed

This is all well and good, but with chaos I can build a thief and have pathfinding up very fast.

Blackies have much better land speed to begin with, So My crew is cruising the map, clearing everything.

Order has no good access to scouting, and if u dual class a hero to get scouting and path. it takes forever for him to level up to good pathfinding.

Titans have terrible land speed, so even if you have good pathfinding fast. your still way behind on running a map.

Town portal (If U get it) may help some, but not enuf.
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LordZXZX
LordZXZX


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Overfished
posted August 27, 2003 01:13 PM

Titans used to live in blacky's shadow. But now its almost even. 2 titans vs a black dragon. Pretty close, with  chaos ward they stand tall against the dragons. Unfortunately they require 29000 gold (castle+cloud castle). Not to mention a ton of gems, especially if you chose genies, which is almost always. That's 12+20 gems. Mage guild upgrades also require gems, so buying a titan might take quite a while. I think i can acquire black dragons sooner than titans. I've also experimented a black dragon vs 2 titans. Black dragons won. But with spells the titans won.
I think it's a matter of opinion, but in this case i think the blackies are still better.
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stargazer
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hero of order and life
posted August 27, 2003 02:12 PM

Titans of the world unit kill those blackys
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hero of order and life
posted August 27, 2003 02:13 PM

Titans of the world unit kill those blackys
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Lord_Woock
Lord_Woock


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posted August 27, 2003 02:20 PM
Edited By: Lord_Woock on 27 Aug 2003

Quote:
In HOMM2, Black Dragons were considered "the best creatures in the game" - or at least the strongest . I don't remember where it said it, but somewhere in that game it said "A Black Dragon can take on a Titan any day of the week!" which was pretty much true, because of the melee penalty and the Dragons had a faster speed so they would go first anyway.


Funny thing, I thought the Titans were the only HoMM2 shooters without a melee penalty.

And it was a tavern gossip.
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mustafa620
mustafa620


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Royalty
posted August 27, 2003 04:19 PM

HOMM2 - Titans vs. Black Dragons

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Funny thing, I thought the Titans were the only HoMM2 shooters without a melee penalty.


ok, i just looked up the Titan and Black Dragon's stats for homm2

Titan
      Cost: 5,000 Gold + 2 Gems
      Attack: 15
      Defense: 15
      Damage: 20-30
      Hit Points: 300
      Speed: Very Fast
      Shots: 16
      Other: Mind Spell Immunity, <b>no Melee Penalty(!)</b> and does EXTRA DAMAGE vs. a Black Dragon!

Black Dragon
     Cost: 4000 Gold and 2 Sulfur
     Attack: 14
     Defense: 14
     Damage: 25-50
     Hit points: 300
     Speed: Very Fast
     Other: All Spell Immunity

Ok so i was definately wrong about the homm2 stuff - Titans are slighly stronger and even more expensive! but then again to actually get a black dragon you have to spend 40 sulfur (20 for green tower, 10 for red, 10 for black) and 25,000 gold total, not including any units. So, i guess it was just a rumor

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Lord_Woock
Lord_Woock


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Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
posted August 27, 2003 04:56 PM

It was proved that in 1on1 battle, the Black Dragon will win.
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mustafa620
mustafa620


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Royalty
posted August 28, 2003 05:27 AM

Quote:
It was proved that in 1on1 battle, the Black Dragon will win.


your right, but that doesnt neccesarily determine which one is better, it just shows which is stronger. It really depends too much on spells, the type of battle (for siege i think the Titans are more useful), the rest of the army, and really just about everything lol - i personally like the Titans better, due to their skills/abilities vs the ones of the Dragons, and even though they have less hp you lose less since they're ranged attackers.

and another thing that just came up: i had over 100 genies to create illusions with... i could make 15 titans, but i couldnt make any more Black Dragons (yes, i had both in my army lol - Emilia #2)... but i guess if you chose Chaos it wouldnt matter anyway.
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silx87
silx87


Supreme Hero
posted August 28, 2003 05:01 PM
Edited By: silx87 on 28 Aug 2003

no mustafa,in HoMM2,blackies and titans are both very fast,titans have NO xtra damage against dragons and vuk,archmage also has no melee penalty,so do Titans.
still tho,in HoMM2,dragons take it all!

1more thing:
are blackies realy more xpensive than titans in HoMM4?
just think,u get 2 titans per week,that makes 8,000 and 4 gems
for the dragon u get per week,u pay 8,000 and 4 sulphur
after doing the simple math,we find dat dragons are not at all more expensive than titans!

and another:
u also pay 25,000 gold and 40 gems for titans in HoMM2!

and yet another thing!:
in HoMM2,blackies are a lot better!titans do half damage past siege walls!dragons can fly and have higher damage!
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Draco
Draco


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 28, 2003 05:07 PM

wither way there both really expensive.

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silx87
silx87


Supreme Hero
posted August 28, 2003 05:11 PM

Quote:
wither way there both really expensive.

aren't all high lvl units?
I just proved that dragons aren't more expensive than the other guy!
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mustafa620
mustafa620


Hired Hero
Royalty
posted August 28, 2003 07:28 PM

Quote:
titans have NO xtra damage against dragons


I didn't think so, but on some site it said they do... i guess u cant believe everything you read

Quote:

are blackies realy more xpensive than titans in HoMM4?
just think,u get 2 titans per week,that makes 8,000 and 4 gems
for the dragon u get per week,u pay 8,000 and 4 sulphur
after doing the simple math,we find dat dragons are not at all more expensive than titans!



yea, but you're getting double the amount a week at half the price - id definately rather have 2 titans than one black dragon. the dragon would have 400 hp and do 55-110 damage, the titans would have 420 hp and would do 68-100 damage... however, if you lost one it would only be 34-50 damage. still, i'd definately take the 2.
In a siege battle, i had 4 black dragons and 8 titans. i lost all the dragons (it was the last battle) and NO titans, due to spells and range. In neutral battles, I'd also take the titans, since range is great against the strong but slow creatures, and even just as retal against other shooters... you could cast snake strike or anything like that on them, but not the dragons .

Quote:

u also pay 25,000 gold and 40 gems for titans in HoMM2!



yup, in 2 titans are more expensive by 1000 gold.

Quote:

in HoMM2,blackies are a lot better!titans do half damage past siege walls!dragons can fly and have higher damage!


in 2, flying was like teleporting, which was a huge advantage for the dragons. in 2 i guess the dragons were better - they were cheaper, could fly, and did more damage, even though they had a weaker attack/defence. Again, it comes down to spells.. i mean you could bless your titans, or make it stronger in countless ways.. i guess its just a matter of opinion
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silx87
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Supreme Hero
posted August 28, 2003 08:29 PM

Quote:


I didn't think so, but on some site it said they do... i guess u cant believe everything you read


they have xtra damage against eachother in HoMM3



Quote:

In a siege battle, i had 4 black dragons and 8 titans. i lost all the dragons (it was the last battle) and NO titans, due to spells and range. In neutral battles, I'd also take the titans, since range is great against the strong but slow creatures, and even just as retal against other shooters... you could cast snake strike or anything like that on them, but not the dragons .

nah,I was talkin HoMM2 here,there dragons still rule!

Quote:

yup, in 2 titans are more expensive by 1000 gold.


the same in 3.
actually,I was talkin bout how much the dwelling costs


the att/def  diff aint that big,only 1,and in HoMM2,there weren't much spells u can put on ur titans,maybe bless,bloodlust and slayer,not much...
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mustafa620
mustafa620


Hired Hero
Royalty
posted August 29, 2003 07:11 PM

Spells

thats true, but even Bless makes a huge difference... and you could resurect (sp?) titans, or cure them
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God of Dark SPAM
posted August 29, 2003 07:16 PM

Quote:
but even Bless makes a huge difference... and you could resurect (sp?) titans, or cure them


Bless really does make those Titans super powerful.
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silx87
silx87


Supreme Hero
posted August 29, 2003 07:19 PM
Edited By: silx87 on 29 Aug 2003

true,resurect and resurect true were very rare,but if u get ur hands on 1,it can make a great difference!
in HoMM3 its not as powerful as in HoMM1 and 2.

in HoMM2,titans have lower damage than dragons,there bless is good for them,but doesn't make them superpowerful or anything...
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mustafa620
mustafa620


Hired Hero
Royalty
posted August 29, 2003 08:53 PM

harmful vs beneficial spells

all-spell immunity is basically a blessing and a curse in itself (lol) - its great against death and chaos magic, but then you're missing out on the awesome healing/blessing spells of life and order... im more of a healer so i'd rather be able to protect my creatures and boost them up with magic, but if u dont mind not being able to defend ur creatures, or if ur up against a powerful sorcerer, i guess dragons are a good choice
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silx87
silx87


Supreme Hero
posted August 30, 2003 01:11 AM

nah,order is still mostly bout curses,chaos and nature have some great blesses,life is all about healing and destroying death,but has some great stuff too,guardian angel bein mah favorite!
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mustafa620
mustafa620


Hired Hero
Royalty
posted August 30, 2003 01:17 AM

Quote:
order is still mostly bout curses
this isnt too much of a blessing, but making tons of illusions of your titans (with your genies/hero) is fun, not to mention a huge help
Quote:
chaos and nature have some great blesses
nature is mostly summoning, but snake strike and haste are pretty good.. what annoys me is that chaos has those exact same spells with different names (first strike, speed) - maybe if they were oposites it would be ok, but they're allies!
Quote:
life is all about healing and destroying death,but has some great stuff too,guardian angel bein mah favorite!
along with a bunch of spells that add to the defence of the titans, and ways to heal it after they're hit
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