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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: How do the rewards of the dragon utopias work exactly?
Thread: How do the rewards of the dragon utopias work exactly? [ This thread is 3 pages long: (1) 2 3 ]
angelito
angelito

Hero of Order
proud father of a princess
posted October 25, 2004 02:34 PM
Edited By: angelito on 26 Oct 2004

How do the rewards of the dragon utopias work exactly?

Although i know there are some places where one can read about the rewards of the utopias, i have decided to make a thread about that today, coz i was asked the last days, why u donīt get 4 relics all the time when u defeat a full utopia.

First of all, i want to write down the dragon posibilities when fighting an utopia.

30% chance of facing 1 Black, 2 Gold, 5 Red, 8 Green
Reward: 1 treasure artie, 1 minor, 1 major, 1 relic, 20.000 gold

30% chance of facing 2 Black, 3 Gold, 6 Red, 8 Green
Reward: 1 minor, 1 major, 2 relics, 30.000 gold

30% chance of facing 3 Black, 4 Gold, 6 Red, 8 Green
Reward: 1 major, 3 relic, 40.000 gold

10% chance of facing 5 Black, 6 Gold, 7 Red, 8 Green
Reward: 4 relic, 50.000 gold



Now comes the misunderstood point i think...What is a relic? Some people think, a relic as an artifact which raises all your stats (like sword of judgement) or give you all spells of a specific magic school (like tome of air).
But that is not the whole truth, there do exist 23 relics in the game.

Here is a list of all of them:

01. Tome of Air
02. Tome of Earth
03. Tome of Fire
04. Tome of Water
05. Spellbinderīs Hat
06. Red Orb
07. Black Orb
08. SeaCaptainīs Hat
09. Boots of Levitation
10. Angel Wings
11. Endless Sack of Gold
12. Titanīs Gladius13.
13. Sentinelīs Shield
14. Titanīs Curias
15. Thunder Helmet
16. Dragon Scale Armor
17. Crown of the Dragontooth
18. Sandals of the Saint
19. Celestial Necklace of Bliss
20. Lionīs Shield of Courage
21. Sword of Judgement
22. Helm of Heavenly Enlightment
23. Boots of Polarity


So when u face a full tope and get 4 relics as reward, it could be possible, u get the relics number 19, 20, 21, 22, which means +18 to all stats, or u could get the relics number 8, 9, 11, 23, which means ....crap..

On the other hand, donīt be disappointed when u enter a tope and there is only 1 Black dragon....u still could get the Helm of Heavenly Enlightment as reward.... (besides 2 eagle-eye arties and a vampires cowl....)


I hope i could avoid some missunderstandings  
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Conan
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posted October 25, 2004 04:57 PM

what is a treasure artie? How is it different form a minor or a major?
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Lord_Woock
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posted October 25, 2004 05:02 PM

Treasure artifacts on average give lesser bonuses and are more common. Sometimes you can find them in treasure chests, which is the reason for their name.
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angelito
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Hero of Order
proud father of a princess
posted October 25, 2004 05:24 PM
Edited By: angelito on 26 Oct 2004

OK...here is a list of all treasure arties:

01. Pendant of Dispassion
02. Pendant of Holiness
03. Pendant of Life
04. Pendant of Death
05. Pendant of Free will
06. Pendant of Total recall
07. Ring of Vitality
08. Necklace of Swiftness
09. Collar of Conjuring
10. Ring of Conjuring
11. Cape of Conjuring
12. Amulet of the Undertaker
13. Bow of Elven Cherrywood
14. Bird of Perception
15. Stoic Watchman
16. Charm of Mana
17. Talisman of Mana
18. Mystic Orb of Mana
19. Speculum
20. Spyglass
21. Centaur's Axe
22. Breastplate of Petrified Wood
23. Shield of the Dwarven Lords
24. Helm of the Alabaster Unicorn
25. Skull Helmet
26. Quiet Eye of the Dragon
27. Dragonbone Greaves
28. Badge of Courage
29. Crest of Valor
30. Glyph of Gallantry
31. Clover of Fortune
32. Cards of Prophecy
33. Ladybird of Luck
34. Still Eye of the Dragon
35. Spirit of Oppression
36. Hourglass of the Evil Hour

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sirzapdos
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posted October 25, 2004 05:46 PM

Quote:
what is a treasure artie? How is it different form a minor or a major?

Another difference between the different classes of artifacts is how big a force will be guarding it, if it is guarded. When I mean if it is guarded, I don't mean the wild monsters on the map, I mean when after you defeat those guys, you go to pick up an artifact, and it says:

"Through a clearing you observe an ancient artifact. Unfortunately, it is guarded by a *whatever*. Do you wish to fight the *whatever* for the artifact?"

For example, you might have to fight several Gnolls for the Talisman of Mana, but I can say first hand that sometimes you may have to take down a swarm of Gnolls for a relic.
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Conan
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posted October 25, 2004 06:15 PM

angelito,
where do you find these lists? do you have the ones for major and minor?
Thanks everyone for all your help.
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sirzapdos
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posted October 25, 2004 06:24 PM

Well, a long way of finding out whether an artifact is treasure/minor/major/relic would be to go into the Scenario Editor, and click the artifacts tab. If you hold your mouse over an artifact, it will display where it goes, what it does, and how rare it is, ie, treasure/minor/major/relic.
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FireSpirit
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posted October 26, 2004 06:21 AM

Dragon Utopia often gives combination artifacts instead of Relics. Sometimes you can get 4 of them.

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MysticPhoenix
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posted October 26, 2004 06:42 AM

Quote:
Dragon Utopia often gives combination artifacts instead of Relics. Sometimes you can get 4 of them.


...which is annoying and unbalancing most of the time. To avoid this, you have to edit the map into SoD-format, then no combo artifacts will appear.

There are some people out there, who don't know this, hopefully it will help them.
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angelito
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Hero of Order
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posted October 26, 2004 08:00 AM
Edited By: angelito on 26 Oct 2004

OK....here are the lists of minors and major artifacts..

Minors

01. Ring of Life
02. Vampireīs Cowl
03. Bowstring of the Unicornīs Mane
04. Emblem of Cognizance
05. Equestrian gloves
06. Boots of speed
07. Inexhaustable Cart of Wood
08. Inexhaustable Cart of Ore
09. Loins of Legion
10. Torso of Legion
11. Blackshard of the Dead Knight
12. Greater Gnollīs Flail
13. Rib Cage
14. Scales of Greater Basilisk
15. Shield of the Yawning Dead
16. Buckler of the Gnoll King
17. Helm of Chaos
18. Crown of the Supreme Magi
19. Red Dragon Flame Tongue
20. Dragon Wing Tabard
21. Armor of Wonder



Majors

01. Pendant of second sight
02. Pendant of Negativity
03. Sphere of Permanence
04. Recanterīs Cloak
05. Orb of Firmament
06. Orb of Silt
07. Orb of Tempestous Fire
08. Orb of Driving Rain
09. Vial of Lifeblood
10. Statemanīs Medal
11. Diplomatīs Ring
12. Ambassadorīs Sash
13. Ring of Wayfarer
14. Cape of Velocity
15. Garniture of Interference
16. Surcoat of Counterpoise
17. Golden Bow
18. Shackles of War
19. Dead Manīs Boots
20. Angel Feather Arrows
21. Necklace of Ocean Guidance
22. Endless Purse of Gold
23. Endless Bag of Gold
24. Legs of Legion
25. Arms of Legion
26. Head of Legion
27. Everpouring Vidal of Mercury
28. Everflowing Crystal Cloak
29. Eversmoking Ring of Sulfur
30. Ring of Infinite Gems
31. Ogre's Club of Havoc
32. Sword of Hellfire
33. Targ of the Rampaging Ogre
34. Shield of the Damned
35. Tunic of the Cyclops King
36. Breastplate of Brimstone
37. Hellstorm Helmet
38. Dragon Scale Shield
39. Necklace of Dragonteeth
40. Pendant of Courage


Thatīs all folks..
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sirzapdos
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posted October 26, 2004 03:08 PM

Quote:
OK...here is a list of all treasure arties:

07. Ring of Vitality

OK....here are the lists of minors and major artifacts..

Minors

01. Ring of Life

Hmmm, is this right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't both Rings do EXACTLY the same thing?
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angelito
angelito

Hero of Order
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posted October 26, 2004 04:15 PM

I was wondering myself, but as u can check it in the editor, they are both classified different.
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sirzapdos
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posted October 27, 2004 03:02 AM

Yeah, you're right. That's so strange.

The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want those 2 to be popping up constantly. Maybe they figured it would be too easy to get both early, and that getting those 2 together early would be imbalanced. Either that, or to reduce the chance of getting one if you choose Artifact as your choice.

Actually, now that I think of it, can heroes get Minors if they choose Artifact? It's been so long since I've chosen Artifact, I can't remember if it's possible.
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Jebus
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posted November 11, 2004 05:12 AM

Angelito,
would it not have been easier to post all the list at the same time???  LOL

(hind sight is 20/20 I guess)

I know I know, you're gonna smoke me again in our next game!!!  (sigh!!)  LOL




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posted November 11, 2004 12:15 PM

If anyone knows: how big is the surrender cost reduction with ambassador's, diplomat's ring...?

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posted November 11, 2004 05:16 PM
Edited By: Xarfax111 on 11 Nov 2004

Quote:
If anyone knows: how big is the surrender cost reduction with ambassador's, diplomat's ring...?


Ambassadors Sash, Diplomats Ring and the Statesmans Medal are the three arts that reduce the cost of surrendering .

Unfortunately they are called “diplo arts”, although they don’t have any other effect then reducing the cost of surrendering. They have no influence on joining creatures.

Each of the 3 arts reduce the cost by -10%, means u still have to pay 90% of the surrendering costs. They add up, so if uve all 3 arts u only have to pay 70% of the surrendering costs. Additional to this the diplomancy skill can give u cost reduction, which add up to the arts (-20% Basic; -40% Advanced; -60% Expert). Even though the arts work without Diplo.

The surrendering costs are already half of the prize uve to pay if u want to buy a new creature. Also uve to pay no resources.

It sounds more complicated as it is, so here is an example:

U want to surrender with 1 Archangel, Expert Diplo, all 3 arts:

Archangel cost 5000 plus 2 gems
Surrendering costs: 2500 no resources

-60% Expert Diplo
-10% Ambassadors Sash
-10% Statesmans Medal
-10% Diplomats Ring
= -90% in total

So uve to pay 10% of the Surrendering costs, which is: 250 gold.

Back to TOH Season I+II those facts were known by heart by the players cause “hit n run” was still allowed and it could be bad to run out of money while doin it .

If u wanted to do 4 “hit n runs” with 1 Archangels, u needed

20 000 gold with nothing
14 000 gold with expert diplo
13 000 gold with expert diplo +1art
12 000 gold with expert diplo + 2arts
11 000 gold with expert diplo + 3arts

If u wanted to do 1 hit n run with 5 Archangels, u needed

15 000 gold with nothing
7 500 gold with expert diplo
3 750 gold with expert diplo + 3arts.

Of u shouldn’t forget to check shackles with a scout before beginning a nice hit n run.

Xarfax1

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Lord_Woock
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posted November 11, 2004 05:30 PM

Quote:
If u wanted to do 4 “hit n runs” with 1 Archangels, u needed

20 000 gold with nothing
14 000 gold with expert diplo
13 000 gold with expert diplo +1art
12 000 gold with expert diplo + 2arts
11 000 gold with expert diplo + 3arts
According to your info, it would be:

20 000 gold with nothing
8 000 gold with expert diplo
6 000 gold with expert diplo +1art
4 000 gold with expert diplo + 2arts
2 000 gold with expert diplo + 3arts


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Binabik
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posted November 11, 2004 05:41 PM

I very rarely surrender, so don't have much experience. But it always seemed to me that surender cost was inconsistant. I thought maybe arts you are carrying was a factor for cost. Anyone know about this?
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Xarfax111
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The last hero standing
posted November 11, 2004 06:01 PM

Quote:
11 000 gold with expert diplo + 3arts


Its....

4 times 2500 for the Hero and
4 times 250 for the Archangel

in total:

11.000 gold.

Of course u dont need to pay for the hero when u surrender, BUT u need 2500 gold to rebuy him in the tavern of course... otherwise u wont be able to continue the hit n run ... and if u r unlucky and ran out of money your main would be lost maybe.
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Lord_Woock
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posted November 11, 2004 08:24 PM

My bad I just tried reducing that 20,000 by the apropriate percentages
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