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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 10:46 PM |
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War-overlord said:
It states exactly there that it was a toxic pigment.
Only thing was, it wasn't the first and only.
I'm not saying Paris Green ain't got nothing to do with it, but the connotation was there before the product.
I believe that it's mainly because of the Paris Green. As it was widely used as an insecticide.
War-overlord said:
First, Purple isn't dominant in H7.
Second, this game isn't made for Celts and Ancient Egyptians, nor are the Chinese a primary demographic. The game is marketed towards a Western audience, made by Western Artists. They are gonna use colours that make sense and speak to Westerners.
You cannot blame for growing up in the culture that they grow up in.
It's dominant in units, so it's like the 2nd color after green. Also French, Britons and Germans have Celtic origins and Chinese people are a big chunk of the heroes fans, while black is the most used international funeral color. So yeah, they are making the game for Celts (somehow) 
War-overlord said:
I'm not going to bother repeating the pics.
First, I never claimed that H3 was in any way Gothic.
However I do claim that Blizzard Scourge Architecture is not as actively trying to be Levantine.
But you don't deny that Warcraft's Scourge/Nerubian and H7 Ashan necro architectures are extremly similar?
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No, it was before as well. Just not as succesfull. The Forsaken worked in Vanilla WoW and BC to create that Blight and test it and has PC's aid in the process.
But weren't they fighting the remains of the scourge and the scarlet crusade at that time, that were truly evil factions?
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GenyaArikado
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posted April 04, 2015 10:47 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
GenyaArikado said:
You just justified W-O. Just changed the date from 19th century to classic era which gives further credence to his point. Well done
I stated that every-time I talked about the green color  And it's an insecticide, you know? It was corrosive only when mixed with lead arsenate.
Also you got a tendency to hide behind W.O's statements. Like everytime. I wonder what would you do if he posted anti-Ashan arguments?
In the Necropolis case do what i do usually and point out that most of the snow that Ashan "ripped off" was in since MM8. IE: Pretty vampires, pretty swordwielding vampires, vampires and necromancers dressed in spider clothes and green necromantic magic
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 10:52 PM |
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Yet, you have never played MM8. Necromancers don't have anything to do with spiders (Dark elves do) and the outfits you claim to be "canon" for necromancers are customizable and can be used by any character, they aren't starting gear. Also they had Dracula types of vampires, the character you saw was a player which can equip every weapon/armor in the game. There was no green, that was a faint cyan, and anybody can see the difference. After I proved you wrong already in the discussion thread you still continue with this gibberish
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Sligneris
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posted April 04, 2015 10:52 PM |
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verriker said:
Alex_Yakub said:
Ashan is good world, with a deep lore, and we have to face it, old worlds, where lore is virtually nonexistant, are not even comparable to it in this regard.
seriously, just because a couple of you guys keep saying that, it's not gonna magically make it true lol
Well... That's where I agree with Alex, and like I said earlier, I'd really like to know what kind of problems are there with Ashan lore, if you believe that it's not true.  Are there some kind of internal contradictions? Something that's unclear about said lore?
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Sandro400
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posted April 04, 2015 10:56 PM |
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Guys, I believe we're witnessing a logical and inevitable situation. IMO Erwan should actually say thanks to Galaad, Verriker, LizardWarrior and Stevie. Let me elaborate.
You see, it is my understanding that they generated so much hatred etc towards Ashan, that a natural process occured. I believe it's called "propaganda overflow" - in our case, so much hatred generated turned more people into Ashan fans. "People dislike it so much, why is it so bad..." And people discover that it isn't so bad, and they think that the haters are biased just because their precious Ancient Universe was put aside (again, IMO). And those haters went off the limits with their personal bias towards Erwan. As a result, I've never seen so many Ashan fans in one place.
Thank you, our brave 4 warrior fans! Keep hating more, I say. Priest of Death (the dreaded religious version) already won!
P.S.: @Verriker, I forgot to asnwer you: when I say, for example, "fans of the Old Universe", I do not say ALL fans of the Old Universe.
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posted April 04, 2015 10:57 PM |
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verriker said:
Alex_Yakub said:
Ashan is good world, with a deep lore, and we have to face it, old worlds, where lore is virtually nonexistant, are not even comparable to it in this regard.
seriously, just because a couple of you guys keep saying that, it's not gonna magically make it true lol
Well, same goes to you, even if you keep saying Ashan is bad, has a bad lore, and should be scraped, you will still be wrong.
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posted April 04, 2015 10:59 PM |
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Sligneris said:
@Zombi_Wizzard: ...I'm an adult, you know.
Are you? ... He he, just messing I didn't want to sound, like I was saying, that no adult would like Ashan. Or that those that like it are childeren. Some would like it ofcourse. But I would say, that it is clear that Ubi games have teenagers and childeren as a target audience.
Target audience for H1 were teens aswell. This has not changed. I would say, tho, that tastes of todays teenagers are a bit diferent than our tastes, when we were kids.
By "Ashan is incoherent" it is probably ment all the retconing done from H5 to H6. H5 was Ashan aswell afterall, but suddenly big part of it is non-cannon? I don't pay much atention to story, but I know that in H5 Necropolis were not friendly spider worshiping morbid budists lol. That's inconsistency. And all heroes, that were supposed to be dead for 2000 years and are from another dimentions of Enroth ... I'm not saying there weren't inconsistancies in NWC era, as I'm sure they were. But like now, I didn't pay much atention to story back then either lol
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 10:59 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Guys, I believe we're witnessing a logical and inevitable situation. IMO Erwan should actually say thanks to Galaad, Verriker, LizardWarrior and Stevie. Let me elaborate.
You see, it is my understanding that they generated so much hatred etc towards Ashan, that a natural process occured. I believe it's called "propaganda overflow" - in our case, so much hatred generated turned more people into Ashan fans. "People dislike it so much, why is it so bad..." And people discover that it isn't so bad, and they think that the haters are biased just because their precious Ancient Universe was put aside (again, IMO). And those haters went off the limits with their personal bias towards Erwan. As a result, I've never seen so many Ashan fans in one place.
Thank you, our brave 4 warrior fans! Keep hating more, I say. Priest of Death (the dreaded religious version) already won!
P.S.: @Verriker, I forgot to asnwer you: when I say, for example, "fans of the Old Universe", I do not say ALL fans of the Old Universe.
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Sandro400
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posted April 04, 2015 11:01 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
You would make a fortune as a stand-up comedian.
Humor - a defensive reaction when there're no arguments. I hope you will not argue that the amount of Ashan fans increased over the last... months
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 11:04 PM |
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Yeah, like the people voted the Priest for the description not the looks Even Stevie voted the priest and it was my 2nd option after the Sorcerer
We are almost the same people anti-Ashan and pro-Ashan everyday arguing. It's a repetitive cycle, no one is actually winning supporters, we are just wasting time
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War-overlord
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posted April 04, 2015 11:04 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
It's dominant in units, so it's like the 2nd color after green. Also French, Britons and Germans have Celtic origins and Chinese people are a big chunk of the heroes fans, while black is the most used international funeral color. So yeah, they are making the game for Celts (somehow)
Purple is Dominant in Dungeon. Not in Necropolis. Not in H6. Not in H7, there it is at best a contrast to the overwhelmingly dominant monochrome.
And the culture of the Celts is so ancient inregard of colour-associations and so overwhelmed by modern Western culture that their Celtic ancestry is hardly gonna matter.
LizardWarrior said:
But you don't deny that Warcraft's Scourge/Nerubian and H7 Ashan necro architectures are extremly similar?
That, I do deny. I'll admit that they bear a passing resemblance, but nothing more than that.
LizardWarrior said:
But weren't they fighting the remains of the scourge and the scarlet crusade at that time, that were truly evil factions?
So? If evil people fight slightly more evil people with vile and despicable means, does that make them good?
The "They may be bast@rds, but they're our b@stards"-doctrine doesn't stop them being b@stards.
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verriker
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posted April 04, 2015 11:10 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Well... That's where I agree with Alex, and like I said earlier, I'd really like to know what kind of problems are there with Ashan lore, if you believe that it's not true. Are there some kind of internal contradictions? Something that's unclear about said lore?
I wasn't contesting that part, I meant the idea of the old worlds having no lore or so little lore as to be incomparable is patently false (not that anyone should even be praising quantity of lore over quality of lore lol)
previously I wrote that the story of Heroes 5 is an incoherent joke, taken as its own entity, and I'm happy to elaborate on that if you want (although everyone from Sandro400 to Marzhin has agreed with that so it might be redundant lol)
Sandro400 said:
Thank you, our brave 4 warrior fans! Keep hating more, I say. Priest of Death (the dreaded religious version) already won!
although I'm absolutely flattered you feel we're having any influence on the series at all, that might actually explain why the four of us were invited to come out to the fan day
you Ashan guys should up your game lol
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Sandro400
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posted April 04, 2015 11:13 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Yeah, like the people voted the Priest for the description not the looks Even Stevie voted the priest and it was my 2nd option after the Sorcerer
We are almost the same people anti-Ashan and pro-Ashan everyday arguing. It's a repetitive cycle, no one is actually winning supporters, we are just wasting time
Stevie? Wasn't it him who actually said "the priest is a good acolyte unit, but not a Lich?"
And wasn't it me who tried hard (and failed) to explain to people that Priest is more skeletal than Socrcerer? ^^
But despite the reasons for voting etc, we will have a religious Lich. Take it or leave it ^^
Na-ah. At first it was me, sometimes WO and Avonu. Now (at least here) the number of vocal pro-Ashan activists keeps increasing and increasing ^^ I don't understand how you fail to see that - Genya and Sligneris and (the fresh example) Nuriel are not old-timers ^^
@Verriker I never thought about it, but now everything fits! That's why it was you 4 who got invited!..
... Although, as I remember, you were not invited...
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 11:13 PM |
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@Sandro: neither Avonu nor WO are pro-ashan They are just the lore guys. Both stated several times this thing
War-overlord said:
Purple is Dominant in Dungeon. Not in Necropolis. Not in H6. Not in H7, there it is at best a contrast to the overwhelmingly dominant monochrome.
And the culture of the Celts is so ancient inregard of colour-associations and so overwhelmed by modern Western culture that their Celtic ancestry is hardly gonna matter.
That, I do deny. I'll admit that they bear a passing resemblance, but nothing more than that.
But we got both green and purple, ain't that too much for a coincidence? Don't forget that Erwan stated in the interview that he plays Warcraft.
The architecture is much more similar than that, I mean they both have the same vision of ziggurats which look nothing like normal ziggurats, but more like towers+spikes. I mean the style is the same, and it's very altered compared to the real Sumerian/Babylonian architecture in the same direction for both games
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verriker
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posted April 04, 2015 11:17 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
@Verriker I never thought about it, but now everything fits! That's why it was you 4 who got invited!..
... Although, as I remember, you were not invited...
actually I was, but I decided I couldn't be bothered to attend in the end lol
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Sandro400
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posted April 04, 2015 11:20 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
@Sandro: neither Avonu nor WO are pro-ashan They are just the lore guys. Both stated several times this thing
That's exactly why I said "sometimes"  It keeps amusing me how you just drop my words like they don't exist.
P.S.: Is it not WO who's now arguing with you because you (again) made unnecessary accusations? ^^
@Verriker, oh, I see. Thanks for telling me.
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 11:25 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
why don't exist
Yeah, but they also drop Anti-Ashan arguments along the way.
Let's not forget we also have Rakshasa and you lost Kim. And you didn't even mention all anti-ashanites or the fact that our comments are always at the top section, while pro-ashan are below, also the fact that anti-ashans were spread among options at the votes
I suspect you are trying to copy Verriker's trollish style? Did Erwan taught you how to plagiarize? 
Sandro400 said:
@Verriker I never thought about it, but now everything fits! That's why it was you 4 who got invited!..
Nope, it was 4 ashanites first (yourself included) but we used our mind controlling devices made using the heavenly forge and top ancient technology to persuade Erwan into inviting us in his lair
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Sandro400
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posted April 04, 2015 11:38 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Yeah, but they also drop Anti-Ashan arguments along the way.
Let's not forget we also have Rakshasa and you lost Kim. And you didn't even mention all anti-ashanites or the fact that our comments are always at the top section, while pro-ashan are below, also the fact that anti-ashans were spread among options at the votes
I suspect you are trying to copy Verriker's trollish style? Did Erwan taught you how to plagiarize?
And again you just drop my words. I'm not arguing about Ashan right now, I just posted a fan theory of mine to which you disagree and it's normal. Come on, man, don't see Ashan everywhere 
What's wrong with Rakshasa? And whose Kim?
Again with this "our comments are top comments" thing? First of all, we discussed it a while ago (iirc even Alci put his 5 cents in that discussion, and not in your favor) and secondly - hey, anti-ashanits time of glory has passed, you reached your peak and now the downflow is a natural thing. It's rare nor to receive that many likes. And we have some moderation at last!
Me? Trolling? I'm damn serious here. And believe me, Verriker's stile can not be copied ^^
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 04, 2015 11:43 PM |
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I'm never arguing, just sharing ideas
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GenyaArikado
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posted April 05, 2015 12:07 AM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Yet, you have never played MM8. Necromancers don't have anything to do with spiders (Dark elves do) and the outfits you claim to be "canon" for necromancers are customizable and can be used by any character, they aren't starting gear. Also they had Dracula types of vampires, the character you saw was a player which can equip every weapon/armor in the game. There was no green, that was a faint cyan, and anybody can see the difference. After I proved you wrong already in the discussion thread you still continue with this gibberish
1- they're dressed with spider themed clothes
2- It's their canon clothes, you literally do the same customization thing in Heroes except it doesnt show in the model
3- Oh dracula the pretty vampire?
4- There was green swirling magic in the pic avonu posted lol
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