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Celfious
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posted October 31, 2003 11:27 PM |
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I would think gas fumes, and factory plants do just about as much if not more damage than all ciggerate smokers. No one will ever smoke as much pot as the casual ciggerate pack a day habbit.
The air argument on your side of this matter, is nearly worthless.
Take that one into court on ciggerates, and the fact that our world leaders arent financing us to find a way for factories to supress fumes, and not creating superior muffler systems for automobiles.
smoke builds up in our lungs, if it built up in metal boxes or something, we would get to wipe it off instead of messing up our air.
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posted October 31, 2003 11:29 PM |
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You're right, doctors have no real role in our modern society.
heh you have no idea how true that is. my girlfriend is a nurse, and she does about 75% of the work that should be done by doctors. (nurses aid does alot too. doctor does probably 10% of what they should)
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Still Marijuana in my opinion smells good, and it doesn't really pollute the air.
I find it smells horrid. and did you know that marijuana is detectable in your system for over a month after using it? Alchohol is in no way this bad.
also i find peoples excuses like -smoking is bad and we allow it, so we should allow pot.- (not a exact quote so i didnt use quote marks)
this is the dumbest thing i ever heard. just because we allow one evil to exist, doesnt mean we should allow all evils.
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posted October 31, 2003 11:39 PM |
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About the air, and secondhand smoke (cigarette or marijuana)
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Secondhand Smoke Can Cause Lung Cancer in Nonsmokers
Secondhand smoke has been classified by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of lung cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).
Passive smoking is estimated by EPA to cause approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths in nonsmokers each year.
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Secondhand Smoke is a Serious Health Risk to Children
The developing lungs of young children are also affected by exposure to secondhand smoke.
Infants and young children whose parents smoke are among the most seriously affected by exposure to secondhand smoke, being at increased risk of lower respiratory tract infections such as pneumonia and bronchitis. EPA estimates that passive smoking is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age annually, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year.
Children exposed to secondhand smoke are also more likely to have reduced lung function and symptoms of respiratory irritation like cough, excess phlegm, and wheeze.
Passive smoking can lead to buildup of fluid in the middle ear, the most common cause of hospitalization of children for an operation.
Asthmatic children are especially at risk. EPA estimates that exposure to secondhand smoke increases the number of episodes and severity of symptoms in hundreds of thousands of asthmatic children. EPA estimates that between 200,000 and 1,000,000 asthmatic children have their condition made worse by exposure to secondhand smoke. Passive smoking may also cause thousands of non-asthmatic children to develop the condition each year.
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A Special Message For Smokers
This is a difficult time to be a smoker. As the public becomes more aware that smoking is not only a hazard to you but also to others, nonsmokers are becoming more outspoken, and smokers are finding themselves a beleaguered group.
If you choose to smoke, here are some things you can do to help protect the people close to you:
Don't smoke around children. Their lungs are very susceptible to smoke. If you are expecting a child, quit smoking.
Take an active role in the development of your company's smoking policy. Encourage the offering of smoking cessation programs for those who want them.
Keep your home smoke free. Nonsmokers can get lung cancer from exposure to your smoke. Because smoke lingers in the air, people may be exposed even if they are not present while you smoke. If you must smoke inside, limit smoking to a room where you can open windows for cross-ventilation. Be sure the room in which you smoke has a working smoke detector to lessen the risk of fire.
Test your home for radon. Radon contamination in combination with smoking is a much greater health risk than either one individually.
Don't smoke in an automobile with the windows closed if passengers are present. The high concentration of smoke in a small, closed compartment substantially increases the exposure of other passengers.
More than two million people quit smoking every year, most of them on their own, without the aid of a program or medication. If you want to quit smoking, assistance is available. Smoking cessation programs can help. Your employer may offer programs, or ask your doctor for advice.
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Over 500,000 deaths from secondhand smoke in the U.S. annually.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Woohooo! That's a good one!
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posted November 01, 2003 03:19 AM |
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arghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
1. there is no such thing as "cigarrete or marijuana".these are two very different things.yes,you smoke them both (you can eat pot,too),but that`s it.
you drink alcohol and you drink water,but you can`t compare this two.
2. i strongly believe you don`t really care about those people who died. it only gives you one (poor,pathetic) reason,why pot should be illegal.and you "proved" how dangerous it is to smoke pot or to inhale the fumes.bah! cigarretes are full of chemical stuff,pot is not.
3. if you care so much for your lungs (and,as i can see, the lungs of other people), buy yourself a gas mask,because air is filled with car fumes that will damage your loungs a thousand times quicker that pot.or you can give pot smokers some money that they can afford a vaporizer.and you`ll all be happy. they`ll be stoned and there will be no fumes that would be a threat to you.
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posted November 01, 2003 03:51 AM |
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Are you a stoner? Do you smoke marijuana? It doesn't help you! You seem to care more about these idiots than real people who don't do that nonsense!
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posted November 01, 2003 04:03 AM |
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oh,idiots???you don`t know what you are saying.
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Wolfman
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posted November 01, 2003 04:04 AM |
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Oh no? I seem to, I said: "Are you a stoner? Do you smoke marijuana? It doesn't help you! You seem to care more about these idiots than real people who don't do that nonsense!"
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posted November 01, 2003 04:10 AM |
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no,i don`t smoke pot.
stoners are no idiots.people who don`t smoke are not "real" people.you know about marijuana as much as i know about making computers,that is: NOTHING!!!!!
think before you accuse people of being idiots.
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Wolfman
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posted November 01, 2003 04:17 AM |
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I know enough not to do drugs, which marijuana is.
It's a real shame true democracy doesn't exist anymore, on issues like this. Marijuana would not be legalized, the Pledge of Alleigence would still be said in schools all over the country, and the 10 Commandments would still be in public buildings where they have been for years.
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posted November 01, 2003 04:19 AM |
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ok,now you`re starting to scare me...
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Wolfman
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posted November 01, 2003 05:06 AM |
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It is Halloween today anyway. 
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Celfious
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posted November 01, 2003 06:15 AM |
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Wolfman, if society was smart enough they could really slam down on potheads. But it seems to me, like society and political offices are full of idiots.
& Instead of running around in circles, why not tell us why pot should stay illegal. If you say pot heads are idiots.. I might have to put you in your place if your old enough. How old are you anyways? I dont want to scare anyone.
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posted November 01, 2003 06:59 AM |
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"Roadside studies show that 1 in 3 reckless drivers tested for drugs tested positive for marijuana."
That was from a commercial from the Ad Council, one of a string of warnings stating that marijuana is more dangerous than people think and can slow reaction time. That is, to some extent, also what alcohol does, but the government did not act quickly enough to illegalize (is that a word?) alcohol before the masses became so utterly reliable on it that not even a constitutional amendment banning the consumption of alcohol could keep from being overturned for much more than a decade. The mistake shouldn't be made twice.
Now I know some might reply with statements saying that comparing marijuana to alcohol is stupid because the effects of marijuana are not as strong as those of alcohol, but considering it only takes one false move to take a life on the road, nothing that slows reaction time, not even marijuana, should be allowed on the roads.
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Celfious
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posted November 01, 2003 07:31 AM |
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Shadow caster
interesting, on both sides I'm pretty sure alcohol was a big part of comparrisons. But that dosnt mean its right or wrong to do so, it would just be nicer not to in this case senario.. Funny how politics work in arguments. (text in text, just a fact. I'm not sayin we're bad here just sayin how things work sometimes)
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1 in 3 reckless drivers tested for drugs tested positive for marijuana
1: Who did the research and how accurate is it?
2: We dont know how many ppl on earth smoke it now. Probability is 33% of human kind smoke pot atleast twice a month.
I totaly agree, nothing should go on roads.
heres a soulution I provide as good legal system for enabling pot.
hence all things so far appear possible including the legalization of marijuana.
Cops should beable to look up licence plate # history. He would find information such as
"They have been pulled over alot of times and theres no broken law."
"Theres no reason to pull them over. Their driving ok!"
The law should be this
You cant have open packs in your car. You have to take it to your house. But if you get in the car, the cops can do a smell test (they have drug sensors in the military) and its punicible by law to have a reading over .01% or soemthing.
It's alowed to transport under 1gram opened.. But it must be thoughroughly consealed with a 3 tape wrap sealed box and no opened tape rolls can be found in the car. $20 fines apply so people will remember if their to stupid to remember they pay for having opened tape in the car, along with the sealed box.
All it takes, is the confiscation of those 2 items.. and tickets apply. If ppl dont remember 3 times its court time. But if theres a reading of pot smoke, and indications like glass eyed, pupils wide.. They take digital pictures. And 1 offence is all it takes to go in.
Like being DUI, with pot being high.
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Wolfman
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posted November 01, 2003 04:26 PM |
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Wolfman, if society was smart enough they could really slam down on potheads. But it seems to me, like society and political offices are full of idiots.
& Instead of running around in circles, why not tell us why pot should stay illegal. If you say pot heads are idiots.. I might have to put you in your place if your old enough. How old are you anyways? I dont want to scare anyone.
I'm 16. No one has said why it should be legal, medical reasons have come up, yes. But if medical marijuana was legalized there would be loopholes so anyone could get it.
ex) "Oww, my toe hurts Doc! I need to get stoned!
Alright that probably wouldn't be ok to the doctor, but there would be some doctors out there who would do it.
That is a very good system, Celfious. However, would there just be a "slap on the wrist" punishment, like in the case of many drunk drivers?
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Celfious
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posted November 02, 2003 04:03 AM |
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1 thing is, jail time mean they have to stop working, and have other people take care of their apartment and furniture.
Community service + fine & restriction from pot smoking with costs of drug tests.
Revoking a license
anything later is jail time.
1 non argumentable reason it should be legalized is, the drug lords get money for pot. (of course, legal system can do a 5 year plan to drasticly stop pot all together but they dont know how so lets legalize.)
Croket Office holders probably get a piece of the druglord money already ;\
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Khaelo
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posted November 02, 2003 04:23 AM |
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I'm 16. No one has said why it should be legal, medical reasons have come up, yes. But if medical marijuana was legalized there would be loopholes so anyone could get it.
ex) "Oww, my toe hurts Doc! I need to get stoned!
Alright that probably wouldn't be ok to the doctor, but there would be some doctors out there who would do it.
I don't think the fear of loopholes is well-founded. Even if medical marijuana were legalized, most non-medical users would continue to support the current blackmarket. Why go to all the trouble of finding a dishonest doctor to diagnosis a serious illness and hand over a prescription when one can just go buy from a street dealer?
Opposing medical marijuana keeps the drug out of the hands of law-abiding sick people but does nothing to the blackmarket.
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Wolfman
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posted November 02, 2003 04:51 AM |
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Celfious, why did you want to know how old I was?
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Celfious
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posted November 02, 2003 08:08 AM |
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I cannot awnser that question.
It's like a magical triangle, I dont know which points to use, and where to make the connection.
Next time you think "it's hard to explain" and you really mean it.. Realize that the person can only understand if they had your train of thought or if you can put it together in a shared language.
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Wolfman
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posted November 02, 2003 08:10 AM |
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Say it anyway! You can't put that out there and when I go to get it, snatch it away!
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