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posted July 30, 2006 11:10 PM |
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I don't know what to say anymore about this.
there was never peace & there won't be any after this.
Any one who say otherwise don't know anything about history.
It will be very simple....an eye for an eye.
Ahh sure you may want to look to where i'm from BTW.
this is will be my first & last post in this matter.....sure many things can't be solved with talk.
If it had worked sevreal decade then it may had the chance now.
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posted July 30, 2006 11:21 PM |
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Well Olmert says he needs 10-14 more days to dissarm hizbollah, but so far the reserves are still being drafted and 2 of my co-workers packed their backpacks and were off to the north. What do you need to draft more troops for? Three whole reserve divisions of 15,000 soldiers...?
I think that what has happened in Qana is just a little taste of what is yet to come, we won't be threatened by a terrorist organization and a corrupted lebanese goverment.
Do you think if it was the other way around and the arabic countries were stronger than Israel, would Israel still be standing...? No we would have been exterminated merciously by the arabs, the only thing that still keeps us alive is that we are strong enough to face them alltogether.
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posted July 31, 2006 06:44 AM |
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Ahh sure you may want to look to where i'm from BTW.
Im sure happy you didnt say something like "**** you stupid zionistic ***,you all die",as most arabic mmorpgs players i've encouterd.
Peace feild in past,and your right that not everything can be solved.
I think i wont post anything regarding this.Eventualy WW3 will start,the sonner,the better i think.Becouse if it starts later,it will be ONLY about nuking one another,you think you saw the best of israel? israel is the 4th of power in world as in army.
@miki dont forget that there is big diffrence then what Ol'mart says and whats gona be..its politics more then everything else.My frindes from police say its gona be a mounths more..I wish it will finish,i really do,but then again,we cant let this slip.
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posted July 31, 2006 08:54 AM |
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Do you think if it was the other way around and the arabic countries were stronger than Israel, would Israel still be standing...? No we would have been exterminated merciously by the arabs, the only thing that still keeps us alive is that we are strong enough to face them alltogether.
I certainly agree with you that the arabs would have slaughtered all the jewish if they had the power to do. However, isn't it exactly the same thing Israeli is doing in Lebanon and Palestine? Self-defense is what the so-called civilized countries of our "modern" world prefer to name this tragedy. Though it looks to me a double standard rather than a "self-defense".
Remember why Saddam was overthrown? Because he owned WMDs, because he was extremely mean to civilians, because he invaded another country. How is it any different than the current situation?
Oh, wait yeah, they are terrorists whom the Israeli are killing, right? So their actions are justified.
If you kill hundreds of civilians by means of suicide bombers or plane crashes you are terrorist, but if you kill hundreds of civilians by means of aircrafts and tanks you are a freedom warrior.
Come on, get real for pity's sakes.
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posted July 31, 2006 08:58 AM |
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So how would solve this? DO YOU have an answer? c'man i whana hear it,if no then dont speak about this. IF you do then tell me ,or send an email to Olmart.
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posted July 31, 2006 09:20 AM |
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No, I do not have any solution to this. I never claimed I did.
I don't want to be misunderstood either. I am no anti-jewish guy. Yet, the claims that Israeli is innocent in attacking make me sick. Somewhere in the previous pages I read that it was a "PAYBACK". That is what I am talking about. Israel is as guilty as the arabs. Talking about revenge is OK. But, putting the blame on the other party and playing for the self defending party is plain bs.
What do you think they - the arabs - were doing all the time? They too were looking for a "payback" for the lands they have lost, for the husbands, wives, sons and daughters they have lost, for the freedom they have lost. Only thing, they did not use jets or tanks to achieve their goal. You, of all people, have no right to call them terrorists because they bombed your cities. Because, then, you will be calling yourself a terrorist.
It is not my intention to justify the terrorist attacks on Israel. It is not my intention to say that the arabs are not terrorists. I am just trying to make my point that the arabs are terrorists as the ones who call them so.
Reading all what I wrote, I realized I am totally lost and gone far off from I meant to say.
If you asked me if I preferred a civilized arabic middle-east or an israeli middle-east, I would go for the second. Yet, do not expect me to agree with the ongoing massacre. What is happening now is not quite different from what the arabs would have done if they had the chance.
On another note, do you honestly believe that the UN and other nations of the world would have acted the same way if it was ... say ... Iran that undertook such a campaign against one of its neighbours?
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posted July 31, 2006 10:18 AM |
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im sure that if Iran called war on any eurpoean\american contry UN would have declared war.
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posted July 31, 2006 10:32 AM |
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The BIG point IS
Letters have been sent, warnings were given... No one is denying it right now, Israel was very diplomatic here, we did not want those casualties. If we want to kill civilians... Well we could do it whenever we want and very easily too, but ofcourse that we refrain from doing that as much as we can. Just last night IDF showed some recorded videos of how hizbollah fires missiles from behind civilian buildings using people as a living shield 
They should have evacuated the buildings like they were told, you don't have the money to take a cab  start walking and get out of those buildings save yourselves!
I just don't believe the arabs anymore after that our planes captured so many palestinian fake funerals, like in this one video they carry a guy wraped in a flag and then they drop him... Guess what he is alive!  He gets angry at his fellas dropping him and ruining his fake funeral and starts running after them kicking their behinds...
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posted August 04, 2006 03:11 PM |
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IMHO this conflict is just another part in israel and USA war vs. arabic countries what the ISRAEL started after WWII in the Middle East just like the Irak war few years ago(which started because US needed their oil) and the kidnappings were just a good excuse for a new war.
JUST AN OPINION
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posted August 04, 2006 04:46 PM |
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So much blood and so much violence, since when has war been anything but? In this day and age people are freer than ever to voice their opinions, and the gullible are quickly swayed in the myriad of word storms. I support Israel, because using my better judgment and a large amount of common sense secures my claim that Hezbollah is a dangerous terrorist organization, whose goals diminish its own people’s quality of life, none the less threaten ours.
Upon the initiation of this war I rejoiced, not because of the inevitable civilian causalities, not because of some petty-propagandist outlook, but because I saw an opportunity to cripple a faction that mercilessly threatens and cripples others. I say continue on Israel, and do what must be done.
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posted August 06, 2006 11:06 PM |
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The war is horrible, so are all wars. But we have to remember that this is not a war between the two countries Israel and Lebanon, but between Israel and the militia Hizbollah and it just happens to take place in Lebanon.
You can't say that Hizbollah is a terrorist organization like al-Qaeda, that is a vulgarization. After all they have a political section that are the only party that represents the large and poor shia-moslem minority in Lebanon. The problem is that Hizbollah have grown into a state-within-the-state and practically control southern Lebanon. Clearly Hizbollah serve Syria's and Iran's interests and worked as their puppets when they abducted the two Israeli soldiers. But Hizbollah is more than just a militia (or terrorist organization if you prefer) and their presence has been tacitly accepted by the Lebanese governtment; they know that it would result in civil war between the sects/groups of Lebanon if they put Hizbollah out of power. They'd never dare. As I said: there are no other parties to represent the shias that rightfully claim to have less influence in the Lebanese state than they deserve. It is also Hizbollah's goal to change the sectarian constitution that Lebanon has because it oppresses the shia-moslem minority. I support the resolution (1559?) that dictates that Hizbollah must be disarmed. That is absolutely necessary in order to stabilize that part of the middle east.
Israels actions are justified, after all Hizbollah was the agressor (why do so many people forget this obvious fact?), and I believe that they're deliberately using the civilians as a shield using the losses to change one's view of Israel. Now, who cares most for human life?
Furthermore when one argues that Israel have killed about ten times as many civialians as Hizbollah one often forgets how large a role the difference of develoment between Israel and southern Lebanon play. The Israeli readiness is much better than Lebanon's.
I hope (but I find it hard to believe) that Israel will be succesful in disarming Hizbollah and destroying their military faction, then we need a UN-force to avoid civil war.
But basically I see this war as a result of the "cold war" between Israel on one side and Iran/Syria on the other.
Unfortunately the american president rejects to speak with states like Iran and does not care about the fact that the middle east conflict is so complicated and carries so many aspects as it does.
What results will you ever achieve if you only wish to negotiate with your friends?
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posted August 07, 2006 12:45 PM |
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What results will you ever achieve if you only wish to negotiate with your friends?
Definitely the some wisdom there.
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posted August 09, 2006 07:02 PM |
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Screw the U.N. and all their toothless resolutions and let the Israelis disarm Hezbollah in their own special way. They brought this upon themselves and are fully deserving of Israel's response.
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posted August 09, 2006 07:23 PM |
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I have to agree with that. These bastards think they can just go around blowing up community centers and killing defensless women and children then I think Israel should be able to deal with them.
What Gootch said, Screw the UN.
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posted August 09, 2006 07:56 PM |
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I've heard an interesting new theory that USA plans to use this war to provoke Iran to get drawn into this war so that they'll have a good "reason" to attack Iran. I am not nearly as certain about this as I was about the Iraqi war in 2002 (I found it really stupid when some people said the USA will not attack Iraq), but it is still an interesting theory. I wonder if there is any truth to it.
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posted August 10, 2006 07:10 AM |
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That's the first I've heard of that. What I do know is that yes, Bush does want to Attack Iran and North Korea but he can't decide which one he want's first. I heard a few months back that he was going to use "Iran has WMD's" excuse to attack them. That may have changed though.
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posted August 10, 2006 09:43 PM |
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i just came back from somthing that only few know about:
this is what i learnd 2 things about israel soliders.
1:im an israely medic ,this was just another day at gaze,my squad and i ware guarding while all of the sudden i was striken with axe in the back by pelestine men,he was young,but then he droped it and rise hands up for sombition.
If you ware team members of hes squad what would you do?
A:shoot the guy dead,kill him,moral eye for an eye...
B:Wound him.
C: arrest him?
This is what happend the team memmbers wounded him badly he was under fetal condition,but now the medic awekend.
what did the medic do?
A:Killed the guy
B:Treated him
WEll the medic swears to help all so he treated him...
Another thing.
an 19 year old soilder in gaze,walking around a vilige palastinic,a 11 year old is throwin rocks on him,the soliders aims hes m16 what does the soldier do from now?
A:Shoots the kid.
B:arrests the kid
C:runs away.
HE RAN AWAY. the kid throw 2 more rocks at him..and you call israels genociders,doh,were the Humene power here.and the 4th' in world.
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posted August 15, 2006 10:58 PM |
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http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp
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posted August 16, 2006 12:16 AM |
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@ Antipaladin.
By posting that link, you're kind of destroying the theory that the American media is run by zionists.
To the rest of you.
I guess I'm a bit confused.
What does Israel get out of this ceasefire?
Did the Israelis get their troops back?
Did the Israelis successfully disarm Hizbollah?
Did the Israelis successfully keep their citizens from harm as far as future attacks are concerned i.e. Did they seize and secure the ground from which these Hizbollah peons were firing their rockets?
Are border towns in Israel safer because of this ceasefire?
And am I the only one who would just love the slap the freaking beard off of Hassan Nasrallah for playing the rest of the world for patsies?
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posted August 16, 2006 04:04 AM |
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Um . . .
Did anyone catch Bob Woodward's interview with Iran's president? I did.
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