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Jebus
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posted June 23, 2005 02:17 PM

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how did EmmZan actually help keep the thread going? i thought the game was based around her.


(I was actually gonna ask this...)


Keep in mind folks (especially Stiven) that I agree that the game was a great idea and I haven't disputed any of the Qp's given to the contestants or the creator.
(I actually kinda regret not playing... could have gotten rid of my flood!!)


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posted June 23, 2005 02:30 PM
Edited By: pandora on 23 Jun 2005

The idea for Wanted was originally created by Sir_Stiven quite a long time ago. He worked hard at finding members to play the game, and that worked out - but his original "bachlorette" bailed out on him. So he was left with no way to implement the game. Most people likely would have said, ah well - forget it, but he kept trying.

Finally he found Emma to do it, and he created the game. You have to think for a second, this is a girl who likely has better things to do than come online to entertain the advances of a whole bunch of strangers on an internet website. She also went into this knowing noone, and is not allowed to look at the site. So essentially, all she is doing is taking some time out of her days, to come online and be here for the member's amusement.

I'm sorry that people don't think that's worthy of some sort of token of gratitude, but I did, and I stand by it.
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pandora
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posted June 23, 2005 02:50 PM

>>Humour<<

It would be great, if you guys could clarify what you mean exactly when you speak of humourous posts. When I think of humorous posts in tavern, the posters that come to mind are people like Bort and LichKing in example - I don't liken their humour to the Wastelands fodder in the least.

The humour I see in the Wastelands is often to the effect of

joe - Ouch, that hurts!
bob - Thats what yo mama said last nite!

Its funny sure, but its not great quality stuff that people will want to read again and again, its not teh stuff that members will revive after a year or so because they think newer members should read it too.

Certainly there are a lot of good laughs in the Wastelands, but what's in the tavern is meant to stand the test of time. Things that will have some value or merit to read years later, even if you didn't know the person/people involved.

I'm not saying I have any qualms with rewarding members for consistantly injecting some lightheartedness into the forums. I think those posts do bring a lot to HC - the question is, are they quality posts?

In example, there was a game where DS posted small portions of pictures for people to identify. I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was something brightly coloured, blue and orange i think. Anyways Svarog's reply was "It's a zebra!" I thought it was hilarious, and Svarog was funny a lot of the time so I gave a star, and some people were livid...sooo...

The question then, is what type of criteria should we use when deciding what types of humour need to be rewarded?
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posted June 23, 2005 02:53 PM

a vote!
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posted June 23, 2005 03:00 PM

Non-offensive, hopefully. I am (and I'm sure others are also) hesistant to make jokes that are indeed funny, but almost slip on the borderline between friendly-like and not. I wouldn't want to upset anybody and make them suffer as the butt of a touchy joke.

As much as I loved cracking up over certain members' "animal love" humor posts, I'd hold back from making those myself. Some people are effective clowns by nature and some others arent.

I just hope things go fairly, as far as the degree of humor is concerned.

-guitarguy
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posted June 23, 2005 03:03 PM

whenever i think i may have crossed the line i add a . to me its like insurance that guarantees that i wont lose anything for making this post. i also think other do this also
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posted June 23, 2005 03:35 PM

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It would be great, if you guys could clarify what you mean exactly when you speak of humourous posts. When I think of humorous posts in tavern, the posters that come to mind are people like Bort and LichKing in example - I don't liken their humour to the Wastelands fodder in the least.

The humour I see in the Wastelands is often to the effect of

joe - Ouch, that hurts!
bob - Thats what yo mama said last nite!


That was actually funny, even if it was not meant to be ... well it at least gave me a smirck on my lips.

Anyways, I was trying not to post in this thread, but I did. I only want to say that humour is very very subjective and it changes with age. What is funny to a 32 year old female probably isn't to a 15 or 16 year old male and vice versa. And that's what makes this issue so complicated.

I think that to give a QP for a funny post, that post has to make everyone laugh, not just a certain group. In the thread "things that should not be ..." there are many great posts and I laughed at alot of them. However, I would not give a QP to it since it would not make everyone laugh. Some people might not find that funny at all and consider it SPAM, what it initially started out as.

In any case, that's my view on it, my opinion, my 2 cents. It's ok if some don't agree with me, I can understand that. I just thought I'd contribute what I thought to "keep the thread going"
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posted June 23, 2005 03:36 PM

Pan,
I understand that many don't take the time to read all the posts in the VW and i don't blame them...

but (you had to see that comming)

basically what I understood is that something funny in the Tavern is more likely to get a Qp because of it's location...  
I can start posting the type of funny chat threads that we've been having in VW (to maybe get a QP or to see if it stands the test of time) but we've been bombarded by the NO SPAM so many may be hesitant to make jokes for fear of reprisal...  It just sounds to me that something funny will be rewarded if it's in the propert context of the tread, which in it self, eliminates the good spontaneous humour that can develop.

Ill use the same example as before...
"stuff that shouldn't..."
was entertaining for a while and many members would sit in the bleechers and watch the show... every so often throwing in a "LMAO" or "Dang that was funny"...
To me, if you have a group of clowns entertaining the masses, that is a potential situation for a funny QP.

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posted June 23, 2005 03:45 PM

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Anyways, I was trying not to post in this thread, but I did. I only want to say that humour is very very subjective and it changes with age. What is funny to a 32 year old female probably isn't to a 15 or 16 year old male and vice versa. And that's what makes this issue so complicated.
Keep in mind that even though humour is subjective, so are many of the topics others get QP's for....  your veiw on philosophy, RL issues, music, art and so on...  I don't necessarily agree with the your ideas or even have any interest in them, but I'll respect that you put thought in the post....
There are alot of members who get QP's for stuff that I don't agree with, but if you can prove to me that that post was a Quality post, then I have no argument.

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I think that to give a QP for a funny post, that post has to make everyone laugh, not just a certain group. In the thread "things that should not be ..." there are many great posts and I laughed at alot of them. However, I would not give a QP to it since it would not make everyone laugh. Some people might not find that funny at all and consider it SPAM, what it initially started out as.



yeah that thread started as spam....  (in the thread)
but when it became it's own monster and grew, there were many who loved it...  how many members were drawn to it just to see what was next??

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posted June 23, 2005 03:54 PM

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yeah that thread started as spam....  (in the thread)
but when it became it's own monster and grew, there were many who loved it...  how many members were drawn to it just to see what was next??

Remember when I bumped the thread just the other month to see if it'd become active again? I was hoping for more laughs. This might be useless for the situation at hand, but I actually thought that the humor in that thread was of good quality. It really didn't seem like ordinary spam.

Although I still doubt it was QP worthy.

-guitarguy
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Jebus
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posted June 23, 2005 04:05 PM

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Although I still doubt it was QP worthy.

-guitarguy


(note to self....  
force choke GuitarGuy later...)

Let me be clear that Im not trying to fight for a QP for that thread...  it's just an example of a very humourous situation that I felt went unoticed...

I was just trying to find out what is considered QP worthy when it comes to humour.

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posted June 23, 2005 04:07 PM
Edited By: Sir_Stiven on 23 Jun 2005

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whenever i think i may have crossed the line i add a . to me its like insurance that guarantees that i wont lose anything for making this post. i also think other do this also


haha now that was a good joke

"its like insurance that guarantees that i wont lose anything for making this post"... all i say is lol

EDIT:

oh and btw, thnx for the "emma participation" post pandora, couldnt had written it better myself.


And as for the reason why pandora has given me so many QP's lately.. its just because i am the greatest

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posted June 23, 2005 05:18 PM

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I respect your opinion.

but you're not ready to discuss it.....

I really don't know how to respond.

(as a suggestion, you may not want to refrain from quoting someone if you're not ready to discuss it with them....)

I also agree to disagree but if you wanted to "just state your opinion" if may be more diplomatic to do it objectively without the quote.

imo





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pandora
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posted June 23, 2005 06:51 PM

Let me try to explain - Conan definately hit it on the head when he spoke about what's funny to some might not be funny to others.

As moderators. we are not to award or penalize posts based on biases that we may have. We should never give a QP because we are partial to a certain perspective/thought/philosophy.. whatever.

Reaction to a joke is based 100% on an individual's own sense of haha... this is much like the reason why I will not QP poetry. Poetry is something personal, and individual - what I enjoy by way of poetry certainly is not the only one accepted form of writing it. Also, were I to QP a poem that someone wrote in a few minutes that I felt was very eloquent and beautiful - what does that say to the person that spent hours composing a poem to express themselves - but their result was a poem I found clumsy, so no QP?

Its the same as humour, there are a lot of jokes I find truly repulsive - but will have others rolling on the floor crying. Things that strike me as hilarious, may seem flat and boring to someone else. Because it's such a matter of personal opinion it becomes something that's rather difficult, and as well unfair to have the moderators judging.

Humour, like Conan said is something that will vary from age group to age group, gender to gender, and  a person's own experience factors in to what they will find funny.

I feel confident in saying that for every "hurrah!" I got for QPing a "Conan and his cousin" joke in the Stuff thread, I would also get a complaint about the same thing.

Understand that I am speaking with the mod-hat planted firmly on my head here. I'm not saying that I haven't laughed at it - my point is that as a moderator there are things that need to be looked at more carefully than some others - this would be one.

A few other things before i switch back to the mom-hat:

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We put in alot of imagination with some of our jokes and just because a quick reply is second nature to me and I can come up with it more quickly than some, doesn't mean it wasn't thought out. The key to being funny is being faster than the other guy....


I understand what you mean, and a lot of these types of posts have been funny - but a bit of caution, "speed posting" as you're describing, sounds a lot to me like spam lol

Quote:
Keep in mind that even though humour is subjective, so are many of the topics others get QP's for.... your veiw on philosophy, RL issues, music, art and so on...


I understand what you are saying here - however the reasons for the QP in these cases is certainly not because the moderators share this view. I have given QP in the otherside to things I disagreed with completely, but I respected the manner it was presented, and thought the post had a lot of merit and that is why it is rewarded, not because of the opinion. This is where funny and serious become so completely different to look at. There is no way I can appreciate funny, if I don't find it funny. It's just a response that you can't control. If i read a joke that doesn't amuse me in the least, how can I step back and say "ah yes, I am wrong, this realy is funny - just not to me."? Do you see my point? To the individual funny is funny, that's it. So as a moderator, I don't know how to fairly resolve this one.

In the example of LichKing, look at this one and you'll see the kind of humour that is easy for a mod. It's original, its funny and it makes no difference if you know him or not. Not just that, but its a longer post, there's enough to it that even if you don't especially find it funny - you can judge it based on the actual posting, not just sense of humour.

Anyways, to Jebus, I feel like maybe you're looking at this as if I am against you - and I'm not, I'm just trying to make it understood what I feel about it, so hopefully through all this discussion we can come up with something.

Final thought: Please do not spam in this thread (and no jebus, this had nothing at all to do with you, lol)
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posted June 23, 2005 07:22 PM

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I feel confident in saying that for every "hurrah!" I got for QPing a "Conan and his cousin" joke in the Stuff thread, I would also get a complaint about the same thing.


this is already the case with many instances QP's have been given so why are you not ready to defend a comical reply or a funny and witty post??  you've dealt with plenty of grief for Qp's in the past but now that "humour is subjective" they should go unoticed?  
Why can't the mods get together and say:" hey that was pretty damn funny! what do you think??"  if many agree then what's the problem???  

Quote:

I understand what you mean, and a lot of these types of posts have been funny - but a bit of caution, "speed posting" as you're describing, sounds a lot to me like spam lol


I'd have to dissagree...  once TTSBITFT thread was cut out and put into the VW or again to the Tavern, all those "spam speed posts" were completely relevant to the discussion...  the thread was created to add boundaries to our tossing.  What's spam for one thread is relevant to another...

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Anyways, to Jebus, I feel like maybe you're looking at this as if I am against you - and I'm not, I'm just trying to make it understood what I feel about it, so hopefully through all this discussion we can come up with something.



there are 2 simple solutions:
CP's (comedy stars)
or take the "funny posts" out of the criteria for QP's since no one seems ready to take a stand on this...

I guess after all this Im left with the impression that I may as well be one to post looooooong "well thought out posts" if I want to gain any ground here....  maybe a poem or story that sucks but I spent hours on....
But since that's unlikely you can find me in the wastelands where I can go back to not carring about QP's!


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posted June 23, 2005 07:55 PM
Edited By: pandora on 23 Jun 2005

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this is already the case with many instances QP's have been given so why are you not ready to defend a comical reply or a funny and witty post?? you've dealt with plenty of grief for Qp's in the past but now that "humour is subjective" they should go unoticed?
Why can't the mods get together and say:" hey that was pretty damn funny! what do you think??" if many agree then what's the problem???


Very true that I've had a lot of grief.

Simple answer is that any other QP I have had to defend, I have been able to quote the CoC and give out clearcut explanations as to why I awarded the QP based on that. In regards to the humourous posts, all I can say is that i thought it was funny.

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I'd have to dissagree... once TTSBITFT thread was cut out and put into the VW or again to the Tavern, all those "spam speed posts" were completely relevant to the discussion... the thread was created to add boundaries to our tossing. What's spam for one thread is relevant to another...


No. To a moderator Spam is :

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SPAM or Junk Posts are not allowed at Heroes Community, except for the Volcanic Wastelands forum. Junk post is a post that fails to address the topic of discussion and fails to provide intellectual or humorous stimulation. Put simply: off topic, not interesting, not funny. These three judgements will be made by a moderator of the forum in question. Spam posts will be deleted and a request to stop spamming will be issued from the moderator. Ignoring moderators' requests and continuing spaming activity will attract consequent penalties and/or silencing. If you feel like your post was considered spam when in fact it is not, you should raise an issue in Turban Tribunal forum. Creating excessive amount of threads in a short amount of time is considered flooding and will be dealt with as SPAM. Creating large amount of replies that contain one or two sentences in a short amount of time is also considered SPAM. Note that large amount of short replies and SPAM are allowed in the Volcanic Wastelands forum.


I understand completely that different people have different definitions for spam, but when modding - to us that's spam. Our job is simply to keep the peace according to Valeriy's rules, and we've really no right to change them just because we feel like it. I do know that certain threads have a certain tone - Tosser's Tavern is another example of where members do talk back and forth, but you'll also notice that my stance on SPAM there is the same as anywhere else. Sure, maybe I think it could be okay sometimes, and sure I think its funny - but bottom line is that I agreed to uphold the CoC.

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I guess after all this Im left with the impression that I may as well be one to post looooooong "well thought out posts" if I want to gain any ground here.... maybe a poem or story that sucks but I spent hours on....
But since that's unlikely you can find me in the wastelands where I can go back to not carring about QP's!


As I said, I don't QP poetry. If that's the way you choose to see it, then I don't imagine I can say much more. My point was never to say that you must write [whatever] to gain QP, and I never once said that I wouldnt QP a funny post.

I simply tried to show you my perspective as to why I find it difficult, and I asked for some input.

{edited to clarify}



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posted June 23, 2005 08:55 PM
Edited By: Jebus on 24 Jun 2005

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Guitar Guy???
what story am I supose to wright again????

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posted June 23, 2005 09:17 PM
Edited By: Conan on 23 Jun 2005

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So to turn that around, I'll leave my comments for everyone to read for the next hour and a half at which point I'll delete all of them exept my very first post, the way I had initially intended it to be.


Done.
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posted June 24, 2005 07:30 PM

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No. To a moderator Spam is :

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SPAM or Junk Posts are not allowed at Heroes Community, except for the Volcanic Wastelands forum. Junk post is a post that fails to address the topic of discussion and fails to provide intellectual or humorous stimulation.. Put simply: off topic, not interesting, not funny. These three judgements will be made by a moderator of the forum in question. .


here in lies the problem...
I can use the coc to argue that according to this, if a post is of a humourous nature or with humourous intent, it is then NOT considered spam....  

this paragraph of the coc, being very broad(?, can leave it up to interpretation...  

Going back to my second option... take the "humourous stimulation" out of this paragraph.  I've always found real deal's interventions as very funny, so therefor how is it considered spam?  (or it should read : "on topic AND of a humourous nature".  In the sense that if you're making a joke but it still relates to the discussion at hand, it is not considered spam.)

hmmm...  you mentioned you were looking for imput....
well I guess you'll reconsider next time eh??  

I know Im being a pain in this regard but I hope people realize (or at least understand) that humour to me is my art, my philosophy and my music.  It's my way of life.  To make one laugh is to me what a beautiful portrait or a classical song is to another...  I would expect nothing less from someone who is defending his or her right to express themselves.  I only ask that MY form of expression be entitled to the same rights and respect of anothers.

Conan,
I have edited all other posts in regards to our previous discussion.  No hard feelings bud.


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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 25, 2005 02:33 AM

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As moderators. we are not to award or penalize posts based on biases that we may have. We should never give a QP because we are partial to a certain perspective/thought/philosophy.. whatever.


wow.

This quote could get me going forever i think

But instead of being judgemental or critise it ill just wait and see how this goes along in primarily other side forum now.

Because before the modchange there the above quote was as far away from the truth as you could get.

But as stated, weŽll see what happens there


As for humour QP's, i agree that they can be hard to hand out.

But..

Thats where youre mod teamwork should apply, ask your colleague what he thinks and if he agrees with you then you have your back up. Isnt any harder than that

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