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Thread: Heroes 5 Strategy: Playing Sylvan Faction [ This thread is 28 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 (14) 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 ]
Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 17, 2008 12:04 PM
Edited by Lesij at 12:04, 17 Mar 2008.

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Well, anyway.. Perhaps someone good with sylvan would write a decent earlygame and antirush guide for dummies? I'd enjoy one. My sylvan sucks through the roof.


I agree with Doom. We need something like that! <stares at Elvin with a stupid smile>
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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted March 17, 2008 12:50 PM

I wish I could help but I'm not much different than Doomforge here. Sure I can play them but don't have the great rushing skill and I'm not sure they can do much against a blind bullrush week 2-3 either. For instance a dungeon with armageddon/meteor or stronghold with an insane ballista look hard to repel to me. Samiekl proposed that I try destructive.

Anyway it's sq79 that could help here.
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forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted March 17, 2008 01:17 PM

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I wish I could help but I'm not much different than Doomforge here. Sure I can play them but don't have the great rushing skill and I'm not sure they can do much against a blind bullrush week 2-3 either. For instance a dungeon with armageddon/meteor or stronghold with an insane ballista look hard to repel to me. Samiekl proposed that I try destructive.

Anyway it's sq79 that could help here.


against stronghold or any other ballista rushers one could choose cold dead and pray for cold spell. thing are not so bright when it comes to dungeon, only magic can stop dungeon and unfortunately it's not easy to get better magic than dungeon.
one more thing about sylvan:
they are so vulnerable to rushes because of low hp and nubers and there is not much what you can do. creep fast and pray

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 17, 2008 01:21 PM

but isn't your army better than dungeon's one?

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forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted March 17, 2008 01:28 PM

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but isn't your army better than dungeon's one?


maybe, but it's hero who i'm afraid of.
my army has low numbers and low hp, no treants nor dragons,
only those sprites elves and stuff with -teen life, one meteor shower and my army is vanish.

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 17, 2008 02:24 PM

OK, but you cannot get  stunning early and late game -_-
You have to choose...

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forest001
forest001


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posted March 17, 2008 02:37 PM

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OK, but you cannot get  stunning early and late game -_-
You have to choose...



true, sometimes you can't get neither of those

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 17, 2008 02:47 PM

If you get neither then it seems you had bad luck
There are factions which rock in Early Game ( like necro, dungeon and- Elvin persuaded me- Stronghold), but after it they become too specialised to be extreamly effective with all of the enemies ( for exemple necro takes down stronghold- but can be beat badly by dungeon, dungeon, can smash necro in lategame, but can be easily wpied out by the orcs... XD and so on... I'm talking about usual builds ofc...)
And there are factions like Sylv and Fortress with wihich, as beautifully said Doom- if you survive creeping- you can beat simply everyone ;P
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forest001
forest001


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posted March 17, 2008 02:52 PM

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If you get neither then it seems you had bad luck

or in case of sylvan your bad luck could be rushing dungeon.
i'm guessing that none knows good defence against rush with sylvan.


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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 17, 2008 03:00 PM
Edited by Lesij at 15:01, 17 Mar 2008.

Good defence?
I know: Run awaaaai XD
Then you'll know that lots of your creatures will survive even though they are nor in your army anymore XD
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PhoenixReborn
PhoenixReborn


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Unicorn
posted March 17, 2008 03:00 PM

Yet Sylvan can win on heritage of deleb.  For example it is possible to face dungeon what hasn't got destructive.  It can be all over middle of week 2.

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted March 17, 2008 04:26 PM

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( for exemple necro takes down stronghold- but can be beat badly by dungeon, dungeon, can smash necro in lategame, but can be easily wpied out by the orcs... XD and so on... I'm talking about usual builds ofc...)

I don't agree. I have thrashed necro with orcs in lategame just as I have seen dungeon own orcs at that time. It's up to the person who plays them and of course the map - witch huts, spell availability, extra dwellings etc. In a game like H5 there are no usual builds, they are subject to change according to opponent and map. I cannot be too specific here but I have seen varied results between certain matchups, enough to tell that x defeats y is too simplified.
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DarkShadow
DarkShadow


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Cerise Princess
posted March 17, 2008 04:28 PM

But i bet you havent seen what happens in necro vs necro battles...

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted March 17, 2008 04:43 PM

Can't be worse than what happens in academy vs academy
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Doomforge
Doomforge

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Mayhem Elemental
posted March 17, 2008 04:45 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 16:46, 17 Mar 2008.

Necro vs Necro: I can guess: they take ages? low att, high def, mediocre damage dealers, no destructive, no light, a lot of summoning, both armies slowed and under suffering spell.. geez.. seems painfully LONG to end it.

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PhoenixReborn
PhoenixReborn


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Unicorn
posted March 17, 2008 04:45 PM

I'm opposed to counterspell on general principles.  That's just overkill.

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DarkShadow
DarkShadow


Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
posted March 17, 2008 05:03 PM

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Necro vs Necro: I can guess: they take ages? low att, high def, mediocre damage dealers, no destructive, no light, a lot of summoning, both armies slowed and under suffering spell.. geez.. seems painfully LONG to end it.

Yep,all rigth.And i had to do necro vs necro battles!

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 17, 2008 05:56 PM

what about dwarf vs dwarf?
btw, if both army are slowed down, it won't change much things, except heros will be able to act more often.

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 17, 2008 08:26 PM
Edited by Lesij at 20:30, 17 Mar 2008.

DS, if you play with necro necro only, then be flexible...
Take destr in spite of summ for example...
With cold death and Circle of Ice his Phoenixes will die as soon as your hero can act... and you can also freez his slowed dudes.

@Elvin- in the majorized version (necro has summ+dark+enl+sorc+log, warlock- dest+enl+log+luck+sorc)- warlock wins, but it is majorized version...
I wanted to show that it is harder for Stronghold to necto than to beat dungeon (majorized version without DM) and for necro it is easier to deal with stronghold than to deal with dungoen...

Exluding special strategies (as samie's antistronghold) and rare arties (like Sandro's Cloak)
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Doomforge
Doomforge

Hero of Order
Mayhem Elemental
posted March 18, 2008 10:07 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:10, 18 Mar 2008.

watching two of my friends playing, I saw quite a funny game academy vs. sylvan can't remember which map. Anyway, the wizard took as much of every troop and possible, without bothering about quality, and the elf scored massive kills first turn, but then motw + divine vengeance happened and phoenix finished the job along some remaining troops. Another example of how broken the DV is.

If warlocks had easy access to light magic, I'd probably play blessings + might style with DV abuse after some buffing instead of traditional destructive. at least 30 SP would make fun resurrections, too.

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