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posted January 20, 2008 10:23 PM |
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But then why people built all kinds of stuff to "check for aliens" in outer space? Since they didn't experience aliens before, where's the reason to build such detectors (forgot how their name was)?
The processes that created our Sun and solar system—and ultimately allowed life to develop and flourish on Earth—are the same processes that have created every other star and planet in the Galaxy and continue to do so today.
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posted January 20, 2008 10:57 PM |
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Perhaps you shouldn't, personally I would (but that's just me).
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But then why people built all kinds of stuff to "check for aliens" in outer space? Since they didn't experience aliens before, where's the reason to build such detectors (forgot how their name was)?
Some of it is genuine research, some of it is the government having too much money, some of it is the tin-foil hat crowd.
The_Death, I don't quite understand what you're saying about "war".
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Some people say they have faith in God
Some people say they know God exists.
I'm one of those people who know, and I'm pretty freaking happy
Theres a lot about God I dont know, because I'm very closed minded to what Humans say about him. Afterall, they're only human. And unfortunatly so is the bible. From the writers to the publishers to the kings to the popes.
crusades, connected to the "lets create an army fearless of death mentality... FIND SALVATION WARRIORS. TONIGHT WE WILL AWAKE IN HEAVEN... PRAISE JESUS
I could be wrong about the bible but..... I doubt it.. In anycase there is proof god exists.
"In the realm of material, men's minds were fettered by superstition, tradition, and all sorts of fixed ideas."
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posted January 21, 2008 09:52 PM |
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In anycase there is proof god exists
Let's see it.
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posted January 21, 2008 10:05 PM |
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In anycase there is proof god exists
there is no proof!
God relies of faith, right!
Proof denies faith, right!
Therefore, there is not proof that god exists because therefore s/he wouldn't (see Douglas Adam's hitch-hikers guide for more detail)
There is no proof to say that god doesn't exist because of the same reason there is no proof to say that s/he does. All we have are the words of prophets of what they believe to be the greater truth.
Note that I also called Scientists prophets. Because they Believe that their way of thinking is best for the world, then that makes them prophets for a world that they believe in, and its only more recently that we have started to take them more seriously.
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posted January 22, 2008 01:53 AM |
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lol...
If only the Big Bang and God were even remotely similar...
The Big Bang is a work-in-progress model made to fit the observable facts of our universe.
It is not absolute.
It is not complete. It is constantly being tried and tested by it's supporters to help us better understand the universe and explain the penomena around us.
It is not final.
God on the other hand is- this is the story, END OF STORY.
It is entirely unchallengeable and as such does not benefit us- at all.
Besides, no one prays to the Big Bang.
No one wastes their sundays in a Big Bang room.
No one has been killed because their interpretation of the Big Bang model is different to someone elses...
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posted January 22, 2008 07:45 AM |
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Many contradictions from humans who wrote the bible.
It is a belief & it is part of the religion that people hold true.
We may never know in this life time but as long as people believe, then there will always be skeptic debates on this fragile issue.
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posted January 23, 2008 07:10 PM |
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In anycase there is proof god exists
Let's see it.
I cannot show you, I can only bring you to show yourself. There is proof that god Exists. What other logical way could everything be? The proof is in my head and it is undeniable. Even if aliens created us, there has to be a God over them.
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posted January 23, 2008 09:57 PM |
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I cannot show you, I can only bring you to show yourself. There is proof that god Exists. What other logical way could everything be? The proof is in my head and it is undeniable. Even if aliens created us, there has to be a God over them.
You can't show me, I have to find it myself?
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Not only are you not willing to back up your ideas, but you expect me to do it.
Not going to happen.
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posted January 23, 2008 10:42 PM |
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I dont expect you to back up my ideas lol... It's common sense in an advanced form of thinking that there is a God. Common sense.
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posted January 23, 2008 11:58 PM |
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Common sense? It's common sense that something whose existence has no evidence doesn't exist.
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posted January 24, 2008 12:11 AM |
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I'll probably sound boring but common sense would say you don't know until you see. Not something that can be applied to all cases(such as the flying spaghetti monster, I'm sure we all agree it exists  ) but there are many things we cannot really tell. Also some revelations are personal. Suppose I got a message from God, would you simply believe me? God may have given some signs whether we are aware of them or not.
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I'll probably sound boring but common sense would say you don't know until you see.
Did you mean that it is not common sense to believe until you have seen or in other words have had a religious experience? Quote:
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God may have given some signs whether we are aware of them or not.
God may have never given us anything, whether we think so or not. Equally valid an assumption, isn't it? 
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posted January 24, 2008 01:05 AM |
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You know what you guys should do? Watch the South Park episode "Imagination Land" (go here to watch them. Their in "Season 11" it's a three parter). Please listen closely to what Kyle has to say about "imaginatory things (I think it's in the third part you don't need to watch the other to listen to what I think is necessary).
Look when someone belives in something it is real to him. How does it matter if you can proof it's/his/hers (talking about god) existence or not? He most certainly affects more people than any human will ever affect! And how does this not make him "real"? He may not be in some flesh form or something that you can catch with some sensors or anythin but that does not make him not exist! I don't claim to know that god exist (besides I personally think that statements like:
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are rather funny. You can't convince people like this otherwise when they've received their sign/enlightment or whatever they had that showed them the "truth". It's fine aslong they claim to know for themselves but it's most certainly not enough to personally be convinced if you want to "proof" something. But this is just my humble opinion!) but I also don't see how you can disproof god can you? He's affected way to many people which makes him "real". But seriously if he exist I don't think man would ever be able to "prove" him scientificly.
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posted January 24, 2008 01:13 AM |
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Did you mean that it is not common sense to believe until you have seen or in other words have had a religious experience?
Strictly speaking no. I am talking in general, not about a religious experience. If someone believes he is not guided by logic without that meaning it is illogical.
I have not had a revelation but have heard from others that say they had. Since they can be disputed you can't really tell unless it happens to you. And I suppose the term miracle is a mass revelation of sorts
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God may have never given us anything, whether we think so or not. Equally valid assumption, isn't it?
Precisely. My whole point was that you cannot depend on common sense for some things.
Basically all we are saying right now are pointless I just wanted to dispute the logic of the above posts.
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posted January 24, 2008 06:24 PM |
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Perhaps you shouldn't, personally I would (but that's just me).
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The_Death, I don't quite understand what you're saying about "war".
Forget it, it was a stupid metaphor about preparation, nothing about "war" literally.
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Common sense? It's common sense that something whose existence has no evidence doesn't exist.
Evidence is only valid to someone if he/she opens up her senses to it.
e.g color is no evidence for blind people, and they'll say "evidence involving colors does not exist" too, at least if they were in charge
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posted January 24, 2008 06:55 PM |
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my argument for gods lack of play in the game that we call reality is that if he was, he wouldn't want this to come into the world, and done something about it!
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posted January 24, 2008 06:56 PM |
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The only question left is, who created the creator? Or how did the creater become or how has the creater always been? Reguardless, there is no possible way reality "is" without a creator. It took me 10 years to find this awnser, to find God if you may.
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posted January 24, 2008 11:48 PM |
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e.g color is no evidence for blind people, and they'll say "evidence involving colors does not exist" too, at least if they were in charge
So now you're comparing me to a blind person. Nice.
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posted January 25, 2008 09:08 AM |
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Yes, a blind person has no logical reason to "believe" in colours.
Colours cannot possibly affect them and as such should be ignored.
I don't see the problem with this..?
This doesn't at all mean that colours don't exist because as you can I can tell they do (although it could be said that they don't exist for that person or something along those lines).
That parallel can't be drawn because colours are subjective and personal, whereas an omnipresent god, well, isn't.
I don't really see how you can think otherwise..
Once an aboriginal man told me that a giant rainbow snake lived in this river valley.
There was no evidence, but he believed it.
I didn't.
By your standards, you should believe it too, even though it may seem absurd (as god does to me). You can't really pick and choose
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But then why people built all kinds of stuff to "check for aliens" in outer space? Since they didn't experience aliens before, where's the reason to build such detectors (forgot how their name was)?
The completely devastating lack of evidence for god isn't the only argument against his existence, it's just a very good one.
The fact that a creator is not only illogical but defies logic in the most basic sense of the word is another.
We haven't experienced aliens first hand, no, but it could be argued using logical conjecture based on the measurable evidence surrounding us that aliens are likely to exist (whether or not this is true is up for debate, see other threads about the Sagan-Drake equation). In this sense there kinda is evidence for them, such as the number of stars etc.
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