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posted August 02, 2006 05:19 PM
Edited by Valeriy at 02:04, 03 Aug 2006.

An Island + A Bomb = No More Republicans

OK, so that got you to read this. Now put your daggers aside and just entertain me with your thoughts. The subject matter? Pedophiles!!! We touched on some sensitive subject matter in my last thread. The responses were all very interesting to say the least. I would like for those that have been invaded by this subject personally, those that have children and think about what they would do, and anyone else that feels their two cents are worth a ****, to respond.  

We have pedophiles that are receiving probation, a slap on their sickened hand, and worse yet, a chance to re offend. This is an offense that has life long traumatic consequences for those that are exposed to it. It is in fact an epidemic in this country. We have done chemical castration, five, ten, and even twenty-year sentences. There have been documentaries where the offenders themselves have stated that if they get out they will re offend. I will not get into whether they are born with this urge to commit these acts or because they had it done to them they are not at fault when they do it.  To me it does not matter what the reason is behind these horrible acts, it is in fact the act itself that Iím referring to. These children have to deal with what has been done to them from no fault of their own. This is not an Oprah thread, so to tell you what sort of irreparable damage is caused would be a repeat.

I donít feel that they can be rehabilitated and it has been established time and again that they always have these urges. You castrate them they offend with their hands, you cut their hands off they offend with their mouth and because this is more than a physical offence we canít just go around castrating them. It is a manipulating mind set that they have. There is control involved that they must gain.  Now you can argue that a recovering alcoholic has urges but there have been people that go years without drinking. The difference is when a pedophile falls off the wagon the act that occurs is irreversible to say the least. Sure the alcoholic can go and get behind the wheel and kill someone and the list goes on with that. I really just want to stay on topic with this one.

So what do we do with them? I want them to suffer as they have made those around them suffer. I want the victim to be able to do to them what ever they wish; to impose on them whatever punishment makes them feel as though they got some type of revenge for the years of grief they have had to drag with them through life. However this is not an option and some that are Christian bound would say it is not about revenge it is about forgiveness. Tell that to the ten year that cries herself to sleep every night because daddy likes to tuck her in. I want to see life in prison without the possibility of parole, ever! I have a two boys and a girl; I donít want the justice system and its so call rehabilitation program to be what I depend on to keep my children as safe as I can. You can talk to your children and try to make them understand the typical ďhe/she doesn't always look like a monsterĒ clichť. When it is grandpa doing it, we have a whole new playing field to work with.  

So any thoughts on this one???  If you have a story and would like to share it, that would be insightful as well.



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posted August 02, 2006 09:14 PM
Edited by Valeriy at 02:05, 03 Aug 2006.

Ok Val is fixing my heading. republications no republicans...this is a trick that the republicans have done to my post heading.. Conspiracy

Conspiracy amended
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posted August 02, 2006 10:05 PM
Edited by russ at 22:16, 02 Aug 2006.

I agree with you that those people should be kept behind bars for good. IMHO the main reason for prisons should be NOT to punish them, but to KEEP THEM AWAY FROM THE REST OF US, so that they can't reoffend. I don't care if they suffer in there, I don't care if they have a great time - I am happy as long as they are kept inside.

The penal system (at least in Canada) is extremely flawed. And not only is it related to pedophiles (who end up raping more kids on their first week outside), it is about other offenders as well.

For example, my friend's uncle's step son got drunk and killed him with a HOCKEY STICK. It was VERY VERY MESSY. He then went out to continue partying with his buds as if nothing happened. And... he'll be out in less than 5 years!!! Why? Because he didn't plan it and because he was drunk. So, apparently it ok for some ****head to BEAT YOU TO DEATH WITH A HOCKEY STICK in a sudden murderous rage while drunk as long as he was drunk (or high) and he didn't plan it. What will happen when he is out? Well, I am quite sure that he won't stop drinking/getting high, I am quite sure that he won't start thinking (you need to do that to PLAN a murder) and I am definitely sure that the prison will not make him any less of a ****head than he already is. How long will it be before he gets another 3 years in prison? And how many people will he need to kill before they put him away for good?

On the other hand, a female teacher got 20 (!!!) years for consensual sex with her 14-yr old student (they married and had a kid while she was in prison).

Btw, flower, why are you so concerned about the pedophiles?

Did you know, for example, who most of them are? Daddies, uncles, friends of the family, neighbors, priests, teachers, etc. (i.e. someone the kids know.) Very very few of them are the feared stereotypical "old guys who drive vans with no windows and look for young kids on the streets". You probably have a better chance of getting hit by a lightning than to stumble upon one of those. If you see someone who always stays inside in a house surrounded by lightning rods because they are afraid of getting hit by a lightning, you'll most likely consider them insane, yet you (and A LOT of others) do exactly the same thing.

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posted August 02, 2006 10:16 PM

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Btw, flower, why are you so concerned about the pedophiles?

I have children and everyone that has children should try to take steps to at least beware of this as an epidemic. Iím just bringing up subject matter that all can benefit fromÖ I also enjoy the different personalities on HC and find it mentally stimulating to read.. Thanks for your comment.


Did you know, for example, who most of them are? Daddies, uncles, friends of the family, neighbors, priests, teachers, etc. (i.e. someone the kids know.) Very very few of them are the feared stereotypical "old guys who drive vans with no windows and look for young kids on the streets". You probably have a better chance of getting hit by a lightning than to stumble upon one of those. If you see someone who always stays inside in a house surrounded by lightning rods because they are afraid of getting hit by a lightning, you'll most likely consider them insane, yet you (and A LOT of others) do exactly the same thing.



Yes I do know this and so should everyone else.
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posted August 03, 2006 04:26 AM

I must have missed the Republicans connection...or did I?
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posted August 03, 2006 04:32 AM

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I must have missed the Republicans connection...or did I?


no connection.. politics always gets attention
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posted August 04, 2006 04:37 AM
Edited by Seitzembolus at 04:40, 04 Aug 2006.

Pedophiles are beasts that dwell in brazen corners and prey upon the innocent that pass by. Punishment for these individuals must be painful, not negligent, for animals are taught best with a stern fist. I believe there is retribution for even the most wayward soul, and these rapists shouldn't necessarily be condemned to die; but they should be condemned to savage pain instead of time.  
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posted August 04, 2006 04:49 PM

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they should be condemned to savage pain instead of time.
There is one reason for not having corporal or capital punishments: what if the guy is innocent? Our justice system is far from perfect and as long as there would be even a 0.000000000001% chance of a jury making the wrong decision, I will be against those two kinds of punishments.

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posted August 04, 2006 05:02 PM

I never said anything about punishment before the due process of law.

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posted August 04, 2006 05:20 PM

How about we just look at those that have admitted having this sick urge to violate young children. Our justice system is not set up perfect by any means. Any one of us can become a victim to it and accused wrongly of acts that we did not perform. We do however live in this country and have to accept the justice system and believe that it will prevail when necessary. So if we just look at the pedophiles that have admitted this and the ones that have had a jury of their peers say that the evidence was there, then what do you suppose we do with them? There are a lot of what ifs, and this is why the death penalty is such an issue. I want to know about the women/men that are just open about the problem. The ones in jail that say when I get out I will re offend. What the Hell does one do with these unwell humans that canít provide a safe environment around them when released?  
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posted April 12, 2007 12:12 AM

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OK, so that got you to read this. Now put your daggers aside and just entertain me with your thoughts. The subject matter? Pedophiles!!!


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posted April 12, 2007 12:21 AM

Very cute!!!!
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posted April 12, 2007 02:44 AM

The justice system is certainly is not perfect. And yes pedophilia is a problem not as big as it is made out to be but it is. Media likes sensations.
I don't think that we can just lock up people and forget about them. The  penal system today in western countries is created not to penalise but to rehabilitate that person and to try to make him/her a productive person in a society. A person in a prison is not very productive. Of course there is a certain problem with people who do reoffend. However it is not all of them. It is this idea of changing the person for a better is what is basis behind modern day penal system.
I don't have the statistics but I am sure that the chances of a kid being attacked by a pedophile are not high. There are dangers in the world and we can not remove them. I know a number of governments did create sexual offenders registries and other services to keep track of them and under control.
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posted April 12, 2007 02:51 AM

Tough One

First of all this thread needs to have a very large disclaimer warning people of the nature of the content contained within. I have to be honest here and say that the title trick was not used properly. The title trick is meant to be a twist of words, not something entirely different. For example, Wolfman wanted me to start the thread about the reasons why affirmative action wasn't working. So I thought of something that might be considered inflamatory in a twist of words. Of course communism has nothing to do with affirmative action. The mere fact that it is so far off the mark made people want to come and deliver the truth(as they saw it) even more. But I wouldn't have begun my thread entitling something about how to make muffins and then started a discussion about affirmative action.

Who knows I could be wrong about this. It's only my opinion.

About the content .... oh boy talk about your can of worms. I've written about this before and posted it on myspace blog entitled "Grown Men and Young Girls". I think I feel like I don't want to discuss it because it never ceases to evoke some of my most deep and anger-filled emotions. I was talking to my neighbor about it this morning actually. And we have recently seen one go to jail. I told her that this guy might not do so well in there. I said there are limits even for criminals. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was abused by the other inmates. I think that even in prison they are considered the lowest by the other prisoners.
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posted April 12, 2007 03:20 AM

Actually true sex offenders and especially pedophiles are often abused by other inmates.
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posted April 12, 2007 04:00 AM

Apologies for the title however people are drawn to politics more than anything else and I Don't want a warning about the content because there is no child on here that is too young to read this and pay attention. This is a serious issue that needs to be discussed and needs to be hammered about how much this really rots a child's spirit.

Yes it brings out anger and when you have a child such as I then it really pisses you off. I know that pedophiles are taken care in jail; the most horrible serial killers can have just no respect for a child lover.So let them loose on them and show them what it feels like to have all their power pulled from them until they puke and choke on it.
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posted April 12, 2007 04:35 AM

Violent_Flower

Do try and remember that I was banned from another internet forum for my strong feelings on this very subject. It really is just that volatile. I suggest everyone tip-toe (choose your words carefully) as much as possible when responding to this subject. The slightest spark could ignite a fury of anger the likes of which many have never seen.
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posted April 12, 2007 06:28 AM

there's not many sides to this argument lol.
You won't have many people going "pedophiles are good! we need more pedophiles out in the open where they can touch our daughters!"
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posted April 12, 2007 08:23 AM

An interesting topic indeed. But I'd like to perhaps, take a different look on this topic.

No doubt that pedophiles are dangerous and their way of life is not acceptable. Still they are not such a huge threat and a problem as the media portray, them. But then every ruined life is a tragedy...

I guess that the real problem here is what to do with them? Making them sit in jail purposelessly, is not a solution. I don't believe that a stay in a medium or high security prison will do any good. Perhaps you can feel safe, that they are locked away, but it is not a long term solution. You can't treat pedophilia as a normal crime.

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Those who have committed sexual crimes against children, but do not meet the normal diagnosis criteria for pedophilia, are referred to as situational, opportunistic, or regressed offenders, whereas offenders primarily attracted toward children are called structured, preferential, or fixated pedophiles, as their orientation is fixed by the structure of their personality. It is estimated that only 2 to 10 percent of child sexual abuse perpetrators meet the regular criteria for pedophilia. (Kinsey-Report, Lautmann, Brongersma, Groth).


I added this quote, because I believe that it has a lot to do with the subject. For the normal, or softer pedophiles(who are estimated to account only for 2 to 10% of the sex crimes) pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Perhaps it's given at birth, perhaps it's gained, don't know. But they are not the real problem here. The "normal" or "soft" pedophiles apparently have a way of controlling their urges.

The main portion of the sex crimes committed on children are the opportunistic offenders, who mostly use children as a substitute for their lousy, or non existent sex life. These people are very psychically sick, deviants in many aspects, sometimes people who are plainly sadistic and just enjoy the suffering of others, be it adults, children or animals. They are the real problem here. These people are the ones who account for the large majority of sex offenses... But again the question is what do to with them?

Do you think that sending a deviant, mentally sick person, to sit for 5,10,20 years in jail will do them any good? It useless and there is a huge chance that once they get out they will do it again.
Perhaps one could suggest the death penalty, but for me and for many others it is not an option...
You could stick them in jail for the rest of their lives, sure that could work. But honestly I would send them for a long rehabilitation program, because in 98 to 90% percent of the offenses the pedophilic sexual orientation is not the main problem. Most of the people have a absolutely messed up mental life, lack empathy and (or) are sadistic of nature.
Maybe I'm idealistic but i believe that a long, solid rehabilitation in the care of qualified people can be the solution that will help these people become solid members of the society, in the long run...
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