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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 09, 2007 11:07 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 01:40, 10 Sep 2007.
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Hehe yeah. Haven with shatter dark/destructive would be an utter terror 
@dschingi
Not confirmed but I'd say pretty reliable.
Edit: Seems both cyclops upgrades can throw goblins, nice!
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted September 10, 2007 03:13 AM |
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Actually by the sounds of things with sufficient spellpower spellcasters wont be hampered much. least of all the dark school with its puppet master.Though i admit its a bit nasty
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted September 10, 2007 04:37 AM |
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For Single Player what matters is will it be fun to play with the stronghold?
For Multi Player what matters will be how fast can they creep? All the amazing skills in the world aren't going to help with no army and a weak hero.
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted September 10, 2007 05:03 AM |
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Wait, this is what matters? From my point of view what matters is:
What are the Shamen wearing?
What will be the effects of the other combined artifacts?
What is the release date?
and, most importantly:
Who does Raelag wind up with, Findan or Isabelle?
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted September 10, 2007 05:44 AM |
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Most likely they will leave all those questions open-ended or unanswered
Personally i think that the stronghold are going to be a Might-rush faction of which it would be the second (inferno more or less being the first) So we have 2 magic rush factions (Acedemy and dungeon)
two end game might factions (Haven and fortress) 2 Might rushers (orcs and inferno) and syvlan and necropolis which id say its a bit unclear in to where they fit in . even though i suppose both are sort of end-game
It sounds to me like this becaue all their units are exceptional at most tiers but will have trouble creepings so theyll probably go and rush quickly so that their overall losses from creeping over time wont actually appear
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted September 10, 2007 08:39 AM |
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A barbarian with might over magic and shatter destructive magic skills is a warlock's worst nightmare.
I (a dungeon player) see no way of competing.
Necro with dark and summoning stands a chance
Wizard looks like the best choice( with 3 magic skills, way more than the barbarian can afford)
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LiZaRdMeN
Disgraceful
Known Hero
The king of Grimheim
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posted September 10, 2007 08:41 AM |
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WoW,IT sounds like the shatter magic skills will not give a chance that the units will resist the spells,but they will lower their efect.BEware Dungeon,your end is near
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted September 10, 2007 08:54 AM |
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shatter magic looks overpowered against some factions; on the other hand might over magic doesn't e.g.- barbarian has 7 sp and a wizard 21 which gives a wizard 14 sp against a non caster hero which is fair.
On a different note; do orcs worship a dragon or not? Is father sky Sylath? Are pao kais his children? If so how come his children are only lv6? Have they given up on a Sylath faction (which should have been mostly comprised of flyers)
P.S. If the answers to my questions are yes than UBI made a BIG mistake.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 10, 2007 09:06 AM |
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No I don't think they follow a dragon, they are a shamanistic society.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted September 10, 2007 09:56 AM |
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does shatter light magic affect skills as well? for example is guardian angel going to be less usefull if the oponent has shater light magic skill?
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted September 10, 2007 10:39 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 14:00, 11 Sep 2007.
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I don't think Guardian angel will be effected as it is a perk of light magic and which is not effected directly by the mastery. I guess all perks will stay but just as is said their effectiveness will be reduced.
I wonder what chance the Babarian will have for Warmachines... it better be high because creeping with weak units and without magic is going to be very tough... I mean while creeping you won't get the chance to use much bloodrage effects because bloodrage means battel and battel means casualties... I prefer to blow the stacks with one hit or atleast steal retal with fodder (goblins^^).
I wonder if orcs will be able to learn magic from witch huts... because an orc with light magic just might be very very nasty.
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dschingi
Famous Hero
the guy with the dragon golem
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posted September 10, 2007 12:13 PM |
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They can't do magic so even if they can learn Light from a witch hut it wouldn't help them...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 10, 2007 12:27 PM |
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Besides light is probably switched with shatter light in their skills so even from a hut they would not be able to. Yes that's speculation 
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted September 10, 2007 01:04 PM |
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Reducing Mastery does sound less useful than just stopping the spell. I mean, a powerful spellcaster can still uberslay enemies, with or without enemies.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted September 10, 2007 01:18 PM |
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Quote:
a powerful spellcaster can still uberslay enemies, with or without enemies.
not sure I know what you mean
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dschingi
Famous Hero
the guy with the dragon golem
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posted September 10, 2007 01:45 PM |
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Yes maybe they get Shatter Light when other classes get Light from witch huts
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted September 10, 2007 01:58 PM |
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For some strange reason I think that the female orc hero shown is actually Biara in disguise and will lead the red demonlike orc upgrades in the campaign (just like Shadya - Biara - will lead the evil dungeon alternates; and Isabel/Biara and Alaric we'll command the "new" nerfed renegades) )
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Gil-galad
Known Hero
High King of Noldor
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posted September 10, 2007 02:24 PM |
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Hmm, I have not thaught about that. When I do it is cind of Biara style to infiltrate and pretend to be an ally, and Kujin remind me of Shadya. But Biara is the griffin queen now. She should stay in the capital and do queen stuff. It would be odd if the queen disappeared from the empire for very long time. She could kill Kujin and take her place during the late part of the orc campaign though, but I don't think thats very likely. But who knows? It's actually Biara we're talking about.
Elvin> You say that both cyclop upgrades can throw goblins? Then the Untamed Cyclops should have another ability or higher stats since the other upgrade has the eyebeam-thing.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 10, 2007 03:34 PM |
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Quote:
Elvin> You say that both cyclop upgrades can throw goblins? Then the Untamed Cyclops should have another ability or higher stats since the other upgrade has the eyebeam-thing.
I think that the Untamed Cyclops will have the Siege abilities and probably higher atack and/or damage. I don't know if eating Goblins is still in or who has it though, because that would be an option to.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 10, 2007 03:56 PM |
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As for Biara infiltrating the orcs too I would barf at the revelation  If they reuse that plot device I will really feel disgusted.
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