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Hexa
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posted October 29, 2001 04:09 PM |
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 Walking on the edge there Rogue!
LOL
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wiggy_wam
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posted October 29, 2001 07:54 PM |
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to Shae and others:
I knew I would offend some people from stating my observations here, and I'm NOT surprised it's Shae.
From reading your many threads everywhere and chatting with you a little bit, Shae, it seems that you are not the feminine type HOMM3 player.
It seems that you misunderstood my earlier statements about masculinity and femininity. A majority of people do not understand such a thing, so don't worry.
Almost EVERYONE, male and female, young and old, possesses BOTH masculine and feminine atributes in their personality. Only barbie herself could qualify as fully feminine. And after playing the Hack and Slash campaign in SoD, Crag Hack's personality seems fully masculine, while Yog seems a bit more feminine than masculine.
Again, Shae, it seems that you have assumed that feminine = women, and masculine = men. <--- but this is not the case.
Yet such an assumption is common.
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rogue
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posted October 29, 2001 09:46 PM |
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Ok, to try and clarify wiggly's comments as well as my own:
*ahem*
the terms masculine and feminine are based on the stereotypical roles of male and female.
Most real people don't fall to either extreme, and applying the term masculine or feminine to one aspect of their behavior is just observing how close it comes to matching the stereotype.
I think most people have some aspects of their personality that are more masculine or feminine than others. That is what this was about.
It is not saying "girls do this and guys do that", it's just a way to describe things.
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wiggy_wam
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posted October 29, 2001 10:52 PM |
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yes rogue, very good definition so far, and I would like to add one simple quality:
feminine: that which appeals more to the female persuasion than the male persuasion. (like the expert 40 year study ... ie: mustang example)
masculine: that which appeals more to the male persuasion than the female persuasion.
Here's some basic examples:
classical music - feminine
hard rock - masculine
football - masculine
ballet - feminine
I guess when I think about it, I'd be more on the feminine side. And NO, I'm NOT gay!
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Ichon
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posted October 29, 2001 11:12 PM |
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Most of that is exposure however
Your examples with music, cars, sports etc were stereotypical gender types more from the 50's than related to what we really have today. At least in the countries were women are free to express what they life or don't like. If you want to talk about statistics, more women watch pro wrestling than men, there are also more men who attend opera than women- only in those few countries were women can pretty much do what they want as far as the law says(cultures a dif thing).
If you read the latest statistical trends for instance in sports, since women have become more active from the elementary level and up- so have the continued to play, and more importanly for ad revenue(and hence how these things get studied)they continue to watch the sports they played in particular, but all sports in general. Also there is a ripple effect- the one woman who played a sport watches a game with 2 of here friends who didn't etc.
It's no wonder Shae or anyone gets confused when you say masculine or feminine- the terms are synonymous with modes of being which identify female or male traits, which assumes those traits are inherent in those genders rather than being a form of cultural conditioning.
GI Joes and Barbies are both dolls... yet with your reasoning one type is more masculine and one more feminine because of the histroical baggage and the sterotype of the uses the children who play with them will put them thru.
The only thing that is proven beyond a cultural bias is that women and girls spend more time talking and verbally playing than men and boys for most of their lives, yet if men had a longer lifespan... they begin to merge with women statistically in their behaviour patterns, so if you do only discover yourself at the end of life, than everyone is a woman. lol Yeah, of course not- but you can say antying with feminie or masculine and be misunderstood, just say different modes of behaviour since the label you used not only is incorrect, but also misrepresents what you are trying to say which is a valid point- the different styles people bring to H3 and how they play. I've always thought the ebst ways to get to know someone are either to play with them or fight with them.
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sos
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posted October 30, 2001 12:15 AM |
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Quote:
I've always thought the ebst ways to get to know someone are either to play with them or fight with them.
How about to sleep with them?
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RMS
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posted October 30, 2001 01:32 AM |
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Hey hey hey! Whats this about listeners of classical music, being feminine? ...and I just happen to enjoy watching ballet on occassion, as well...
...ok, so I'm not manly....what're you going to do about it? 
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Ichon
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posted October 30, 2001 04:44 AM |
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sleeping with the enemy
Sleeping with em should be playing with them. If it ain't fun, then something wrong pardner.
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Darion
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posted October 30, 2001 05:52 AM |
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LOL... oooh yes! Oh yess!!! "Wait.. it's my turn! CURSES! It's the week of the plague!" Oh yes!! ooohhh yeah! "My turn now! Oooooh! I got town portal!" ....
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wiggy_wam
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posted October 30, 2001 09:55 AM |
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a VERY good point...
I really believe you are correct Ichon. Masculinity and femininity are for the most part culturally relativistic terms. <-- in other words, that which is considered masculine / feminine in the USA would likely differ among other cultures.
You are also correct that the values known today as "masculine / feminine" were handed down from the 50's era, when roles and lifestyles were VERY different.
Therefore I guess I am using these terms to represent an obsolete cultural stigma, which terms have not been re-defined yet for our current culture.
Oh by the way, classical music is ALL that I listen to these days. Here's my top 10 (in order):
- Beethoven
- Dvorak
- Rachmaninoff
- Mendelssohn
- Rimsky Korsakov
- Brahms
- Prokofiev
- Schumann
- Tchaikovsky
- Sibelius
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Shae_Trielle
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posted October 30, 2001 10:45 AM |
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Somehow I got the idea...
that you all think I'm not girly enough.
LOL!
So what that I don't conform to the typical stereotype for a girl? I am who I want to be, and who I want to be, I am. Some people seem to find it offensive that I have an opinion of my own and I don't necessarily wash dishes and cook dinner all the time.
If I have something to say, I say it. If you don't like it, tough life. That's not to mean that I'm not feminine because I am and I'm not some sort of lesbian who gets her rocks off playing against stereotypes and trying to me more masculine.
Masculinity is what anyway? Standing up for what you believe in? Playing Heroes with races that aren't visually pleasing?
Ichon is dead right when he says that these masculine and feminine stereotypes are from the 50's. And yes, I like the Rock too. Classical music seems to be a type of music that doesn't get along with my eardrums. I prefer hip hop and r 'n' b. But I also like latin music and I like to dance, ballroom and clubstyles.
Wiggy, you had one exchange with me in Zone where I dissed you a little bit and you meekly decided to keep your mouth closed. From that two minutes, I could have decided that you're decidedly feminine from having some fun with me, but you're still a guy and I don't like judging whether someone who I don't know is decidedly one way or another. It just doesn't work that way.
Ask anyone who's played me and they'll most certainly say that I'm not 'butch' when I play, lol. I'd much rather talk to someone and have a good chat instead of ranting on about how 'I'm gonna come and kill you!'
LOL.
There is no such thing anymore as someone who's feminine or masculine. I take offense because you've posted something to try and look like you know what you're talking about but it's plainly obvious that you have a mindset that's akin to my father's and you're about 50 years behind current social interaction.
*smile*
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rogue
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posted October 30, 2001 06:09 PM |
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Well, I wouldn't say you're not girly enough... or too girly... or anything.
As for the music thing...
I don't see how classical music would be considered feminine. I mean, aren't most, if not all, of the great/well-known composers male?
I also heard that piano was considered a feminine instrument and that guitar was considered masculine.
*shrugs*
The two types of music I like are Classical and Metal. Obviously not all in either category, but I find those two have the most "music" in their music. (and by Metal, I don't mean Limp Bizkit kinda snow - that's hard rock)
Also, the two musical instruments I play are piano and guitar.
So, what am I? A hermaphrodite?
Actually, I would say that guys tend to be more into metal and classical than girls, and girls tend to be more into pop and dance music than guys.
I think it's because guys like complex musical patterns, and girls like dancing. But that's another stereotype, so I'll shut up.
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wiggy_wam
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posted October 30, 2001 06:12 PM |
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touche (I mean, to Shae)
according to deductive and symbolic logic, if feminine and masculine do not exist, then I am still correct.
as stated above, there exists no redefinition of these terms, and the these terms apply to an obsolete genre.
I believe there are still some value to them, only because each stereotype is at an extreme end, and such a system can be used to decipher things as to which category they fall under. However if we were to put our faith in this old system, we would discover that females are growing more masculine, and males are growing more feminine <-- this SHOULD not be the results.
by the way Shae, if ANYONE finds it offensive that you don't wash the dishes or cook dinner, then they deserve to be offended (and probably deserve an @$$ beating).
quoted --> There is no such thing anymore as someone who's feminine or masculine. I take offense because you've posted something to try and look like you know what you're talking about but it's plainly obvious that you have a mindset that's akin to my father's and you're about 50 years behind current social interaction. <-- quoted
actually, I learned it from those (psychology textbook) who have a mindset akin to your father's (and yes, the textbook is an old one too).
P.S. - Shae, I never thought you were a butch type nor would think of you as such, it's just that (according to this theory) we all possess masc. / fem. attributes here and there. If I ever made it seem that I was labelling you one way or another, then I'm sorry, it must've came out the wrong way because I didn't mean it.
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wiggy_wam
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posted October 30, 2001 06:28 PM |
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I don't know rogue, with the statistical demographics of my location (Utah, USA), the women dominate the classical music departments .... but it's no matter, each location is quite different with their demographics.
Anyway, there are very few female classical composers, the only two I can think of are Clara Schumann (Robert Schumann's wife), and Zwilich.
it almost makes sense how the piano would be considered fem., and the guitar masc., only because of the number of males/ females who commonly play them. All this kind of reminds me of the French language, where EVERYTHING was either masculine or feminine (the le and la that comes before everything) ... some examples:
la porte ... door ... feminine
le chat ... cat ... masculine
anyway you get the point.
as for your guitar / piano playing, yes, you are correct, you would be a hermaphrodite. <-- just kidding
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rogue
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posted October 30, 2001 07:06 PM |
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Ah, ok... I was wondering what that extra hole was for...
As for the music thing... it seems that more girls than guys are playing in school bands or orchestras and stuff, so maybe it represents a change in trends over the years?
Oh, and boy bands are definitely feminine. ****ing panzies don't even play insturments or write music...
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Frenzie
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posted October 31, 2001 02:40 AM |
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My rant on this
I think you are right with the changing trends over the years, these stereotypes of boys play with cars and girls get dolls are becoming more and more obsolete in this day and age.
But just because you play the piano, doesnt mean that you are quite literally a female ... its about the appeal, and the piano appeals to the "feminine side" of you, perhaps you also play football, which appeals to your masculine side.
Its not about what sex you are, its more an attitude.
When it comes to somethings im a girl, but then last night i wandered around the house drilling holes in windows and making them shut better ... and that doesnt make me a man, but its a masculine task (or so history tells us).
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Shae_Trielle
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posted October 31, 2001 02:56 AM |
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I've just decided that Wiggy is a nice guy.
*smile*
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RMS
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posted October 31, 2001 03:08 AM |
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...nothing, and I stress nothing is better than good old classical music. Just because I enjoy "feminine" music and its all I can play, doesn't mean I'm a female, does it? ...hmm, perhaps I'm really just some perverted gal, trying to hide behind the covers, the way all of you are constantly classifying my actions and likes...
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wiggy_wam
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posted October 31, 2001 04:33 AM |
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thanks Shae. I try to be a nice guy, but sometimes I'm just NOT.
RMS, I must say that just the choice of your avatar is more femmy than classical music!! <-- just kidding.
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RMS
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posted October 31, 2001 04:43 AM |
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…hmm, now that I think of it, as I figure it, the way you wold define it, since I play both the piano and violin, I’m guessing that’s 2 for 2 on the scale of femininity…yep, I would’ve been much better off being born a girl…but then would I appear extremely strange and masculine?
…hmm, this is confusing me, so I’ll stop here
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