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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted September 30, 2007 09:30 AM |
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It can work in this way - *effect* is still capped on 5, while you can reach higher numbers. Since Necro with its new stuff can decrease Morale by about 10 there should be number you can be safe with.
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted September 30, 2007 09:31 AM |
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err could you always send resources to both allies and enemies?
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"Am i a demon? No im a priest of the light! THE BLOODY RED LIGHT"
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 09:33 AM |
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Curse of the netherworld is quite useful now, afaik. With 10 sp, a necromancer can do a total of 2016 damage, which is quite a nice score. Ofc it's not empowered lucky meteor shower with slippers, but its still a potent source of extra damage. GJ nival this time.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted September 30, 2007 09:52 AM |
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Edited by radar at 09:57, 30 Sep 2007.
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What? It's insane damage, about 20 Palas...
The formula form AoH says its 144+12*Power on expert, so
12 x 10 = 120
120 + 144 = 264...
or am I wrong and Nival added new maths rules
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 30, 2007 10:00 AM |
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That way it may even be fun to use world of light with a wizard  In which case I hope it affects more than demons and undead now...
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Radox
Known Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 10:00 AM |
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Edited by Radox at 10:01, 30 Sep 2007.
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Doomforge meant that you can deal summary 2016 damage to ALL the enemy stacks.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted September 30, 2007 10:06 AM |
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Quote:
Doomforge meant that you can deal summary 2016 damage to ALL the enemy stacks.
Even if yes, both spells still suck...
Besides, if you have 7 stacks in army, 264 x 7 = 1848.
Let him explain what was the point
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 30, 2007 11:19 AM |
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Wow, they actually improved CotN and WoL - that's great news! I'd hardly say that 12 x Power + 144 Sucks - that's an Icebolt on each of the enemy's units! Notice that it now deals Water damage, so for all I know it might even work with Cold Death? I used to play with a Modded CotN / WoL which did 12 x Power + 60 Damage, and it was REALLY usefull, so I think we should be quite pleased with these changes.
I wonder, however, why they still retain the imbalances in Slow and Haste. None-mastery Slow is still 25 % reduction, whereas similar haste is a meagre 10 % Increase, making Slow much more powerful than Haste.
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What will happen now?
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sfidanza
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 12:04 PM |
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Quote:
I wonder, however, why they still retain the imbalances in Slow and Haste. None-mastery Slow is still 25 % reduction, whereas similar haste is a meagre 10 % Increase, making Slow much more powerful than Haste.
There are multiple other ways to increase your own troops Initiative (artifacts...), and not so much of hindering the enemy. So I would say it's quite balanced overall. Besides, the Dark path is always easier.. 
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 12:08 PM |
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Sorry for miscalculation, I calculated for 10 stacks lol 
and used 14 instead of 12*power.. duh stupid me
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted September 30, 2007 12:21 PM |
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Quote:
Wow, they actually improved CotN and WoL - that's great news! I'd hardly say that 12 x Power + 144 Sucks - that's an Icebolt on each of the enemy's units! Notice that it now deals Water damage, so for all I know it might even work with Cold Death? I used to play with a Modded CotN / WoL which did 12 x Power + 60 Damage, and it was REALLY usefull, so I think we should be quite pleased with these changes.
Cold Death Desription says it affects Ice Bold, Circle of Winter and Deep Freeze, only, while Ignite afftects *fire spells* so including WoL 
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Nirual
Famous Hero
Imbued Ballista
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posted September 30, 2007 03:34 PM |
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Edited by Nirual at 15:36, 30 Sep 2007.
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Quote:
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Summon Hive will be about used as much as Wasp Swarm, aka like never?
Did you know wasp swarm reduces initiative? Try using it at higher mastery levels you may be pleasantly surprised.
Only with the Summoning Magic skill. There are much better ways to achieve the same effect. Master of Storms or Ice (not as much reducing, but can hit multiple units with Circle of Winter) both affect spells that deal much more damage than Wasp Swarm, or Mass Slow.
Sure, you can't do either if you only go with Summoning Magic, but Fist of Wrath usually does more damage, and there are much better things you can do with your turns than to summon a 100 health Hive.
Not to mention that both effects don't work on undeads, elementals and mechanicals.
I suppose it works pretty well for creeping though, but I usually get by without it.
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sphere
Supreme Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 06:03 PM |
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Hi,
- I was trying to play that other map and I get that "Enter Demo activation code" - I got mine from FilePlanet - Demo. Any clues ?
Quote:
7964-8248-7603-2676
Is this the one ( thanks to Yasmiel ) ? Because I can't find any in my Demo directories 
- Guz
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Who is this General Failure, and why is he looking at my disk ?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted September 30, 2007 06:05 PM |
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That's the code. Open the Single Player map selection screen, highlight Agrael's Trial, click Activate in the bottom right, type in the code and press Enter.
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sphere
Supreme Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 06:12 PM |
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Edited by sphere at 18:21, 30 Sep 2007.
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Hi,
- Thanks,Cepheus, Appreciated.
Edit Ups... I guess the information comes from hiring other heroes. My bad.
- Guz
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Who is this General Failure, and why is he looking at my disk ?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted September 30, 2007 06:22 PM |
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Don't mention it. Oh and only the Stronghold, Inferno and Haven factions are playable in the demo, but Nival left some of the new alternate upgrade textures and skins behind in their files. No stats or other data though, just the graphics.
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Nirual
Famous Hero
Imbued Ballista
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posted September 30, 2007 06:24 PM |
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The other factions aren't playable in the demo, but all creatures are included on behalf of being able to show up as neutral creatures.
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted September 30, 2007 06:24 PM |
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haven creeps are there a bit too .and no theyre not. any week of the whatever that isnt in the files is dumped as peasents.Only those 3 factions in the files
Edit- two people beat me to it.
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"Am i a demon? No im a priest of the light! THE BLOODY RED LIGHT"
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pinkspear
Known Hero
Crazy like a fool
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posted September 30, 2007 07:46 PM |
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I found a few text bugs:
Hall of sins (upg building): allows you to recruit succubus mistresses succubus seducers---->there's a missing 'and' word (should be succ m AND succ s)
Also, blood sisters written as blood sisteres.
Hope Nival will purge them before the final release...
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sfidanza
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 30, 2007 08:12 PM |
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