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How about you show us some "+qp worthy" posts celfious made in the last 2 years which were not seen and/or not rewarded?
That's QP beggin and will not be rewarded. 
Seriously, though, I have to say the 20 post per day limit was not made to encourage people to make more QP's, it was made to put a limit to the nuisance mindless spammers can be. That it goes away after your third QP is because most mindless spammers don't reach this level.
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posted October 30, 2008 05:25 PM |
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That it goes away after your third QP is because most mindless spammers don't reach this level.
THAT'S RIGHT! Yeah all of you with less than 3 reddies you're all just mindless spammers!! TAKE THAT DAGOTH!!
Heehe just messing with you. Of course Alc didn't say don't nor did he mean it that way^^.
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posted October 30, 2008 05:42 PM |
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It works good for us mindless spammers as VW has no limit 
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I disagree as it usually points you towards good old threads and posts to read.
I suppose. Though, I still don't really want to go searching for the star-related material in starred-threads. This lack of desire is also due to reading that, in the past, QP's were given out like snot coming out of a runny nose. Some people may want to see what was so great in the past, which is one of the reasons I said that they may have a purpose,(among other reasons) but I could do without.
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posted November 05, 2008 08:46 PM |
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Which one? There are 3 of them.
Well said, Alkar.
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Note: I didn't know where to post this. This may not be the appropriate place.
I give up putting a lot of effort into some of my posts.
Yes, I'm pretty disappointed. I've seen a lot of QPs awarded to other people's posts which have a lot less effort than what I put in some of my posts which were not awarded at all. Now, this could be because of 2 reasons:
1) My posts actually suck
2) The Mods or even the people discriminate me for some reason. For the people case it's probably that nobody nominates ANY of my posts, while others receive nominations. For the Mods I don't think there's any comment. Anyway, both of these two cases of discrimination could be wrong, meaning that (1) takes effect.
Both of the cases make me quit this whole thing. For (1), what's the point in wasting so much of my time and energy and putting such a high effort in some posts when they suck? (at least more than those posts who got QPs)
For (2), I simply don't like it at all. I hate discriminations of any kind to ANYONE. Nothing more to say about this.
So yes if you're wondering in the future why I won't make posts which include a lot of effort, then you should remember about this for the explanation. So yeah, don't tell me that I stopped posting 'quality material' after I receive my 4th star, since I actually tried to continue with quality posting, but I either failed (my posts suck compared to the effort I put in them) or I am discriminated for some reason. For the latter, I have a guess for a reason. Here it goes:
The Mods have a biased opinion of not giving QPs to a certain poster too often, even if he/she makes daily more quality posts than all the members of the community. The following is a very exaggerated example, but this way it proves my point better:
Let's say Person X registered and then posted 20 quality posts in one day (let's say he wrote those posts before he registered).
Now, I'm sure the Mods would give him 1 or MAX 2 QPs, since it's just too much to give him 20 QPs in one day, no? This is a very wrong mentality (at least IMO) since quality is quality. What does it matter that one person posted all of that in such a short period of time? Why if there were 20 different people making those threads (each making one) they would ALL receive QPs, to a total of 20? Why discriminate Person X in this case?
Quality is quality, that should be the criteria for QPs, and not something else (biased). The poster should be completely irrelevant when judging a quality post, and not have mentalities like: "Another QP for X so soon? Nah..." or "Let me give this one a QP since he needs one more to get a higher rank", etc. I think the QP system would have worked perfectly, without any kind of discrimination, if the poster was 'hidden' to the one who judges the post, but that's practically impossible.
Now in my case, I didn't get a QP in a month or so (while some others got around 3), BUT I think that overall I got QPs the fastest in this 'era of hard-to-get QPs' (I wouldn't be surprised if someone else got their QPs faster than me in the old days since QPs were so easy to get back then, but that's not the point). And I think this makes me discriminated.
I have around 4 of these posts not awarded - I would not even mind if not all of them received QPs, but NONE? Not even one? Although I think there should be 2 awarded at least.
The above are enough reasons to make me 'retire' from this whole quality posting. And don't say that I stopped because I got rid of Flood-Protect, I'm telling you it's completely irrelevant of my current number of QPs. I stop because:
1) Either my posts suck - so then why should I waste so much of my time and put such a high effort in them? It's better if I don't post them at all.
2) I am discriminated for some reason (one could be the fact that I received QPs (too) fast). In this case, why should I bother to put high effort in improving the community if I'm not respected here? (since I'm discriminated)
Forgive me if I sounded a bit rude but I had to clear this whole thing up (why I won't continue wasting a lot of my time and energy on quality posts)
Probably you'll discriminate me even more after reading this post (since you'll probably think I'm a QP-Hunter - although I think these shouldn't be discriminated either, because (and I repeat) quality is quality). I don't care. I mean, why should I since I'll stop making quality posts anyway?
Also, I'll just tell you that I'm not a QP-Hunter. You may believe me or you may not, I don't care, as I said above.
I was never QP-Hunting, and I wasn't disappointed when I didn't get QPs for some of my posts where I put up a lot of effort, since probably I thought that maybe my post is not quality enough. However, the disappointment came when some 'inferior' posts got QPs and mine did not (and I'm not talking about old times, because I know QPs were earned much easier back then, I'm talking about recent times). This made me feel incredibly bad, because either my posts are crappy compared with the amount of effort I put into them, or I'm discriminated and thus not respected.
I somehow think it's (2) since in the last times my high-effort posts were not awarded like before, probably because I gained QPs too fast (and see above the 'discrimination'). I could have lost my touch and meaning that it could be (1) as well (my high-effort posts suck or aren't as good anymore). In either case I think I'll stop making high-effort posts.
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I half agree with what you said. But I disagree with the quality is quality because you actually mean effort is quality which is plain wrong IMO. (still I would like to see QPs being awarded like it was a lot of time ago )
Look how much effort you put in the above post, you take this QP stuff waaaaay too seriously. However I do tend to agree when people like William tell others to "make some quality posts" when he doesn't even know what he is talking about. That's the only thing that annoys me, not the fact that I don't get QPs, I don't really care that much (especially after your fourth star seriously...)
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Why would you care about those posts anyway? The point is, I am only annoyed when other people tell others to make quality posts, especially when they are not awarded like you said. The QP doesn't matter to me, the ones which don't know what they are talking about and make such suggestions annoy me (especially if they got them "easy" before). So yeah, I don't care as long as people who got them don't brag or tell others what to do.
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posted November 07, 2008 04:17 PM |
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What is there to moan about?You either get QPs or don't.
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Why would you care about those posts anyway? The point is, I am only annoyed when other people tell others to make quality posts, especially when they are not awarded like you said. The QP doesn't matter to me, the ones which don't know what they are talking about and make such suggestions annoy me (especially if they got them "easy" before).
No, you see, I don't have a problem with those at all. But not giving QPs to some of my quality posts and giving to others is like indirectly saying that mine actually suck. So, why should I continue making them if they suck? If no posts received QPs I wouldn't feel bad since I'd think that my effort wasn't quality enough for a QP, but now I do feel bad since I think that my posts suck even though I put a lot of effort (more than some other QP awarded posts) in them.
I can understand if they suck, and my post above wasn't meant to make my high-effort posts receive a QP at all. It was simply to say why I would not continue making those high-effort posts since there's no point if they suck, or if I'm discriminated and not thus respected.
@Darkshadow: It's not about getting QPs at all, but about the impression it gives.
If a one-liner received a QP and my high-effort post not then I would feel extremely bad, since indirectly it's like saying that the one-liner post is better than my high-effort one. So why should I continue making the high-effort posts if they suck? There's also the discrimination possibility, in which I would feel extremely bad as well. Why should I put so much effort in those posts when my work is not respected and I'm discriminated?
Of course that was a very exaggerated example, but those prove the points better.
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posted November 07, 2008 04:55 PM |
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No, you see, I don't have a problem with those at all. But not giving QPs to some of my quality posts and giving to others is like indirectly saying that mine actually suck. So, why should I continue making them if they suck?
meh that's because you care about QPs. I find some of your threads interesting, and in fact, if people post in it then it means it was worth it. Period. Not QPs. You take it way too seriously. I can understand if someone who got easy QPs then says to you what you should do to earn them (talking "bossy") and that is really annoying, but seems to me like you are only a QP-hunter without even thinking that people posting in your thread makes it interesting. 
and I especially am annoyed by those who say that we don't post enough quality posts and we should be more helpful to the community, when (most of them) got an easy QP once or we are discriminated. But other than that, i don't care at all about QPs.
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posted November 07, 2008 05:00 PM |
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but seems to me like you are only a QP-hunter without even thinking that people posting in your thread makes it interesting.
Please read my post again. A QP Hunter would be annoyed if he didn't receive QPs at all. I am not. If no other 'inferior' posts received QPs I wouldn't feel bad, since I would think my post wasn't enough 'quality' for a QP.
However, my disappointment came because other posts received QPs and mine not, which either means mine suck or I'm discriminated.
And no, there are people who post in the QP threads as well (of course). And the QP tells indirectly that it's better than mine (or I'm discriminated). Period.
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posted November 07, 2008 05:02 PM |
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And no, there are people who post in the QP threads as well (of course). And the QP tells indirectly that it's better than mine (or I'm discriminated). Period.
No it doesn't. You use the excuse that "your thread sucks" when people say "great idea" or are interested. So that option is out of the question. Therefore, you are only left with option (2) (discrimination).
So the question is: do you make posts and get annoyed if you don't get QPs and others do, even though people are interested in yours and (let's say) less in the ones with QPs? So are you ultimately interested only in QPs or in the fact that you truly are helpful and people respect you more than the one who got easy QPs?
If he gets easy QPs, so be it. People will still be interested in yours. Whether you get annoyed or not means that you are either after QPs or about improving the community (you don't need QPs to figure that out, look at others' posts). I'm looking at the former now 
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posted November 07, 2008 05:07 PM |
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So are you ultimately interested only in QPs or in the fact that you truly are helpful and people respect you more than the one who got easy QPs?
How do you know they respect me more than that one? You can't! Otherwise it would be clear that it's a discrimination, which is not the case (not clear, it could be though)
And I'm not after QPs. But:
1) If my post is 'worse' than some others who got QPs even though mine required more effort, then why should I post them anymore?
2) If it's not that case and my post is actually better but I'm discriminated, why should improve the community when I'm not respected because I'm discriminated?
This is the point I made from the first post in here but you somehow can't understand.
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posted November 07, 2008 05:14 PM |
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How do you know they respect me more than that one? You can't!
ROFLMAO. So in any forum you can't figure out how someone respects you unless you get a shiny which doesn't even exist? I don't like your attitude. If people are interested, active and make new suggestions (such as in the Resources thread) and they say that it's good and improve it along the way, then it is a very interesting thread to the community, with much effort from many sides. That's what it would be in any normal forum, but obviously you are only after QPs since you "can't figure out otherwise if it's good or not" which translates to "if it's good, I demand a reward!".
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This is the point I made from the first post in here but you somehow can't understand.
And my point is you have to rule out option number 1, which I explained why. And if you are discriminated by the mods it doesn't mean everyone. But yeah I have to tell you that those who are only interested in the "reward" (or so it seems, because you say that without reward you have no way of telling whether you were helpful/interesting or not) are really annoying
Oh and how do you know that your post is "interesting" if it has a damn red star (given by mods, which are human, not "absolute truth") huh?
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posted November 07, 2008 05:17 PM |
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ROFLMAO. So in any forum you can't figure out how someone respects you unless you get a shiny which doesn't even exist? I don't like your attitude. If people are interested, active and make new suggestions (such as in the Resources thread) and they say that it's good and improve it along the way, then it is a very interesting thread to the community, with much effort from many sides. That's what it would be in any normal forum, but obviously you are only after QPs since you "can't figure out otherwise if it's good or not" which translates to "if it's good, I demand a reward!".
I didn't say it's not good at all, but it's worse than a thread which required less effort (of course, no discrimination taken into account). Then why should I make them?
I don't know why you simply can't understand my point it seems. You keep coming with things which are already explained from the first post, I'm just repeating myself here. Please read it again and make sure you understand it before replying.
EDIT: And please, I don't want to start a 'war' with you here and 'pollute' the thread.
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posted November 07, 2008 05:24 PM |
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I didn't say it's not good at all, but it's worse than a thread which required less effort (of course, no discrimination taken into account).
How do you know that? From the fact that people are interested in yours, or that the other one has a damn star which you are after, or so it seems.
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Then why should I make them?
Because people comment in it and it is active and interesting. That's why. Unless you are only after QPs and everything else is "secondary".
You know something? You say that without a damn star attached to the post it means it's automatically inferior to one with it right? How do you know that?
But it's pointless, it's clear you are only after QPs after what you wrote to me. I can understand if some mod annoyed you and told you to "be more quality-oriented" and discriminates you, then it's perfectly fine to rant in here that it's not your fault. But saying that you shouldn't post because, even though people post and are interested in your threads, you only want the damn red star because otherwise "it's inferior" (yeah right!).
And I must also add again: quality is not effort.
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posted November 07, 2008 05:26 PM |
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Small request, could you please just this once stop with the hostility-laden quote war? Far be it from me to moan and complain, but you're clogging up the one subforum that really doesn't need this.
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But it's pointless, it's clear you are only after QPs after what you wrote to me.
I don't know if you really read my posts, but maybe I should bold and underline them so that you'll see better. Here's a quote from a previous post I wrote here:Quote:
But not giving QPs to some of my quality posts and giving to others is like indirectly saying that mine actually suck. So, why should I continue making them if they suck? If no posts received QPs I wouldn't feel bad since I'd think that my effort wasn't quality enough for a QP, but now I do feel bad since I think that my posts suck even though I put a lot of effort (more than some other QP awarded posts) in them.
@Ceph: Well, with theDeath you have to repeat your point a million times and he still doesn't understand
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posted November 07, 2008 05:31 PM |
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You still don't get it do you? Who cares if others got "easy" way and are favored by the mods? (for example). Do you care? Why?
The question actually is: why do you post? To make a thread interesting and people make suggestions to it? It seems NOT.
No, you see, you want to "get a shiny" because "member X, who even though other people know that he got his QP easy, got a shiny", because ultimately it seems that you only want to post to get shinies (or care only about them, not only yours, but also if others get them). I can probably feel your frustration, but there is only ONE conclusion:
You are not interested in improving the community, at least it's not a first priority. If you WERE then you would NOT CARE if someone got 500 QPs for nothing, simply because you KNOW that you are more constructive because, let's say, your threads are more interesting to people than the guy with 500 QPs' threads. Period. You know your stuff. You know you are helpful (more than the 500 QP-guy), in fact, you know just like in any other forum.
If you ask me ridiculous things like "how do I know I'm better than him?" I can ask "How do you know he is better? Because of QPs? What if I hack the site and give me 500 QPs, does that mean I'm better?" geez cut the silly questions! You know just like in any other forum you would know.
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