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posted April 28, 2008 11:45 AM |
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Some people already treat sports like a religion. I believe they are called Soccer fans. 
Soccer teams are real...while a god is not..
God is Real, but his existence is out of our logic
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posted April 28, 2008 12:20 PM |
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Terrorist
I especially like deffinition number 2. Right now terrorist is being defined as anybody who uses threats of violence or acts of violence to change others peoples' political or religious point of view. That means a lot of people can be defined as terrorist.
Maybe eventually people will wise up and see that you can't fight terror with weapons. How do you kill an idea? I doubt people will ever get the whole 2 IQ that is required to see that, but ya never know.
Still not all muslims are terrorist. Just like all American's aren't elitist fat rich people, or all Germans alcoholics, or etc etc. Labels don't help, in fact they make things worse. Lets stop labeling each other and maybe things will slowly improve. Maybe.
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posted April 28, 2008 12:30 PM |
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God is Real, but his existence is out of our logic
That's nothing but your opinion (theory), right?
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posted April 28, 2008 12:32 PM |
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Isn't that a better topic for This?
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posted April 28, 2008 01:34 PM |
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A knife can be used in a manner that doesn't harm anybody.
A religion can be used in a manner that doesn't harm anybody as well 
Also, regarding the 'soccer team' religion -- their 'God' isn't real (by that definition) either. The players may be real (if we're in a Matrix, they aren't), the team may be as well, but the ideas of the game are still abstractions, and perhaps even the 'fanaticism'. That way, you don't play soccer for it's "scientific" value (like studying laws, atoms, etc), you play it for it's "ideas", because after all, it's a game.
And besides, even if they are real -- what's the point? Does that excuse the fanaticism (let's say harming someone else, or the supporters of the enemy team)? Does that make them any less dangerous? What does the 'real' part have to do with anything?
(also it's hard to say whether God is real or not, especially if you are not even willing to try it, I'll take an analogy to aliens; sure everyone tries to ignore every possible signs of anything out-of-this-world, that's why we never heard of aliens, we never take any such signs into consideration, and some people don't even want to take a look at the signs and analyze them. If you don't want to look, how do you expect to know whether they exist or not). But that is a subject best left to another topic 
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posted April 28, 2008 02:23 PM |
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And besides, even if they are real -- what's the point? Does that excuse the fanaticism (let's say harming someone else, or the supporters of the enemy team)? Does that make them any less dangerous? What does the 'real' part have to do with anything?
The "real" part was refered to the religion. Soccer fans "pray" and "believe" in something real, while most, if not all, religions believe and pray for something which is only in their mind (at current knowledge). Of course both sides could be fanatics, but I find it hard to call hooligans "terrorists".
On the other hand, u can compare fanatics and hooligans. Both use something "peacefull" (sport and religion) to live out their bad habbits. Hooligans hardly have anything to do with fans/supporters. Most of them even don't know all the players of "their" team. And in my opinion, it is similar to most of the fanatics in any kind of religion.
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posted April 28, 2008 02:31 PM |
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My opinion on this matter:
A person shall live with his/her believes.
You can believe in God. As long as you don't hurt anyone, it's okay.
You can be a fan of a soccer team. As long as you don't hurt anyone, it's okay.
You can be a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian or atheist. As long as you don't hurt anyone, it's okay.
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posted April 28, 2008 02:39 PM |
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My opinion on this matter:
You can be a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian or atheist as long as you dont hurt anyone
what about when religion encourage's violence?
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posted April 28, 2008 02:48 PM |
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There is no religion encourage violence without any reason.
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posted April 28, 2008 02:50 PM |
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posted April 28, 2008 02:56 PM |
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posted April 28, 2008 02:58 PM |
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posted April 28, 2008 03:01 PM |
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If you see someone using violence and telling that it's because of Christianity and the Bible, just get away of that person. Don't blame the Christianity and the Bible.
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posted April 28, 2008 03:05 PM |
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but there must be a reason in bible.
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posted April 28, 2008 03:05 PM |
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The "real" part was refered to the religion. Soccer fans "pray" and "believe" in something real, while most, if not all, religions believe and pray for something which is only in their mind (at current knowledge). Of course both sides could be fanatics, but I find it hard to call hooligans "terrorists".
Let's say religion (and God) is an idea to simplify this.
Soccer, since it's a game, is also an idea. It isn't anything mystical at all -- but those 'fanatics' (dunno how you call them) have something 'divine' with their team. They are obsessed with this idea of the game (note: they don't take the 'quantum physics' of the game, aka reality, they take the idea and what it means). The idea when your team "goals" for example -- they don't think how the ball interacted with many physical factors and got into the gate. They think about the idea of the goal -- that their team scored. And they can get crazy about it.
So, in this example, both are ideas. And ideas are true -- it's what makes them fanatic about it.
I agree that most religious fanatics don't even know what the "players" of their religion are though.
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posted April 28, 2008 03:38 PM |
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My opinion on this matter:
You can be a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian or atheist as long as you dont hurt anyone
what about when religion encourage's violence?
Yes, that happen in israel and palestin.
but there are many reason for those violence!
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posted April 28, 2008 03:45 PM |
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Yes, that happen's in israel and palestine.
but there is many reason's for that violence!
I don't purely talk about thar area, we can look into many religion's and many of them encourage violence.
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posted April 28, 2008 03:54 PM |
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And what is Hitler's religion?
Atheis?
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posted April 28, 2008 05:12 PM |
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Soccer, since it's a game, is also an idea. It isn't anything mystical at all -- but those 'fanatics' (dunno how you call them) have something 'divine' with their team. They are obsessed with this idea of the game (note: they don't take the 'quantum physics' of the game, aka reality, they take the idea and what it means). The idea when your team "goals" for example -- they don't think how the ball interacted with many physical factors and got into the gate. They think about the idea of the goal -- that their team scored. And they can get crazy about it.
So, in this example, both are ideas. And ideas are true -- it's what makes them fanatic about it.
I agree that most religious fanatics don't even know what the "players" of their religion are though.
Not sure where you are coming from here, but I don't get your comparison. Why do u call soccer "an idea". It was once an idea before it became real. Like computers, bicycles, rockets, Dodge Viper etc... Everything started as an idea, until it becomes real. Everything of the above became real, while God still is an idea.
Supporters of soccer don't pray for the game itself, or for the idea behind soccer, but for their no.1 keeper, for their no.1 attacker and for their team to reach championship. So their beliefs are mostly personalized. Living beings. While the support of a religion / a god is still non personalized (talking about God, Allah, or similar).
And while supporters "hate" supporters of the opponent club (ManU vs Chelsea for exam., or Celtic vs Rangers, or PSV vs Ajax, etc...), but hardly "notice" people who do not even like football/soccer, it is different in religious cases. Those who do NOT believe at all are even worse than those who believe in the "wrong" god.
A football "fanatic" doesn't act in a bad habbit because "the book of his club" tells him to do so. He does everything because he thinks it needs to be done. He doesn't get lead by player's idea.
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posted April 28, 2008 05:24 PM |
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Those who do NOT believe at all are even worse than those who believe in the "wrong" god.
So your opinion is that atheis is worse than fanatic terrorist?
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