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Gnoll_Mage
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posted January 19, 2008 02:45 PM |
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Right, time to look at that letter. I apologise in advance for nitpicking, but I always get carried away with this sort of thing...
Dear developers of HoMM5Heroes of Might and Magic V,
I, am Wulfstan8182, a member of the Heroes Community forum, would like to ask you a favour. It's probably a good idea to start by saying how much you appreciate the series; I don't think they will react too strongly to being asked for a favour either. Also, is this definitely to be from you, or will a letter sent as a group carry more weight? Most Many of us have finished the campaigns a while ago and are have become interested in the game's modding. Our modding community is really big of a considerable size and growing every day, and we are already getting tired of just recoulouring the textures and fooling around with the effects. Slightly too insulting there maybe, with "tired" and "fooling"? Right now, one of the only few things left untouched is modifying the physical shape of the game's contents - the geometries, skeletons and animations, which are currently not editable. So, i I would like to ask you, from in the name of our community, to maybe give provide us with an exporter and importer that could be used to the editor you used for creation and editing create and edit the object's (creatures, heroes, buildings, etc.) - allowing changes to the skeletons, animations and geometry. Please make it downloadable or send it to me by e-mail. Thanksing you very much in anticipation for your time and effort,.
Wulfstan8182,
Heroes Community. Again, from you or from more people? Up to you o/c.
Redrafted version:
Dear developers of Heroes of Might and Magic V,
I, Wulfstan8182, a member of the Heroes Community forum, would like to ask you a favour. Many of us finished the campaigns a while ago and have become interested in the game's modding. Our modding community is of a considerable size and growing every day, and we are already getting tired of just recolouring the textures and fooling around with the effects. Right now, one of the few things left untouched is modifying the physical shape of the game's contents - the geometries, skeletons and animations, which are currently not editable. So, I would like to ask you, in the name of our community, to provide us with an exporter and importer that could be used to create and edit objects (creatures, heroes, buildings, etc.) - allowing changes to the skeletons, animations and geometry. Thanking you very much in anticipation for your time and effort,
Wulfstan8182,
Heroes Community
That's corrected grammar and spelling as far as I can see, now perhaps we need a few tone modifications to improve our chances of receiving a reply and ultimately acheiving what we aim to.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted January 19, 2008 03:13 PM |
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 Apart from one thing:
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 19, 2008 03:23 PM |
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Sssh, it never happened 
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted January 19, 2008 08:38 PM |
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thanks Gnoll_Mage. i appreciate your effort. and yes, i am asking from the name of our whole community.
EDIT:Here it is, edited by me again.
Dear developers of Heroes of Might and Magic V,
I, Wulfstan8182, a member of the Heroes Community forum, would like to ask you a favour from the name of our forum. Many of us finished the campaigns a while ago and have become interested in the game's modding. Our modding community is of a considerable size and growing every day, and we have already done many wonderous things with textures and effects. Right now, one of the few things left untouched is modifying the physical shape of the game's contents - the geometries, skeletons and animations, which are currently not editable. So, I would like to ask you, in the name of our community, to provide us with an exporter and importer that could be used to create and edit objects (creatures, heroes, buildings, etc.) - allowing changes to the skeletons, animations and geometry. Thanking you very much in anticipation for your time and effort,
Wulfstan8182,
By the request of Heroes Community
What do you think? sorry i had to edit because i ran my post count.
And also, which one do you think i should e-mail to? on the russian site there is also this e-mail hotline@1c.ru H5 was developed by Nival and russian company 1C did something as-well. it's a hotline, as you see.
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted January 19, 2008 09:23 PM |
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Edited by Daystar at 22:47, 19 Jan 2008.
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Nice!
And don't send it to the first one. My advice is to send the letter and ask that it be forwarded and that it be responded to, if only to say "This idea was recieved and sent to the propper person."
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 12:03 AM |
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hey, i've been working on the russian letter, and here it is. you need the russian text thingy to see it.
Уважаемый/ая дамa или господин, можете-ле вы направить последущее письмо правильнму лицу или группе. Спасибо.
Уважаемые разработчики Герои Меча и Магии V,
Я, Wulfstan8182, член Heroes Community форума, хотел бы попросить у вас следущее от имени нашего форума. Многие из нас закончили кампании некоторое время назад, и стали заинтересованными в моддинге игры. Наше моддинговое сообщество имеет значительные размеры и растет с каждым днем, и мы уже сделали многие фантастические вещи с текстурами и эффектами. Прямо сейчас, одна из немногих не затрагивающихся вещей это изменение физической формы содержимым игры - геометрии, скелеты и анимации, которые в настоящее время не изменить. Итак, я хотел бы попросить вас, от имени нашего сообщества, чтобы во обеспечили нас экспортером и импортером, которые могут быть использованы для создания и редактирования объектов (существ, героев, зданий и т.д.) - позволяющего измененять скелеты, анимации и геометрии. Благодарим вас.
Ваш добросовестно,
Wulfstan8182,
По просьбе Heroes Community
I decided to pack in an english version too.
Dear Sir or Madam, could you forward the following letter to the correct person or team. Thank you.
Dear Developers of Heroes of Might and Magic V,
I, Wulfstan8182, a member of Heroes Community Forum, would like to ask the following in the name of our forum. Many of us finished the campaigns some time ago, and have become interested in the modding of the game. Our modding community is of significant size and is growing every day, and we have done many fantastic things with textures and effects. At the moment, one of the few things that we cannot change is the physical content of the game - geometry, animation and skeletons, which are currently only viewable by fans in an unmodifiable format. So, I would like to ask you, on behalf of our community, to provide us with an exporter and importer, which can be used to create and edit physical objects (creatures, heroes, buildings, etc.) - allowing changes to skeletons, animations and geometry. Thank you.
Your's Faithfully,
Wulfstan8182,
At the request of Heroes Community
Also, if you know russian, maybe you can help me revise the russian version. thanks.
EDIT: it's ok Gnoll_Mage i see that you want this editor just as much as i do. just look at the letter, i ran my post count. and i removed the thank you statement because it's too hard to translate into russian. and it's campaigns in the russian version, guess i made a mistake while writing it out in OpenOffice. BTW, most of the stuff you told me to change, doesn't matter in russian, the differance just doesn't exist. any Better now??
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 12:37 AM |
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The tone of this is now much better, perfect and ready to go I'd say, but...
Why have you depluralised "campaigns"?
Change "have finished" back to "finished" and "became" back to "have become", these are the correct tenses.
Why have you changed "is of a significant size" to "has a significant size"?
There are two spaces between "is" and "growing".
Suggest replace "Right now" with "At the moment".
You need "is the" between "change" and "physical".
Depluralise "contents".
"Unavailble" is an incorrect spelling.
Having both "one of the few things..." and "which are currently unavail..." is pleonastic  , suggest replace latter with "which are currently only viewable by fans in an unmodifiable format".
"Provide us" needs to be followed by "with".
Why did you remove my thank-you statement?
It might be better to do the letter like this:
"Dear Sir or Madam,
Could you please forward the below letter to the correct person or team. Thank you.
"Dear developers of...
... yours faithfully,
Wulf."
Yours faithfully,
Wulf.
I.e. remove the other statement about sending it to the right person.
(That may be overkill, but you do really need at least a "yours faithfully" at the end of your main letter, just after the thank-you statement.)
Now reading that through makes me realise how negative and scathing it is. Sorry. But just try to answer the questions logically and justify why you changed stuff from my draft. Once you've explained, I may change my mind. Please don't hate me! 
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 12:44 PM |
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Quote:
BTW, most of the stuff you told me to change, doesn't matter in russian, the differance just doesn't exist.
I guess the issue here is which one they will take notice of. If they were likely to be reading the English one, I don't think the lack of difference in the russian versions would justify using close-to-incorrect English. However, the chances are, your Russian letter will be the one they take notice of. Since I can't do Russian, I guess I should stop whinging . But anyway, the English one is good now , I just wish I could read the Russian one. (Mind you, I don't think the two letters need to have exactly the same content, they can be slightly different.)
P.S. "Your's" shouldn't have an apostrophe. And we don't need the statement at the end of the main letter about forwarding it on now, do we?
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 07:22 PM |
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yeah, sorry Gnoll, totally forgot about it. so now we just have to decide which one we are gonna send it to. there is the 1C hotline, but it's basicly for reporting problems. or there are a couple of Nival ones which are both russian and english, see the linky above.
EDIT: the content is pretty much the same, but it is just worded differantly.
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 10:23 PM |
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I don't get why there are three support emails, one for 1C, one for `New Disk`, one for `Buka` - which one is relevant to the HoMM series? If it is 1C, I guess the hotline is the place to send it. Is there some way we could politely say in the email that we would like a reply, even if it is a "no, sorry, we can't do that for you"? Also, should we be considering Ubisoft in here somewhere?
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 10:27 PM |
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yeah, the 1C is the one, but we did say we want it forwarded, how about this, if i get a crappy reply from 1C, i'll send it to Ubi, if nothin happens there either, then we are gonna try one of the pure Nival ones, what do you think?
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Geny
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Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted January 20, 2008 10:40 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 22:41, 20 Jan 2008.
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Minor adjustments:
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Уважаемый/ая дамa или господин, можете-ле вы направить последущее письмо правильнму лицу или группе. Спасибо.
Уважаемые разработчики Героиев Меча и Магии V,
Я, Wulfstan8182, член Heroes Community форума, хотел бы попросить у вас следущее от имени нашего форума. Многие из нас закончили кампании некоторое время назад, и стали заинтересованными в моддинге игры. Наше моддинговое сообщество моддеров имеет значительные размеры и растет с каждым днем, и мы уже сделали многие фантастические вещи с текстурами и эффектами. Прямо сейчасНа данный момент, одна из немногих не затрагивающихсяподдающихься изменению вещей это изменение физическойие формы содержимымого игры - геометрии, скелеты и анимации, которые в настоящее время не изменитьподлежат просмотру, но не изменениям. Итак, я хотел бы попросить вас, от имени нашего сообщества, чтобы во обеспечили нас экспортером и импортером, которые могут быть использованы для создания и редактирования объектов (существ, героев, зданий и т.д.) - позволяющего измененять скелеты, анимации и геометрии. Благодарим вас.
Ваш добросовестно,
Wulfstan8182,
По просьбе Heroes Community
I also don't think that the word "добросовестно" fits well here, but cannot think of a good substitute right now.
Anyway, I don't insist on any of it, just take this into consideration and pick the version you like best.
One more thing, Shouldn't there also be a link to HC or something, so they know what Community are you talking about? It vould also link directly to the Modders workshop.
One last thing... good luck.
P.S. (ok so that wasn't the last thing) I thought that 1C is just a publisher/localizer company, how are they involved?
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 11:03 PM |
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I have no idea about 1C.
All I can say is (other than, thank you Geny!  ), this is the address we used for the Perfect Stronghold (ah, those were the days...):
dmitri.zakharov@nival.com
For all I know, he could have left by now.
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Suraklin
Hired Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 11:30 PM |
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Good luck with the letter! if you can get what you want it is gonna be a perfect add to the modders comunity!!
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 11:45 PM |
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Hehe thanks, although I doubt they will do anything about it...
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted January 21, 2008 01:21 AM |
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holy crap! i didn't know geny spoke russian . anyway, thanks. and here is the final version i think i'll send to 1C.
Уважаемый/ая дамa или господин, можете-ле вы направить последущее письмо правильнму лицу или группе. Спасибо.
Уважаемые разработчики Героев Меча и Магии V,
Я, Wulfstan8182, член Heroes Community форума, хотел бы попросить у вас следущее от имени нашего форума. Многие из нас закончили кампании некоторое время назад, и стали заинтересованными в моддинге игры. Наше сообщество моддеров имеет значительные размеры и растет с каждым днем, и мы уже сделали многие фантастические вещи с текстурами и эффектами. На данный момент, одна из немногих не поддающихься изменению вещей это изменение физическоие формы содержимымого игры - геометрии, скелеты и анимации, которые в настоящее время подлежат просмотру, но не изменениям. Итак, я хотел бы попросить вас, от имени нашего сообщества, чтобы во обеспечили нас экспортером и импортером, которые могут быть использованы для создания и редактирования объектов (существ, героев, зданий и т.д.) - позволяющего измененять скелеты, анимации и геометрии. Благодарим вас.
С наилучшеми пожеланиями,
Wulfstan8182,
По просьбе Heroes Community
Dear Sir or Madam, could you forward the following letter to the correct person or team. Thank you.
Dear Developers of Heroes of Might and Magic V,
I, Wulfstan8182, a member of Heroes Community Forum, would like to ask the following in the name of our forum. Many of us finished the campaigns some time ago, and have become interested in the modding of the game. Our modding community is of significant size and is growing every day, and we have done many fantastic things with textures and effects. At the moment, one of the few things that we cannot change is the physical content of the game - geometry, animation and skeletons, which are currently only viewable by fans in an unmodifiable format. So, I would like to ask you, on behalf of our community, to provide us with an exporter and importer, which can be used to create and edit physical objects (creatures, heroes, buildings, etc.) - allowing changes to skeletons, animations and geometry. Thank you.
Yours faithfully,
Wulfstan8182,
At the request of Heroes Community
It didn't show up for some reason but the actual letter will have a linky in the end where it says Heroes Community. it will link to HC's homepage.
EDIT: i sent it... the holy moments of truth have arrived... now we just have to wait...
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
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Scouting the Multiverse
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posted January 21, 2008 01:35 AM |
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Sounds good, Wulfstan. Even still, the drive for Nival to do anything extra is probably the world's smallest.
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 24, 2008 10:37 PM |
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted January 24, 2008 10:40 PM |
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nope, nothing. lets wait for another 3 days, so it would be a week that we waited for. and then lets send one to Ubi.
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suraklin
Hired Hero
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posted January 24, 2008 10:56 PM |
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Good luck guys! maybe ubi can helps, but i think that nival is who have to do it.
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