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posted February 20, 2008 10:39 AM |
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Hmmm...
All I wanted to say is that I think stem-cell research is something that can really help mankind. It may also get terribly out of hand when we have "geneengeniered soldiers" or you can "build" your own child and stuff like that. Well mankind will most probably use the technology for the worse but still I think the thing itself can be extremly helpful. Stem-cell research alone can't be evil it would be how you used it that makes it evil.
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posted February 20, 2008 10:47 AM |
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Gun Control: Take away all guns from individuals. They don't need them. Self-defense? If someone's breaking into their house at night, they're not going to be ready to defend themselves.
Agreed 100%.
How many schools need to be shot up before people will realize this?
Binabiks response: give the students more guns to protect themselves.
I find this ludicrous. Why don't we just give everyone in every college a gun and make it last man standing?
Ban guns. It works; just take a look outside.
However on the flip side I think drugs should be legalized. Not all obviously and they can be strictly regulated. Perhaps heroin etc can remain illegal but the less life threatening/addictive drugs such as ecstacy and marijuana can be legalized.
They would be produced by legitimate companies and as such quality would be assured. By this I mean in buying an ecstacy tablet the buyer would know what was in it instead of knowing it could be anything from under his kitchen sink... Thus making it more safe.
Because let's face it: If people want drugs, they can get it. Easily. The only difference is where the money goes. Instead of going to some Columbian drug ring it goes to the government and remains in the country. This money can be used to improve medical services etc. Tax it. Of course atm drug dealers make thousands of percent profit already so the price won't be a problem.
Provide safe injection houses for heroin as part of a medical plan etc.
Remember these things are no less dangerous or addicting than smoking its the high prices, the impurities and the spreading of diseases due to re-using syringes.
It could work.
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Death penalty: Keep it.
I don't see anything wrong with life imprisonment.
At least it's not so permanent. 
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Environment: Adopt a carbon tax, while cutting taxes for the poor and middle class to make up for it. Expand nuclear power, and invest in nuclear fusion research.
Again, thankyou.
Did you hear that the Bush administration recently cut funding for a carbon capture farm, which captures carbon emissions from the atmosphere and stores them under the sea, a technology that could potentially make USA carbon neutral. Now it is set back but 3-5 years, a very dangerous situation for the rest of the world.
Carbon tax is a no brainer.
Nuclear power I agree whole heartedly and fusion would solve all our problems. (Well not all... )
And as for stem cell research... denying it really comes from ignorance and is merely delaying the inevitable, while hundreds of millions of people die of preventable diseases.
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posted February 20, 2008 11:03 AM |
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And as for stem cell research... denying it really comes from ignorance and is merely delaying the inevitable, while hundreds of millions of people die of preventable diseases.
So true. The question is how many people will die until people will finally realize it (basically as you allready said).
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posted February 20, 2008 11:10 AM |
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Now that there is potential for Adult Stem-Cells, there might be less resistance (new findings indicate that it might be possible to harvest just as many from a living adult person without harming them as a fetus). Of course it may just be rumors and not true (one problem with the internet, can't always believe what you hear). I don't like the idea of fetus 'farming' for stem-cells, but I have no problem if they come from adults, especially if they don't harm the person.
Now, I am not about to debate the whole "When is a fetus alive" thing. To big a nest of vipers there. However, there is something to consider regardless of 'when'. Who might that fetus have grown up to be? The next Einstein? The person who finds a cure for cancer? Maybe the person who finally perfect an engine that allows us to exceed the speed of light (however that might be possible)?
Ok, I am not against abortion. Especially in cases of rape. Not exactly for it, but not against it either. That again is a nest of vipers and one I won't touch. For smarter people then me to decide  .
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posted February 20, 2008 12:10 PM |
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Using stem cells isn't as bad as abortion. Especially since it goes to help other people.
And the two can be combined.
And AFAIK adult stem cells don't really work for stem-cell research (taken from bone marrow) because they can't differentiate into any kind of stem cell (as un-variegated stem cells can), only a specific few.
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posted February 20, 2008 12:19 PM |
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posted February 20, 2008 01:27 PM |
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I find the whole illegal soft-drugs issue to be hypocritical. Alcohol is in the EXACT same catagory as other soft drugs - the only difference is that Alcohol is culturally accepted, and thus allowed. Doesn't make it any less hypocritical.
TA has the only good stance on this issue. Where I live (Netherlands) soft-drugs are semi-legal, and it's the one issue I'm actually proud of about my country. I've done weed, grew bored with it after a while. None of us really got addicted.
Quite frank the only accidents that happen with soft drugs here are with foreigners who visit for the soft drugs... Go figure.
I hope the stances on drugs will grow more liberal here, if only to have better overview on it.
The whole idea of incapable people owning and using guns is bogus. Moreover the whole idea that an OFFENSIVE tool is to be used as a "self DEFENSE" tool, is plain retarded and laughable.
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posted February 20, 2008 01:56 PM |
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They would be produced by legitimate companies and as such quality would be assured. By this I mean in buying an ecstacy tablet the buyer would know what was in it instead of knowing it could be anything from under his kitchen sink... Thus making it more safe.
Imagine your kid turning a TV on and seeing drug commercials...
"Sponsored by McRasta - higher than high!"
"Exy - ecstasy with style!"
"You don't rust with Angel Dust!"
I mean, for chrissakes man.
Going by that logic, we can legalize theft, too. There will always be a lot of it - so why not tax it? That way money doesn't go to criminal rings, but to the government.
And murder, while we're at it. You could have hitmen in the yellow pages... "George Peterson, professional hired killer. 20% discount for every third victim!"
Oh, or child prostitution? "Good-quality children for every self-respecting pedophile!" You could have ads with Michael Jackson and stuff...
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posted February 20, 2008 02:11 PM |
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LOL, how do you plan on doing this? I don't mean how do you plan on making such a law, that might be possible (but very difficult). I mean how do you plan on enforcing the law?
Stop selling guns and buy back people's guns.
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Stop regime change...? You're implying that it's already policy and I disagree.
You don't think that it's policy? Look at Afghanistan and Iraq. Look at Iran and the Shah.
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Give the UN more authority? HELL NO!!!! They already have too much authority and have grabbed power way beyond their purpose.
Such nationalistic frevor is what caused Hitler to come to power.
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Close it? Why?
Because much of it is being used as an illegal torture facility.
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Teaching of creationism has just as much place in schools as any other theory.
Creationism isn't a scientific theory.
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Keep in mind that what you are suggesting will drive wages down for existing citizens.
It'll increase competition, which is a good thing.
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I say raise the SS tax and do it NOW before it's too late!!!
NO! That would be too expensive.
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A carbon tax or something similar is fine, but unrelated to taxes of poor and middle income families.
Actually, it is related, because a carbon tax on its own would hit the poor and middle class harder than the rich. So we should give them a tax cut to make up for it.
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How about cut spending and DON'T raise taxes?
Because in many cases we shouldn't cut spending.
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Keep the federal government the hell away from education.
This just shows that you're completely ignorant about the education system.
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And please tell me who has the right to decide who is to live and who is to die when the criminal is already in jail and no longer a threat?
If you commit a crime, you pay the price.
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Daylight savings time? Don't care. Crunch the numbers and find out if it really works to save energy. Either it does or it doesn't work.
Personally, I use the same amount of energy during daylight savings time and out of it.
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On the other hand, many of the outsourced jobs are higher wage jobs, not lower wage.
Actually, most outsourced jobs are manufacturing jobs.
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And why do you want to ruin the Chinese economy so badly?
Because we're building up a rival superpower.
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Bribe them to stop their program? And then if they don't what? Say pretty please with sugar on top?
Lift the sanctions, then put them back quickly.
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In the real world it will just make the 'poor' and middle class almost like slaves, and prices might drop a little, but not near what they should. Only the already rich like this idea.
The wages of people who are making minimum wage or above would not drop.
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Run it exactly like Canada.
Except Canadians come to the US for treatment.
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The problem with our econmomy is not china.
China is currently keeping us up. What would happen if China were to go under?
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Here I agree with Binabik. Creationism (no matter how obviously stupid it is...even from a (educated) christian point of view) has just as much right to be thougth as Evolution.
It has place in a church, not in a school. Schools should teach science, and creationism isn't science.
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posted February 20, 2008 02:55 PM |
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Imagine your kid turning a TV on and seeing drug commercials...
"Sponsored by McRasta - higher than high!"
"Exy - ecstasy with style!"
"You don't rust with Angel Dust!"
I mean, for chrissakes man.
Going by that logic, we can legalize theft, too.
Legalizing doesn't automatically mean commercials. In germany, smoking is legal, but u r not allowed to make commercials on tv about any brands.
Commercials are allowed in cinemas and on wallpapers / newspapers, magazines.
So I would say, legalize drugs, but put horrendous taxes on them (like we have on smokes and on alcohol).
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posted February 20, 2008 03:18 PM |
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There are a myriad of things I disagree with about your plan Mvass, but unfortunately, I only have time to respond to one.
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Gun Control: Take away all guns from individuals. They don't need them. Self-defense? If someone's breaking into their house at night, they're not going to be ready to defend themselves.
Actually, a lot of people are able to defend themselves with guns when their homes are being broken in to. Taking away a valuable method of self-defense because of some people who abuse the system is foolish. Think about it. You make guns illegal for citizens to own. Is that going to stop criminals from getting their hands on guns? No. It's similar to how drugs are illegal, yet they are incredibly easy to obtain.
Furthermore, in most instances of disarmament, the crime rates have gone up, not down. For example, look at Great Britain and Australlia. Both countries banned firearms after national tragedies and took away all the legally owned guns from the citizens. Now the hot-home invasions, robberies, and other violent crimes have spiked. What what fear do criminals have of robbing a home if they know the owner isn't going to be carry a firearm? And you say it's already too late to defend yourself? It's better to have a chance to defend yourself than not having one at all.
Additionally, such disarmament serves to weaken citizens not only against criminals but corrupt governments. In just about every instance of genocide in the 20th century, genocide was preceeded by disarmament. It happened with the Armenians, Jews, Cambodians, and will most likely happen to Zimbabweans under President Mugabe. Strip a population of its ability to defend itself and it becomes that much easier to dominate and exterminate them.
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I find this ludicrous. Why don't we just give everyone in every college a gun and make it last man standing?
Ban guns. It works; just take a look outside.
No. No it doesn't As I stated above, it makes people weaker. What is needed is more education on firearms. I agree with Binabak here; give everyone a firearm. Do you think that jerk (yes, I think he's a jerk. I don't care if he was the nicest guy in the world who unfortunately went off his meds. He inteded to kill and succeeded in doing so. There is no forgiving a person like him.) who shot up the university would have pulled a gun on the students if everyone had a gun? Not likely. It's similar to how Switzerland's men receive mandatory military training and are giving a gun when they return to civilian life. Amazingly enough, they have almost no gun crime.
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posted February 20, 2008 03:38 PM |
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Legalizing doesn't automatically mean commercials. In germany, smoking is legal, but u r not allowed to make commercials on tv about any brands.
My point still stands. Is it alright to legalize crimes and simply put high taxes on them?
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posted February 20, 2008 03:41 PM |
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I may yet live to see an assassin's tax. 
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posted February 20, 2008 04:07 PM |
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Legalizing doesn't automatically mean commercials. In germany, smoking is legal, but u r not allowed to make commercials on tv about any brands.
My point still stands. Is it alright to legalize crimes and simply put high taxes on them?
No your point doesn't stand Angelitos does.
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posted February 20, 2008 04:35 PM |
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Legalizing doesn't automatically mean commercials. In germany, smoking is legal, but u r not allowed to make commercials on tv about any brands.
My point still stands. Is it alright to legalize crimes and simply put high taxes on them?
Why is Marihujana more of a crime than high percentaged alcohol is?
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posted February 20, 2008 04:40 PM |
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There are a myriad of things I disagree with about your plan Mvass, but unfortunately, I only have time to respond to one.
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Gun Control: Take away all guns from individuals. They don't need them. Self-defense? If someone's breaking into their house at night, they're not going to be ready to defend themselves.
Actually, a lot of people are able to defend themselves with guns when their homes are being broken in to. Taking away a valuable method of self-defense because of some people who abuse the system is foolish. Think about it. You make guns illegal for citizens to own. Is that going to stop criminals from getting their hands on guns? No. It's similar to how drugs are illegal, yet they are incredibly easy to obtain..
Have u ever thought about all the other tons of countries who do NOT have such a gun law like the USA and still have much lesser burglary than USA has?
The problem with the guns in America is the "comparativeness". Someone breaks into your house. You shoot him to death.
Would a burglar get a death penalty if cought?
Someones comes to your house and hits u hard in the face. You (not you!) are a whimp..no power...so u get your gun and shoot him. Death coz of a face hit?
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posted February 20, 2008 04:52 PM |
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So you are saying the criminal's right not to be harmed while committing a crime outweighs the innocent victim's right to defend himself and his property?
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posted February 20, 2008 05:09 PM |
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If you have a burglar in a house and you go at him with a gun, you pretty much assure that one of you will end up dead. If you have no gun, its more likely you will both survive and he will run away. He was there to rob you , not kill you.
On other hand, if he was there to kill you, your gun wont save you when faced by (most likely trained) assassin.
So, guns wont change a thing,, and I'm happy to live in a country that has them forbidden.
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posted February 20, 2008 05:10 PM |
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Creationism isn't a scientific theory.
So?
I think everyone should be as free as possible, to choose what he wants to learn. And for that he needs to be shown possibilities, not hiding it from him (like you intend to). What makes you think students don't want religion, just because you don't want it? Or what makes the evolution theory more 'important'? Just because you think it's more logical?
And besides, who said schools should teach science? I think they should teach cultural wealth and life lessons instead. You go to science if you WANT to learn science, not be forced more than religion. Remember not everyone thinks like you.
I would like to see schools with absolutely no forcing on anyone to learn something whatsoever. Of course, all the available classes should be described, but I think students should pick the ones they want (not forcing them to either learn something or not learn it at all just because others decide for them).
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Actually, it is related, because a carbon tax on its own would hit the poor and middle class harder than the rich. So we should give them a tax cut to make up for it.
The rich people will probably not like it, and they're the main influence, so you'll only get the country into trouble.
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This just shows that you're completely ignorant about the education system.
Actually I have to agree with Binabik here. Having the 'federal' power to make up decisions for the education is simply a way to force people to 'think' like the government want them to -- and often that's not good at all. If we are at it, I think the citizens should have more impact in this than just a bunch of federal guys. And also I would like education to be more 'free' in that respect.
NOTE: discipline is not learned by force, only by understanding and comprehension
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If you commit a crime, you pay the price.
Ok, so you're the one to set up this price? It's not your right to take his life -- that makes the criminal have that right too? It works both ways, you see, not subjective as you want it.
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Because we're building up a rival superpower.
So you're really not totally against patriotism, eh?
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Lift the sanctions, then put them back quickly.
I don't think it's that simple, sorry
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It has place in a church, not in a school. Schools should teach science, and creationism isn't science.
Subjective and plain wrong. See above.
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Someones comes to your house and hits u hard in the face. You (not you!) are a whimp..no power...so u get your gun and shoot him. Death coz of a face hit?
Would you rather get into a fight with him? Would that be better? Your attitude is not controlled by power, you'll do it anyway, and forcing you off isn't going to change much in you.
The "Death coz of a face hit" should be rather dealt with by penalizing you in a court. But I don't think it's your fault since he entered your property, so there if the Court can sentence a criminal to death penalty (if he violated some important law or whatever) I think you can have a word in that too.
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posted February 20, 2008 05:11 PM |
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So you are saying the criminal's right not to be harmed while committing a crime outweighs the innocent victim's right to defend himself and his property?
Read : killed
Which do you find more important, a human life or property...
@TheDeath or Azagal. You really think that creationism should be taught to children at schools in a similar manner that evolution is?
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