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TheDeath
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posted February 28, 2008 03:58 PM |
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@mvassilev:
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Because no one doubts that trigonometry is true. And no one doubts that it's useful.
Well everything is "useful" (depending on what you mean by it), but that doesn't make everyone learn everything.
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Arithmetic is useful in real life. So is trig. What's the difference?
You encounter arithmetic in almost all day-to-day things (not jobs necessarily!). Trigonometry is not always needed. Plus you can always learn it by yourself if you truly want (and trust me, it's very simple if you truly "want" it rather than be forced to).
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posted February 28, 2008 10:05 PM |
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Well everything is "useful" (depending on what you mean by it), but that doesn't make everyone learn everything.
Currently, schools attempt to teach everything that is useful. They don't do it very well, but...
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posted April 04, 2008 09:45 AM |
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TA's Plan for Fixing America
1. Get rid of all Americans.
The plan for fixing Iraq was to add more Americans, and look how that turned out. Clearly the wrong approach.
By removing all Americans from America, we would achieve;
-Crime rates would drop to 0
-Unemployment would drop to 0%
-Road toll would be 0
-The streets would be safer
-There would be less reports of domestic violence
-There would be no more littering
-Drugs and underage drinking no longer an issue
-Less deaths from firearms
-America would be Carbon Neutral!
All problems solved! It's foolproof.
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baklava
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posted April 04, 2008 02:06 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 14:06, 04 Apr 2008.
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I'd resurrect the peanuts awards just so TA's post could get one
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mvassilev
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posted April 17, 2008 04:20 AM |
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roy-algriffin
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posted April 17, 2008 04:37 AM |
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Use the americans to form a human wall on the border (you save costs for wall building too!) and if you sell their clothes you can finance anti-global warming initiatives!
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posted April 17, 2008 09:26 AM |
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you take one country thats gone down the pan, say america, and you claim you can fix it...
america isn't the one sick here. as soon as obama or Mccain comes in, it will be fine.
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posted May 19, 2008 07:15 PM |
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Be carefull!
If you are a patriot american\hungarian then you will be banned for racism!
Unfortenetly, Anti-Patriotism is a great problem today.
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posted May 19, 2008 08:35 PM |
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Read over page 1 and i agree on most of it:
Taxes: Needed
Gun Control: I agree, either way its too easy for a criminal to get his hands on a gun. It apply's all ways, as for hunting. You would need a license and are only allowed to coarry your weapon under following conditions:
*Weapon can only be armed when hunting
*Need to pass a semi-hard test to be allowed to hunt
*Carring the gun is puclic is stricly forbidden, only to and back from whatever vehicle that you need to use to get to the "hunting zone". And ammunition must be a bit away from it for safety reasons.
Iraq: I agree.
Israel-Palestine: Agree
Iran: Your paranoid, once they get out of the paranoid regime thingy down there there won't be anymore propaganda against them.
US got nukes too ya know? It can be the exact same argument.
China: whatever, does US got any assosiation with China anyway? Only i can see is some cheap manufactoring. And there is still Europa along with the rest of Asia and Africa and Australia.
Cuba: Agree
North Korea: See Iran. agree
Sudan: Agree
General Foreign Policy: Agree
Guantanamo Bay: Agree
PATRIOT Act: Agree
Abortion: I think i will have to read what you suggest first somewhere.
Stem-cell research: Agree
Seperation of church and state: Totaly agree!
Trade: Free trade helps the economy and keeps prices down, as well as improving quality or lowering costs by forcing companies to compete worldwide.
Minimum Wage: Abolish it. It'll decrease unemployment.
Welfare: Agree i guess
Economic Stimulus package: I wonder
Illegal immigration: Agree, however what about someting permanent mark on the body upon attempting to enter illegal?
Legal immigration: Agree!
Health Care: Agree
Social Security: Agree
Subsidees: Agree
Environment: Much more can be done, but good enogh for a start.
Budget Deficit: Very important, and not talked about enough. Cut spending and increase taxes as necessary to elliminate the debt and budget defecit.
Subsidees: Just veto all pork barrel legislation.
Education: Agree i guess
Affirmative action: If i knew what it was
Reparations for slavery: ?
Drugs: Agree
Death penalty: Better regulations needed. And faster kill upon a total comfirm.
Other: Agree on the Dayligth saving, its soo freaking confusing it times. It's sweet during spring however if i remember correctly.
I agree on most points of this plan, all it lacks it some law that forbids discrimination from 1 religion to another
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posted May 19, 2008 08:54 PM |
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Unfortenetly, Anti-Patriotism is a great problem today.
I view anti-patriotism as a good thing, in many cases.
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Affirmative action: If i knew what it was
Affirmative action is giving minorities "points" for race when applying for jobs or university.
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some law that forbids discrimination from 1 religion to another
Explain.
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roy-algriffin
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posted May 20, 2008 05:28 AM |
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But isnt forbidding patriotisim a violation of freedom of speech (in the vast majority of cases, Sure theres serious actions form it, But most of the time)
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posted May 20, 2008 07:25 AM |
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If you really want to 'fix' america here are a few ways to get started in the right direction (and boy will these be very unpopular).
First make it mandatory for everybody to do the hardest dirtiest jobs they can physically do. (And all people who claim to be physically ill would have to be varified by 3 independant doctors that are observed by people who watch them like hawks so they are not bought off). Two years minimum.
Second anybody who wants to be a supervisor, manager, or such for a job must do that job for another 2 years. No colledge degree bypass, actually have to work AT the job. Then they can go to colledge and get a degree.
Colledge (of ALL kinds) should be absolutely free. Equal chance for everybody to get the same type of education.
Full equal rights. Everybody who puts in for a job should be treated equal, and the most qualified get the position. No special treatment do to 'quotas' or such.
People should stop blaming people for things that happened a long time ago.
Lower Minimum Wage - but enforce a strict penny for penny program. Every penny that a company saves MUST get passed on to the consumer. Not 75%, not 83%, but 100%. (The only way a lower minimum wage would be acceptable to me).
Tax money only once, not a dozen times like now.
Anybody getting money from the government from welfare should have to work to earn it, except in severe cases.
Strict term limits, and no heritage jobs in the government.
Strict watchdogs for lobbist, government officials, etc. Open access to all financial transactions for anybody working in congress or senate (and especially the judicial and president ).
Stop living afraid. The security checks for planes is insane. Terrorist strive to create fear, when you stop being afraid they LOOSE.
Stop the double standards. Everybody who wants can say whatever they want about 'white people', but let a 'white person' say something and the world is ending. I won't even get into the whole woman/man thing. Would deffinately get a -qp there.
That is enough ... for now. Remember, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones..anybody know a good window repair person?
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posted May 20, 2008 02:14 PM |
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But isnt forbidding patriotisim a violation of freedom of speech (in the vast majority of cases, Sure theres serious actions form it, But most of the time)
I'm not saying that we should forbid patriotism, but we shouldn't encourage it.
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First make it mandatory for everybody to do the hardest dirtiest jobs they can physically do. (And all people who claim to be physically ill would have to be varified by 3 independant doctors that are observed by people who watch them like hawks so they are not bought off). Two years minimum.
No. This is a terrible idea, because many people will be simply wasted in jobs where they are not as productive as they could be. Why force a doctor or an engineer to be garbage men?
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Second anybody who wants to be a supervisor, manager, or such for a job must do that job for another 2 years. No colledge degree bypass, actually have to work AT the job. Then they can go to colledge and get a degree.
No, see above.
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Colledge (of ALL kinds) should be absolutely free. Equal chance for everybody to get the same type of education.
Hmm... Maybe college should be free for anyone who can get in.
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enforce a strict penny for penny program. Every penny that a company saves MUST get passed on to the consumer. Not 75%, not 83%, but 100%. (The only way a lower minimum wage would be acceptable to me).
The free market already does that far more efficiently than any government ever would.
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Tax money only once, not a dozen times like now.
Yes, abolish the sales tax, it's regressive. But we might need to adopt a carbon tax, so we'll have taxes in two places.
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Anybody getting money from the government from welfare should have to work to earn it, except in severe cases.
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Strict term limits, and no heritage jobs in the government.
I agree about heritage jobs, but term limits, while having some benefit, would restrict the voters' choices.
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Stop living afraid. The security checks for planes is insane. Terrorist strive to create fear, when you stop being afraid they LOOSE.
Stop the double standards. Everybody who wants can say whatever they want about 'white people', but let a 'white person' say something and the world is ending. I won't even get into the whole woman/man thing.
Agreed.
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posted May 21, 2008 12:42 AM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 00:45, 21 May 2008.
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1. Get rid of all Americans.
The plan for fixing Iraq was to add more Americans, and look how that turned out. Clearly the wrong approach.
By removing all Americans from America, we would achieve;
-Crime rates would drop to 0
-Unemployment would drop to 0%
-Road toll would be 0
-The streets would be safer
-There would be less reports of domestic violence
-There would be no more littering
-Drugs and underage drinking no longer an issue
-Less deaths from firearms
-America would be Carbon Neutral!
All problems solved! It's foolproof.
The ironic thing is, first, I laughed. Then, I had to agree with you
Face it: You can't fix a society which is overpopulated and has a snowed up mentality in at least half the population, without eradicating at least half the population. That definition includes every single part of the world.
Seriously, Sometimes the mess is so big you first need to whipe it in order to start with a clean plate.
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Terrorist strive to create fear,
Terrorists are an imagination created by the government
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posted May 21, 2008 12:48 AM |
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America is not overpopulated. It sustains itself. There are no famines. And I can think of nothing more wrong than exterminating people.
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posted May 21, 2008 02:49 AM |
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Colledge (of ALL kinds) should be absolutely free. Equal chance for everybody to get the same type of education.
Who's going to pay for it?
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posted May 21, 2008 06:26 AM |
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People richer then you are paying taxes . as usual. Youd have to abolish teacher unions of course to force the price down.
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posted May 21, 2008 06:58 AM |
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One of the problems with companies now is people who have never actually been in a job make the requirements for a job. They have no clue what is required, how long it should take, or any of a number of different things.
They know the theories, and averages, and 'status quo'. However, they just don't take into account that too often special circumstances arise. So they set unrealistic goals. That is why EVERY person who makes the 'rules' should have to live under those conditions for 2 years. No exceptions. To show them exactly what they are doing.
Give you an example I witnessed about 6 years ago. Auto parts maker is setting up new machines for a fuel filter assembly line for a new type of car. There 'book smart' people figure "Hey we get a full crew, run the machines for a week, we can figure a daily quota." Which is good on paper and in theory, not reality. So they figure the number per day that should be made. Only...
They forget that not everybody is equal in every job. Machine malfunctions, raw material shortages, people shortages, packaging shortages, and on and on and on. After 6 years, not once has the quota ever been filled. Because it was done with OPTIMAL conditions. 99.9% of the time, nothing is ever done under Optimal conditions.
Now if those 'brainboys' had worked on that line for 2 years..they would have been able to figure out how to achieve more efficiant conditions. I am 'book smart' but I am also life experience smart. Trust me, life experience is a much much better teacher.
That is why I say that you should have to get your hands dirty if you want to tell others how to get theirs dirty. The most effective leader is one who won't ask somebody to do something they won't (or havn't) done themselves.
Of course 'wealthy' people think they are above such things. I actually pity them.
As for free colledge I am working on that. Though perhaps internships at actual places might be a better option. Get some of that real world experience.
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posted May 21, 2008 01:58 PM |
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And you would force them to work at the hardest jobs? Think of what a waste of talent that would be. And you shouldn't ever force annyone to work anywhere.
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