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bixie
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posted June 09, 2010 10:42 AM

I think it's too soon to do that, personally.

I mean, One piece did that perfectly, but it had a long time to do it, so the change was gradual. with Fairy tail, if they did it now, it would be too jarring.
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del_diablo
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posted June 09, 2010 11:07 AM

One Piece at the least bothered to kick the main char quite a bit, to damage the sidekicks, to have a proper emotional tale.
Fairy Tail is moar p0rn and poor writing.
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DagothGares
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posted June 09, 2010 12:50 PM

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One Piece at the least bothered to kick the main char quite a bit, to damage the sidekicks, to have a proper emotional tale.
Fairy Tail is moar p0rn and poor writing.
Maybe you just don't get it?
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posted June 09, 2010 10:02 PM
Edited by Adrius at 22:04, 09 Jun 2010.

Just watched the first episode of Gundam SEED.

Extremely catchy opening I must say, also anti-gravity boobs.

Better than expected. Will watch more.

EDIT:

@Joonas: Nope, still reading.
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del_diablo
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posted June 09, 2010 11:09 PM
Edited by del_diablo at 23:14, 09 Jun 2010.

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One Piece at the least bothered to kick the main char quite a bit, to damage the sidekicks, to have a proper emotional tale.
Fairy Tail is moar p0rn and poor writing.
Maybe you just don't get it?

What is there to get besides generic shounen with a bit more empasation on friendship?



Oh, Bleach 408 is out..... "The final Getshouga Tenshou"..... What do you mean you did not use that to slay Aizen what you did not have the chance? Even going by current powerscale they can not slay him without the ability to ignore his armor....... Hold on a second, unless girl Orihime don't just happen to have that ability does she?
But noooo, your going to teach the crappy main character a really ridicules move you are not using yourself.
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DagothGares
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No gods or kings
posted June 10, 2010 01:33 AM

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What is there to get besides generic shounen with a bit more empasation on friendship?
Don't know. You sound like you don't get the story. This is usally the case when people tell the authors of media how to do their job. They don't get the point of the author or where he is taking the narrative.
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del_diablo
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posted June 10, 2010 09:25 AM

I do get it, I do get the "point", I just don't get all the crappy writing and the plot along with the oversized cracks in the setting.
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DagothGares
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posted June 10, 2010 09:27 AM

Oh, well, crappy writing is crappy writing. Don't make excuses. if you don't like the style and dialogue, then you don't like the style and dialogue. No need to call a spade a tool for digging.
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del_diablo
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posted June 10, 2010 10:04 AM

There is after all no reason to call red haired John a car after all too.
There is several plot points and setting problems:
*Apparently a part of the entire "magi" scheme is to learn more than 1 magic type, how come none practice it?
*Apparently the power level roof is ridiculessy low, nobody can do anything, and who can take what is not specified at all?
*Dragons are god-like in power..... how come the only thing left for the main characters to beat on the power scale is dragons?
*Edoras..... we see in a scene mooks that are properly equipped, how come we never see this again? How come there is a ridiculess variation in level when all that is varied is equippment?
*Dropped plot points, gemini anyone? Or that Lucy is  never useful?
*Who are going to be able to keep with with the saiyins?
*We see Erza getting mentioned as a monolith earlier in the series, how come Natsu suddenly get stronger in a few weeks time for no apparant reason already has surpassed her?

And lets not start on the plot holes shall we? At the least it has not run long as Bleach, which is brimfilled.
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DagothGares
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posted June 10, 2010 12:31 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 13:00, 10 Jun 2010.

Listen, I never even read fairy tale.

What you are doing is saying how ugly the color purple is to a blind person. Sure I can imagine its hideousness, but I don't know it. From an outsider's viewpoint, though, there is little sense to call out on certain things in certain media. Calling out on "plot holes" in artistic, narrative media is especially dangerous, beause it isn't always just because of lazy or bad writing. Sometime it's entirely possible you don't get what the author tries to convey or you don't follow the narrative, rather you pick out inconsistencies which the author and the intended audience doesn't care about at all. This makes you a bad reader, rather than the author a bad writer (though, it's entirely possible you both are bad readers and writers)

I mean, sure, you can criticise hellsing as a thoughtful analysis on post-world war II imagery of Nazi-Germany and the british war hero image, but frankly that would be retarded. You should judge it on the sexistic, gory boomfest that it is. If it pretends to be anything else, then you can criticise it on that. (Hellsing doesn't pretend it, though, and is, therefore, in some ways, perfect)(Commas! I haz them!)

You can say how you'd have preferred it, but that doesn't mean it's better. Sure, I (and many others) would like twilight more, if it was set in a post-apocalyptic future and every thirteen pages some dude's head exploded, but it would make it worse in terms of the media it's intended to be (of course, we can have problems with the media of romance literature, but that's an all-new discussion. <Actually, if you hate romance media, then why are you reading it, anyways?)

Anyway, here's the thing that lead me to deduce you might not understand it:

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They waisted (sic) the oppertunity (sic) for moving from retarded happyland towards a more grimdark setting, with tons of better plot.


Maybe fairy tale (I only know it by name and nothing else) isn't supposed to be darker? Maybe the plot is supposed to be "smacktardedly happy". I don't know, judging from the title it seems logical, but if elfen lied has taught me anything, it's this: title and intro means jack in certain situations.

This is actualy a discussion that goes through many media and has been among certain critics: is "darker and edgier" better? Many people whose opinion I respect say: "no, but it sells and that's why it exists."
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del_diablo
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posted June 10, 2010 01:04 PM

DagothGares: Stop playing the devils advocate, you are doing a lousy job. Fairytail is approximatly the same "setting" in tone as One Piece, and its shounen.
I am giving it critic after that.
Besides, either read it and defend it or don't.
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DagothGares
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posted June 10, 2010 01:14 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 13:16, 10 Jun 2010.

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DagothGares: Stop playing the devils advocate.

I'm not.
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Besides, either read it and defend it or don't.
Pfeh, I was here pouring my heart out about this matter and there you go doing something like that.

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I am giving it critic after that.
Also, this is far from proper english. In fact, it's so improper, I do not understand the point this sentence is trying to convey. For heaven's sake, man, this is english, not latin! Enunciate, goddammit!
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del_diablo
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posted June 10, 2010 01:54 PM

But you are being the devils advocate, sort of.
Besides, using 1 wrong word does not make a sentence completely unreadable. Replace that with all....
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Elvin
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Tastes like chicken
posted June 10, 2010 02:21 PM

Umm not really, he knows what he's talking about.
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del_diablo
del_diablo


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posted June 10, 2010 03:05 PM

*sigh*
It orginally started with me bashing Fairytail for wasting its good opportunity to write a proper plot.....
What I mean by that was that the arc had tons of potential, and about all of it got thrown out of the window.
I might have phrased myself wrongly, but the point is that the author waisted a good plot.....

And I tend to compare Fairytail to One Piece, quite simply because they got a lot of the entire "friendship" story shared, comparing it so something darker and edgier would be inappropriately done, because its not dark nor edgy.
In the end, I associate used a wrong word "grimdark", i think its more a long the line of stop waisting plot. The exact moment we saw that Edoras was a different world, I at the least saw the possibility change away from generic shounen, like One Piece(uniqe)  or Naruto(whom still are shounen).
I think i should have said: "Fairytail is quite good, if you ignore the plot".
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OmegaDestroyer
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Fox or Chicken?
posted June 10, 2010 03:09 PM

I think Naruto is great, if you ignore the plot, annoying characters, and uninspired battles.
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del_diablo
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posted June 10, 2010 03:17 PM

At the least they respect power levels compared to other series *cough* Bleach *cough*
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 10, 2010 03:19 PM

Really?  Last I read, Naruto had almost unlimited charka due to some demon.  

And let's not forget the ungodly stupid eye thing that Sasuke and the others had.  
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DagothGares
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posted June 10, 2010 03:23 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 15:24, 10 Jun 2010.

PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE KOMBAT

*DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN*

EDIT: misspelled kombat.
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del_diablo
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posted June 10, 2010 03:28 PM

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Really?  Last I read, Naruto had almost unlimited charka due to some demon.  

And let's not forget the ungodly stupid eye thing that Sasuke and the others had.  



Lets call it a day and stop this pointless discussion, we are deraging into a weird flamewar.
Anyhow, Naruto has yet to get on the "infinte kyuubi chakra", the question are if Kishimoto will ruin the plot by giving it to him(because at the latest chapter he is bust taming the fox.... )
Its just to wait and see.
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