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Just watched really funny replay. Arcane archers 105 of them hit black dragon with 5096 damage, killing 16 of them, while few momments before 32 emeralds hit same black dragon stack with 5380 damage. Arcanes got lucky. Stil, it wasn't Ossir, as some of you probably think, otherwise at lvl30 you should add 75% damage to a total of almost 9000 damage. Both heroes were around lvl 30.

So, we all agree that arcanes aren't imba, but lets look to some other lower lvl units and see how many of bears, golems, minos, footmans,... will take to do that kind of damage, not to mention doing it in first strike
Better yet, lets skip lvl 3.
Will go for lvl 4. ....
Make it lvl 5.
Nothing, yet.

lvl 6 - probably few of them can mach this damage, but you got to do it in first turn.
So, here's an interesting question (haven't tried it so I would really like to know, if someone can answer):

How many flame lords, paokai, pit spawn, champions, wraiths, ...
do you need to do that kind of damage, in first strike? Or better yet what month does have final battle to take place, so you could amass such amount of lvl6, considering normal gameplay in terms of building order, costs, ... Or how many of them will survive next shoot from that same stuck of carefully shielded arcane archers.

So I will say it once again: yes there are major imbalances in tote such as: stalkers, flaming arrows with triple ballista, dv, but most of all: arcane archers. Because you can agree on no hit and run and reduce warlock advantage, you can kill ballista (easist way with arcanes, spells, sabotuers, other ballista), you can resist dv, but meeting split stack of arcane archers with ossir or wyngaal is hardest of them all. And if you "balance" all except them, what is left next time when you face arcane "flaming arrows" archers. Taking away swift mind sure is not gonna help.
So fixed them all, 4 or 5 what's a difference.

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Could you please update the master post with the current changes approved and debated, as we shouldn't scroll down through 6 pages of text to understand what people are talking about...

@Samiekl

Vezi, am batut eu la cap pe toata lumea suficient de mult ca trebuie un mod, si baietii s-au apucat sa il faca...

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1. Diminish Stalker invisibility effect.

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So, what do we do with the 5th TOH MOD component - arcane archers? Now, they are better than Master hunters in respect to damage (no range penalty, -50% defence) and initiative. Perhaps reducing initiative to 9 OR reducing attack dmg to 6-7 would do?

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Fix sprites !

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Two days before i played on Dragon Pass against honorable player, baron, on Dragon Pass, i started on position 4 as Sylvan, i was lucky and get shackles... He was Dungeon, his first hit@run was more like hit@die Game Over . After game he accused my i used best start position on map, Sylvan are imba, so almost i cheated ... I proposed second game, were he started as Sylvan on position 4 ... In one week he start comments like - Freaking elf's, no wood, archers to week, too easy to  loose ... Maybe game are not so imba ... Maybe imbalances are in our minds

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Fix sprites !

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What about them? Cute, half naked nymphs... The only thing I'd like to improve is to add ability "come out of the screen"

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Two days before i played on Dragon Pass against honorable player, baron,  i started on position 4 as Sylvan, i was lucky and get shackles... He was Dungeon, his first hit@run was more like hit@die Game Over . After game he accused my i used best start position on map, Sylvan are imba, so almost i cheated ... I proposed second game, were he started as Sylvan on position 4 ... In one week he start comments like - Freaking elf's, no wood, archers to week, too easy to  loose ... Maybe game are not so imba ... Maybe imbalances are in our minds

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I play this days only RMG size huge, last game on Dragon Pass was because i can't play with my opponent on rmg, game crash then try to join room ...

Dragon Pass remain one of my favorites maps ... All players that think start position n4 imbalanced, are invited to play it against my ...

To Elvin - you do not need any advise, we don't have common battleground

To Foolishman - for sure you are better map maker compared to UBI/Nival... I proposed you second game on Dragon Pass, many time pass  2 weeks - 1 month, don't remember, you came and ask for game on Dragon Pass, i said i play now RMG, because played too many games on DragonPass, get bored by this map ... If you still want Dragon Pass  welcome ...      

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