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Drako_the_noob
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posted May 02, 2008 04:19 PM |
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Civilians shoud have right to have Firearms, mainly in Hungary.
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posted May 02, 2008 04:36 PM |
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Lol I actually managed to accidentally delete my own post 
On-topic, I don't understand how guns would solve the tense situation between Hungarians and Gypsies... 
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Drako_the_noob
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posted May 02, 2008 04:38 PM |
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Lol I actually managed to accidentally delete my own post
On-topic, I don't understand how guns would solve the tense situation between Hungarians and Gypsies...
Becuse... most Gypsies are poor, they cannot ard guns.
All unarmed people are afraid of guns.
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TheDeath
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posted May 02, 2008 04:51 PM |
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Sorry if it didn't get quite clear in the example but the thing is that you shouldn't assult the intruder with anything but simply cooperate. Then there will be noone dead (unlike if you were armed).
Except for the fact that you will be financially destroyed. In this way you can be robbed more times consecutively. Also there are a lot of psychos out there that don't want to steal something, but hurt you as well.
Think of it this way: no one has guns, therefore the intruder doesn't have either. Now suppose he enters your house. What do you do? Do you fight him or simply cooperate? I guess most people would choose to fight with him. But what if he beats the snow out of you?
some people would probably get a knife or something to get the burglar. Most likely it'll be a financial disaster for you if you let him win. Not only but think that some criminals also want to hurt you.
But I guess if the burglar breaks into a cop's house he'll have some sort of gun (the cop I mean). Is that fair? Why should the cop not suffer a financial disaster like the rest of us?
You can be robbed many times and then it'll really be a pain in the ass.
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posted May 02, 2008 05:04 PM |
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Becuse... most Gypsies are poor, they cannot ard guns.
All unarmed people are afraid of guns.
I still don't understand.
Do you propose to arm Gypsies, or people who are against Gypsies?
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Drako_the_noob
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posted May 02, 2008 05:07 PM |
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Becuse... most Gypsies are poor, they cannot ard guns.
All unarmed people are afraid of guns.
I still don't understand.
Do you propose to arm Gypsies, or people who are against Gypsies?
Noooooo...
I just said that the rate of crinals is more at gypsies than whites.
And also: I want to arm every 14+ people.
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posted May 02, 2008 05:14 PM |
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Let's ask that question after few years Drako  You have much to learn young padawan 
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posted May 03, 2008 02:12 PM |
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Think of it this way: no one has guns, therefore the intruder doesn't have either. Now suppose he enters your house. What do you do? Do you fight him or simply cooperate? I guess most people would choose to fight with him. But what if he beats the **** out of you?
I would say the opposite.
Nearly every person would not fight them.
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Except for the fact that you will be financially destroyed. In this way you can be robbed more times consecutively.
How often is someone financially destroyed by multiple robberies, by the same person as I believe you are insinuating...
Also you can get insurance
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Also there are a lot of psychos out there that don't want to steal something, but hurt you as well.
In movies...
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posted May 03, 2008 02:15 PM |
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So when a guy breaks into your house, you do nothing, but even cooperate and help him steal your stuff? (that means you won't even call the police, he will get angry for you not cooperating and will probably destroy the phone and hurt you).
never saw any people like that.
besides, who said that guns will necessarily kill the intruder? Do cops, since they have guns, always kill the suspects (even if they are armed)?
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posted May 03, 2008 02:19 PM |
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You call the police after they leave...
Not every one is Bruce Lee. Think of all kinds of people who own a house, elderly men, middle aged men, women, younger/weaker people.. they're not going to go into a punch-on with a burglar.
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Do cops, since they have guns, always kill the suspects (even if they are armed)?
I don't follow this logic... cops are trained not to, and aren't emotionally involved...
I don't see how anyone can argue that guns will help/prevent any kind of violence or crimes, or do anything but help them...
The only world I can imagine where guns promote peace is a scary one indeed...
And even that doesn't involve EVERYONE having guns (much less civilians)
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posted May 03, 2008 02:23 PM |
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You call the police after they leave...
Do you know how many times they get away with that (I mean at least serious burglars that are not detectable easily)? Also, not every police is dependable, especially in my country
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Not every one is Bruce Lee. Think of all kinds of people who own a house, elderly men, middle aged men, women, younger/weaker people.. they're not going to go into a punch-on with a burglar.
That's why they are always easy targets and preferred by burglars (especially if they are rich).
But I guess that security guards are a wrong concept too (in facilities), because in your house you should be the guard.
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I don't follow this logic... cops are trained not to, and aren't emotionally involved...
And why would you be emotionally involved, unless you know the burglar?
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posted May 03, 2008 02:29 PM |
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That's why they are always easy targets and preferred by burglars (especially if they are rich).
But the point was that you said you didn't know anyone who would submit to a burglar. I'm saying most pople would...
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But I guess that security guards are a wrong concept too (in facilities), because in your house you should be the guard.
Why? That seems very old fashioned to me. Up there with dying in battle or something
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And why would you be emotionally involved, unless you know the burglar?
Because it's your house...
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posted May 03, 2008 02:49 PM |
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And why would you be emotionally involved, unless you know the burglar?
Because it's your house...
So if he has not taken anything at all from you, it's not going to be "OMG, you walked on my floor, you die bastard!", unless you're a crazy maniac, in which case you'll get into a fight with him anyway (even if you're not strong enough to take him).
Think of it like this:
You both have guns, and he breaks into your house. You have two options:
1) Cooperate with him just as you would if you were an old man without a gun.
2) Fight with him just as you would if you were Bruce Lee.
The point I'm saying is that in the end, it's still your choice, and guns kinda 'transform' you into Bruce Lee, if you know what I mean. You still have the option to cooperate, but I doubt many people want that.
Some people that want to kill the burglar and do it sensitively (like I said before) will also get into a fight because they're not thinking straight (unless the burglar has a gun and you don't, in which case you'll cooperate).
What if the burglar steals your personal stuff or computer (with personal data)? Does that have insurance too?
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posted May 03, 2008 03:09 PM |
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So if he has not taken anything at all from you, it's not going to be "OMG, you walked on my floor, you die bastard!", unless you're a crazy maniac, in which case you'll get into a fight with him anyway (even if you're not strong enough to take him).
Yes, because he's come into your house with the intent to take something...
A fight with a gun is very different I hope you know.
You see the burglar bang he's dead. You keep your tv...
You don't need to cooperate in order to save your life anymore... you can just take his.
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What if the burglar steals your personal stuff or computer (with personal data)? Does that have insurance too?
Just kill him then...
This is an unlikely scenario. Back your stuff up
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posted May 03, 2008 03:20 PM |
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I am absolutely amazed at how many people think that a criminal's life is worth more than a victim's right to self-defense.
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posted May 03, 2008 03:42 PM |
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You can defend yourself without taking a life.
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posted May 03, 2008 04:00 PM |
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So owning a gun automatically means you are going to take a life if attacked?
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posted May 03, 2008 04:03 PM |
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So owning a gun automatically means you are going to take a life if attacked?
Not at all. You don't have to shoot the targets head or torso. You can also shoot his leg or arm which means you don't kill him, you just make him unable to fight.
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posted May 03, 2008 04:10 PM |
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Exactly. So then what's the problem with civilian's owning guns then?
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posted May 04, 2008 03:26 AM |
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So owning a gun automatically means you are going to take a life if attacked?
No, not in theory.
As the death said, in theory you don't have to fight at all, in which case no one gets hurt.
But in practice nearly all people will. They will shoot, often to kill.
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