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posted May 06, 2008 04:57 PM |
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What is even more disturbing is the number of kids (under 18) dying by gun shots in the States. If I recall correct, it is on 2nd or 3rd place in ranking of "how do kids die".
That's not because of guns, but because of gangs (especially black vs white) that there are in the US. A lot more 'street' fights or 'school' fights are available there (and actually, in my country sort of, where we don't have guns, we stab with knives or fists).
First of all, that is only an assumption from your part. Sure gangs are alive in USA, but by putting all the blame there without evidence, you are just a believer. So after you give me evidence of that, we can continue.
And when we continue I ask you this : Would the death toll be as high (in the gangs for example, if that is the primary reason for kids dying) if they didn't carry a gun?
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posted May 06, 2008 05:06 PM |
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First of all, that is only an assumption from your part. Sure gangs are alive in USA, but by putting all the blame there without evidence, you are just a believer. So after you give me evidence of that, we can continue.
Or more common stereotypia, Some politics put the blame to gangs without looking the real facts.
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And when we continue I ask you this : Would the death toll be as high (in the gangs for example, if that is the primary reason for kids dying) if they didn't carry a gun?
Yep, they would use their bare hands, they are part of problem but not it entirely.Sure there are alot of criminals but that dosent mean a regular person can't use a gun.
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posted May 07, 2008 03:11 AM |
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What I find interesting also is the low amount of traffic deaths in Germany compared to those in the States, even though we have no official speed limit. One more proof speed limit doesn't mean safer driving..
Less Alcohol means, however
Less Alcohol means, in Germany? 
And according to Angelito's stats, the USA gun death rates compared to Germany, (assuming USA pop of about 304 million, giving Germany 0.27% of the population) is about 6.8x.
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posted May 07, 2008 05:17 AM |
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Everybody carries then everybody is on the same playing field plain and simple....
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posted May 07, 2008 05:25 AM |
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posted May 07, 2008 05:37 AM |
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That's not because of guns, but because of gangs (especially black vs white)
What? Where do you people come up with this stuff?
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posted May 07, 2008 06:30 AM |
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I've been asking that for 5 years.
Gangs are significant, but not a majority (I don't think I've seen statistics on it, but I'd be very surprised if it was a majority).
As I mentioned earlier, gangs were responsible for the spike in murders in the early 90s while the overall trend of both murders and violent crime in general has been declining for at least 20 years.
But black vs white. That's funny
I'd guess that black vs black, white trash vs white trash, Mexican vs Mexican, redneck vs redneck, and husband vs wife account for the vast majority of murders. (did I forget any) And both alcohol and drugs play a very significant role.
There is a MUCH stronger correlation between alcohol and murder than there is between guns and murder. And an even stronger correlation between urban setting and murder than guns and murder.
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posted May 07, 2008 10:04 AM |
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That doesn't really hold up because there's not one sole cause for murder that is being investigated...
We're just discussing one cause in this thread
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 26, 2008 04:45 PM |
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del_diablo
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posted June 26, 2008 04:58 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 26, 2008 05:02 PM |
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Criminals will get their hands on guns regardless of any bans. They want to kill you, they'll find a way to do so.
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posted June 26, 2008 05:30 PM |
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Criminals will get their hands on guns regardless of any bans
WRONG!
Lets se here, in a country like Norway you will have to get a hunters licence or be in a shooting club to get your hands on a weapon legaly.
However, in US it is 6000% easyer to get your hands on a weapon legaly.
The next problem is that then criminals(even potential ones) WAY TO EASY can get their hands on guns legaly, what is better eh? The police and about all civil people running around with guns shooting stuff? The criminals got it way to easy to steal guns?
In Norway you would either get it legaly, or steal one.
In the US it is more like: "going and buying one" because it is very easy to do so, so it removes tecnicaly the option to steal one.
And lets say a thief gets his hands on a gun, in Norway they *MIGHT* aim on him and say stop. They does not however need to do so before the criminal attempts to use force.
In the US it is different, there somebody just snaps up a weapon and most likely starts shooting the police. Otherwise the police does anyway is to point the guns.
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posted June 26, 2008 05:33 PM |
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WRONG!
Lets se here, in a country like Norway you will have to get a hunters licence or be in a shooting club to get your hands on a weapon legaly.
But criminals are not ordinary people! They steal guns. The fact that you can buy a gun in US is better only for those that are NOT criminals, because the criminal will always be able to get a gun, either by stealing or other dirty works.
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posted June 26, 2008 05:34 PM |
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In Norway you would either get it legaly, or steal one.
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In the US it is more like: "going and buying one" because it is very easy to do so, so it removes tecnicaly the option to steal one.
Let's see. Buying a gun is a legal way of obtaining a firearm. Stealing a weapon is always a viable option for the intrepid criminal. Since you can obtain a gun legally or steal one in the US, I suppose we are just like Norway.
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posted June 26, 2008 05:40 PM |
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But criminals are not ordinary people! They steal guns. The fact that you can buy a gun in US is better only for those that are NOT criminals, because the criminal will always be able to get a gun, either by stealing or other dirty works.
Agreed.
When a criminal knows he is going to break the law, what reason does he have to obtain the gun legally?
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del_diablo
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posted June 26, 2008 06:09 PM |
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Oh i forgot to mention: You are not allowed to carry a gun either in Norway. There are strict rules on it, if you are caught with hidden weapons your going to jail. If you are caught with a non-hidden weapon you will get a fine or go to jail.
I think i saw somewhere that is in like only new York in the US your not allowed to carry a gun anywhere.
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posted June 26, 2008 06:17 PM |
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There are plenty of places where you may not carry a gun. In my state alone, there are 13 places where a person may specifically not carry a concealed weapon. Those typically include courts, stadium events, schools, churches, bars, etc, etc.
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posted June 26, 2008 06:27 PM |
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There are plenty of places where you may not carry a gun. In my state alone, there are 13 places where a person may specifically not carry a concealed weapon. Those typically include courts, stadium events, schools, churches, bars, etc, etc.
Are you allowed to carry one on the street?
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 26, 2008 06:31 PM |
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If you have a permit, yes.
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posted June 27, 2008 04:38 PM |
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If you have a permit, yes.
The idea is: all criminals may then walk around with guns as they please. Image somebody walking around with a very sharp sword(everybody knows it is sharp) down the street carrying it so it can easly be drawn, is that not a treat?
Then look at the guns, in comparision to swords and cutting weapons all they need is to:
1. Work
2. Have bullets
With both of these applyed they are are fully working and is equal to a sharp sword.
Follow my logic: The person with the sword is to be viewed as a equal treat to somebody carrying a gun.
Then we go over to the US, as soon as panic spreads everybody can easly start shooting down whatever causes the paranoia. If the crowds of people start acting like a bunch of cows they will be very hard to stop along with being very deadly.
So in the end, it is a mess. Guns create more guns, if everybody was to take a complete test to se if they was mature enogh to carry one or someting like that if would maybe work.
However, it does not exactly work that way.
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