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posted July 23, 2008 10:09 PM |
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Well LFG is influenced by wow beyond ANY shadow of a doubt so I coul easily believe that he is designed as a wow warlock. However the character itself is another matter.
Also I'd find it hard to believe that Sohmer did not copy Drizzt, I mean Cale's resemblance is striking and the parallels too many.
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posted July 23, 2008 10:20 PM |
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Everyone is coping Tolkien anyway  
EDIT: as x-wow player I'll like to clear it - I don't know about this game but the LFG comics is inspired by the wow universe - I'm sure.
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posted July 23, 2008 10:22 PM |
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And even Tolkien copied mythology
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posted July 23, 2008 10:23 PM |
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There is a difference between "copy" and "being inspired by"
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posted July 23, 2008 10:26 PM |
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There is a difference between "copy" and "being inspired by"
As fan of them both I want to be softer
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posted July 23, 2008 10:30 PM |
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But anyways, is it a mumorpuger? Because if it's online and I have to pay for it, I might as well stop being interested in the game, right now.
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posted July 23, 2008 10:34 PM |
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Hmm, IIRC it's not a MMORPG
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posted July 23, 2008 11:54 PM |
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Tolkien is overrated.
Or maybe its just me who dont like the "evil without a reason" and "the people that are über good" concept.
The LFG group is of course inspired by WoW lol.
It seems to be set in some kind of pararell-universe of the Warcraft world. It has taurens and gnomes etc.
(did you know Tauren was a anagram of nature? )
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posted July 24, 2008 12:03 AM |
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Well, Sauron is evil because he lusts for power and Saruman is evil, because he is a coward. Now, i don't see why Illidan is branded "evil" he had good intentions. I mean, anyone who wants to kill Arthas is a good guy IMO. Except when you want to take his place, that is. I also don't see the motivation of the eredar, actually, they are a lot more evil without a reason.
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posted July 24, 2008 12:23 AM |
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Erader was the original name of the dranie,the drani means exiled in there lenguage.
Erader ware curropted by lust for magic just like the high elfs,and meny other races as well as a titen sergers himself.
as for illiaden,he just took the slogan,the couse justifys the means one step to high. He 'souled his soul' by being tricked by sergers to open the portal to that world in the first place.He is also did it again to kill Tychodrius by consuming the skull of guldan. and even once again when allying himself with killjaden. he might be against arthas,but he is a devil now. so its lesser of 2 demons.
he poses more threat then lich king does actualy,as nerzuhl-arthas powers are much more limited then killjaden. nerzhul tried to trick killjaden and thats why hes there in the first place. he is just getting back at him
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posted July 24, 2008 02:15 AM |
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Eredars are a corrupted and enslaved race. They dont really have a choice. The Burning Legion (demons) may be evil in the eyes of us but in their eyes they are doing something good.
The Burning Legions project is called "The Burning Crusade" (the same name as the expansion ) and it seeks to undo what the Titans did.
They think that the universe failed and should be reborn but at the same time they thirst for power and harvest several worlds of magic daily.
The Burning Legion is far, far larger then the small amounts of troops we see in WoW. Did attack many worlds at the same time across the universe.
Anyway about the eredar- as a lore nerd of Warcraft I will correct you.
Yes the Eredar was the orginal race of the Draenei. The Draenei didnt exist then. The Eredar had three leaders.
The Eredar was a god and powerful race. The leaders were Velen the Prophet, Archimonde the Defiler and Kil'Jaedan the Deceiver.
Note that this titles (... the defiler etc) was used much later.
Their society flourished on the beutiful planet of Argus. But then Sargeras came - the Dark Titan.
He promised the Eredar great power if they joined his forces. But Velen had seen into the future and saw that joining Sargeras would only lead to the Eredars ultimate destruction.
But Kil'jaedan and Archimonde didnt listen to Velen and most of the Eredar joined the Burning Legion and was corrupted into demons.
Velen and his Eredar fled from Argus with the help of the mystical beigns of pure light called the Naaru.
They fled to the world Draenor meaning "Exiles Refuge" and became great friends with the native orcs and learned shamanismn from them. These exiled Eredar called themself the Draenei, meaning the Exiled Ones.
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Illidan is called the betrayer, but just as he says in Wc3 cinematic he is always the one that is betrayed.
Illidan was never evil. He sacrificed a lot to combat the Burning Legion, the Scourge etc.
He didnt sell his soul.
In the War of the Ancients (and very old war between the Night Elves and Burning Legion) Illidan made a pact with Sargeras.
However this was only because he wanted to spy on the demons and even though that he became hated.
Illidan took the Skull of Gul'Dan and drained its power to make himself strong enough to combat the Nathrezim Tichondrius.
Shortly after the Third War (Warcraft 3 without expansions) Illidan was visited by Kil'Jaedan who offered him more power.
Of course Illidan wanted power but the Kil'jeaden also wanted him to destroy the Frozen Throne and the Lich King.
And he had a good plan of doing it.
So Illidan accepted the offer, hoping to be able to destroy the Lich King and the entire Scourge. He was almost successful but that is another story.
There are no devils in Warcraft. Silly religion has no place in a planet distant from Earth.
Illidan was good, but the way he combated evil was not very accepted by others and you could say that Illidan made a little bit to much sacrifices. In my opinion the reason we kill him is a mindunderstanding when Kael'thas is the true villian of the Burning Crusade expansion.
Perhaps his brother Mal'Furion will ressurect him someday.
Illidan posess almost no threat at all... Kil'Jaedan does however and is much stronger then his creation, the Lich King.
The Lich Kings story is a long thread so if you want to ask or want me to tell about everything here in long versions then make a new thread. I might create a summary of Warcraft 3.
To make a long story short, the Lich King discovered necromancy and saw that his powers could counter the demons and thus he would be able to free himself from the demons grasp and the Scourge could forge their own destiny.
And the High Elves never got corrupted. You are thinking of the Highbourne that became completly manipulated by the Burning Legion.
You may also think of the Wretched or the Fel Elves whom only recently appeared.
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posted July 24, 2008 02:20 PM |
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Wait wait, this is not a Warcraft thread
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posted July 24, 2008 02:31 PM |
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Tolkien is overrated.
Or maybe its just me who dont like the "evil without a reason" and "the people that are über good" concept.
Few things to consider:
1) Not all races are humans, probably have different mentalities (esp. demons for example), they don't need to have a "Reason" apart from perhaps causing suffering? That's they're job, not all are only self-interested
2) Tolkien did a brilliant job at it, actually. He created kinda unique races (well mentally) -- not just acting like a human. What's so big about being human? Why everyone needs to act the same level and have self-interested "reasons" just as humans do?
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posted July 24, 2008 07:48 PM |
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But no animal on Earth lives completly only to cause suffering!
It makes no sense that nature would create a speices that would only live to destroy.
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posted July 24, 2008 07:54 PM |
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Uh, just how "natural" are fantasy games anyway? How "natural" are demons?
We can design machines that are pure evil. Why can't a different world, especially with "gods" and all that?
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posted July 24, 2008 07:55 PM |
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I'm reasonably certain that Tolkien's Orcs weren't naturally created.
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posted July 24, 2008 07:56 PM |
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Is what Christopher lee said in the movie true, perhaps? That orcs were tortured and cursed elves?
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posted July 24, 2008 09:00 PM |
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Yeah I know the Orcs are not natural but several other speices are that are always evil in some fantasy games.
But I always thought that Sauron was one of those "evil without reason" characters and I dont understand what he wanted to do other then destroy everything.
Still, im convinced that LOTR is "Good VS Evil" themed and I dont like it and I dont get what was soooo great about LOTR.
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posted July 24, 2008 09:10 PM |
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But I always thought that Sauron was one of those "evil without reason" characters and I dont understand what he wanted to do other then destroy everything.
Why can't that "destroy everything" be a reason or job for some different race/creature than humans?
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Still, im convinced that LOTR is "Good VS Evil" themed and I dont like it and I dont get what was soooo great about LOTR.
Yeah, I don't get what is soooo great about WoW either...
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posted July 24, 2008 09:55 PM |
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My teacher says LOTR became famous when the LOTR movies came. Im not sure if I belive that because all others says that LOTR has always been famous.
Why? Because it makes no sense! Why would nature develop a speices that lives to destroy!!???
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