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Howver what I really HATE is how soooo many countries ADORE and WORSHIP the US
Like Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize two years ago, ehm why? Afaik the US are at war. Ridiculous.
I think you missed last years one.
A chinese guy got it.
He is an author, and he is fighting for human rights.
On the other hand, he is a madman of the Ronald Reagan type, who is willing to stain bloody everywhere for the sake of more capitalism and democracy in the "American way"™.
I forgot his name, but it proves that the prize has lost its worth. It is nothing but a political farse T.T
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I cannot bring myself to hate my country, nor can I hate any country that has abused its power over the years. If any one nation rises and has more power than every other single nation, then they are either hated because they have that power and they don't use it to give every other country what every other country wants, or they are hated because they use said power to keep themselves alive longer and in power longer, thus making themselves hated longer.
The US is not evil.
No country that abused its power was evil.
No country is evil.
There is no truly evil country. Only those that struggle to survive with their way of life intact.
1. Do you have moral ethics?
2. If you do have them, why do you not follow them?
3. If you do attempt to follow them, why do you not attempt to follow them?
Good, evil? Such silly nonsense, it is more about being inmoral with yourself.
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posted January 04, 2011 10:49 PM |
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1. Do you have moral ethics?
2. If you do have them, why do you not follow them?
3. If you do attempt to follow them, why do you not attempt to follow them?
Good, evil? Such silly nonsense, it is more about being inmoral with yourself.
I do indeed have ethics, and I would never compromise them. I know people who would. It is an individual choice. But I think you got the definition of evil wrong. Evil is when someone with power abuses it to break every other person with less power. While that may be the stereotypical response, I have something to add. It is that abuse of power that happens while there are people with the power to stop the oppressor from being in power. It is not the acts, but the person being able to get away with those acts that makes them evil (Slavery, the Holocaust, Chernobyl, etc.)
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del_diablo
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posted January 05, 2011 08:24 AM |
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Still, didn't your country ignore its own moral code for burning and rape and fun?
I agree it does not make your country evil, but I dislike the term. I like the term "morally disgusting" a bit more.
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gnomes2169
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posted January 05, 2011 10:36 PM |
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Didn't yours do the same when it was rising?
But anyway, I do agree that morally disgusting would be a better term for what is happening.
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posted January 05, 2011 10:55 PM |
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I think America and indeed every country in the world is desighned to try enrich its people at the expense of the rest of the world. The result is that every country claws at others and therefore every country is clawed. Countries are just flawed in that way.
In America's defence it generaly has been willing to enrich its own people. Some countries don't even do that.
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posted January 05, 2011 10:57 PM |
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Another very good point.
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posted January 05, 2011 11:10 PM |
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Another very good point.
Yes well I am less patrotic than you are. Although this nation state system is the best we have right now I am all for trying to find a new global system for I am sick and tired of "claws".
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posted January 06, 2011 02:42 AM |
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No, America is not evil. She is a shining light in the darkness.  She fought for her own freedom and then began fighting for the freedom of others. Because of her great beauty some hate her. 
Yet she remains the prefered nation to immigrate to.
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US is still the world's leading destination for immigrantsAmerica now has 43 million foreign nationals, more than any other country, with a million more arriving every year.
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With 43 million foreign nationals on American territory in 2010, according to UN forecasts, the US remains the world's prime destination for immigration, well ahead of Russia, with 12.3 million immigrants. In all, some 13% of the population were born outside the US. For the last five years its "migratory balance" – the difference between the number of people entering and leaving the country – is estimated at 1 million a year.
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del_diablo
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posted January 06, 2011 03:52 PM |
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Didn't yours do the same when it was rising?
But anyway, I do agree that morally disgusting would be a better term for what is happening.
My didn't, it was more or less a vasal state since good ol' black death.
Eugenics, a bit of racism, that would actually be the only things under our boots.
And why do you think i term it "morally disgusting"? I would have been OK with it, if you Americans had a actual moral on it. Instead, what happens when the people are exposed? They are shunned because it is against societies moral. And then you have the entire power seat attempting to cover it over, instead of just cleaning up the mess.
If there was nothing to cover, and society had the moral, it would be acceptable.
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gnomes2169
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posted January 07, 2011 12:56 AM |
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If there was nothing to cover, and society had the moral, it would be acceptable.
Which part of everything "Us Americans" are doing is that? I'll admit that we are doing some morally reprehensible things, but please don't make it sound like all of us are part of the problem.
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del_diablo
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posted January 07, 2011 09:20 AM |
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If there was nothing to cover, and society had the moral, it would be acceptable.
Which part of everything "Us Americans" are doing is that? I'll admit that we are doing some morally reprehensible things, but please don't make it sound like all of us are part of the problem.
You elected the people, you keep on the farse.
You partially allow popularists like Palin to go around and spew out nonsense you actually disagree with as a society, but you allow it to happen. It is not about freedom of speech, which you ironically started restrict back in 2001 for the sake of some madmen who ran into a tower.
It might be a flaw in the system, it might be caused by corruption, it might be just unintention problem of democracy, or something entirely else.
When wikileaks leaks something, it is good: The social moral is a societies moral. What happened is that everything done in the backrooms for the most was against what society think a moral and a norm is. And then the goverment don't at the least attempt to clean up and take responsibility, instead it all goes on towards propaganda and blaming a random person for it all.
You as a person are not responsible, but your people as a partial hivemind is responsible.
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posted January 07, 2011 02:33 PM |
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No, America is morally good, not morally disgusting.
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You elected the people, you keep on the farse.
You partially allow popularists like Palin to go around and spew out nonsense you actually disagree with as a society, but you allow it to happen.
Unlike socialist nations, the US believes in free speech. A free society can't exist unless one is free to express his opinions. I say it is the liberals in the US who are spewing nonsense, not Palin. Oh, I don't agree 100% with anyone.
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When wikileaks leaks something, it is good:
When someone conspires to steal state secrets and publish them with intent to harm the US it is evil, not good.
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posted January 07, 2011 03:03 PM |
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No, America is not evil. She is a shining light in the darkness. She fought for her own freedom and then began fighting for the freedom of others. Because of her great beauty some hate her.
Except for that extermination of Native Americans, that was an accident.
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del_diablo
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posted January 07, 2011 03:45 PM |
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No, America is morally good, not morally disgusting.
Then why are you not running out with a pitchfork on something your government did that is unacceptable?
You have a good reason: They decided to NOT clean up the mess, and instead acted irresponsible.
You might stick a shoe on it and say "But its 'bamas government!", but considering the amount of career politicans you got running around, and all the bribes going around, it is not much different from under Bush, or any previous president?
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You elected the people, you keep on the farse.
You partially allow popularists like Palin to go around and spew out nonsense you actually disagree with as a society, but you allow it to happen.
Unlike socialist nations, the US believes in free speech. A free society can't exist unless one is free to express his opinions. I say it is the liberals in the US who are spewing nonsense, not Palin. Oh, I don't agree 100% with anyone.
And we socialist nations unlike you capitalist inferiority at the least attempt to avoid hypocritical behavior.
It ain't about political direction, it is about NOT attempting to clean up your act and then not acting responsible for your actions.
If you say something, your firmly at the least display you stand behind it, and then you just *sigh* and then do not do it, then something is wrong.
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When wikileaks leaks something, it is good:
When someone conspires to steal state secrets and publish them with intent to harm the US it is evil, not good.
I will say you wait for them to start publishing the bank papers before opening your mouth far to early.
And harm? There would be no harm done if somebody had just taken responsibility of violating their own morals.
And what do you think of cases like Watergate, or anything the papers publish? Condemn the revelations of those too, because they too are exposing the same things, under the same terms.
The only thing special about wikileaks is that they are quite radical about what they do, they want real dirt so things can be cleaned up.
So far, they have held that line, the moment they degrade into just another information source on the level of normal newspapers of is the day when wikileaks have failed. But at the moment they are doing it quite well.
Another thing: Quite little of what is published is state secrets, even if: What is the point of keeping your screwup a secret when you are not a simple person, but a large government which is suppose to act like it? Especially when it is something fundamental, at the least to your morals.
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posted January 07, 2011 04:02 PM |
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So far nothing wikileaks published had any "shock" value. Most of the things that got published people could guess themselves.
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Raelag84
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posted January 07, 2011 05:35 PM |
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You elected the people, you keep on the farse.
You partially allow popularists like Palin to go around and spew out nonsense you actually disagree with as a society, but you allow it to happen. It is not about freedom of speech, which you ironically started restrict back in 2001 for the sake of some madmen who ran into a tower.
It might be a flaw in the system, it might be caused by corruption, it might be just unintention problem of democracy, or something entirely else.
When wikileaks leaks something, it is good: The social moral is a societies moral. What happened is that everything done in the backrooms for the most was against what society think a moral and a norm is. And then the goverment don't at the least attempt to clean up and take responsibility, instead it all goes on towards propaganda and blaming a random person for it all.
You as a person are not responsible, but your people as a partial hivemind is responsible.
Look...We have only two jerk parties to vote for, both of which are good at keeping secrets from us. We the people don't have as much power as you think so please give us a brake.
Futhermore I think the question if "America is Evil" should be expanded to include other countries, because honestly I think the whole system is messed up.
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posted January 07, 2011 06:27 PM |
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Look...We have only two jerk parties to vote for, both of which are good at keeping secrets from us. We the people don't have as much power as you think so please give us a brake.
You are roughly 300 million people are you not? I am well aware that you don't hold any power at all to do any changes, especially combined with the size of your country. But still, it has been going on for some time now, you are slowly becoming a third world country, and I doubt anybody of you is going to be able to stop it.
I say: Enjoy the ride, or start a revolution.
Of course, I am sorry for all of you.
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Futhermore I think the question if "America is Evil" should be expanded to include other countries, because honestly I think the whole system is messed up.
My rifle is over there, take it and shoot [/sort of serious humor]
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posted January 07, 2011 06:49 PM |
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But still, it has been going on for some time now, you are slowly becoming a third world country, <snip>
The Hyperbole Highway doesn't lead anywhere enlightening, thought-provoking, friendly or otherwise positive, my friend.
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posted January 07, 2011 06:57 PM |
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Evil? The only evil I see is Lord Evil and that's a totally different matter.
Honestly, every country has their little quirks and flaws, even those upturned nosed Scandinavian saints! America does it thing, ya'll do yours. That's how it works. It really isn't fair to judge another culture and country when you are raised in a different culture and country yourself. You just aren't going to completely understand it, period. It also doesn't matter how much of an international bub you are, you still are raised within your country and therefore understand your country the most. For example, I don't quite understand the French, and there are things in there that I think are just absurd. However, I am not part of the culture and country and do not completely understand it. Therefore whatever I say about France would be considered to be a biased misinterpretation of the country. So anyone non-American can think however they wish to think about America, but it still wouldn't matter because they are subconsciously thinking about it from their own culture's viewpoint. It is possible to weaken these cultural barriers within your mind, but it is impossible to break.
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gnomes2169
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posted January 07, 2011 11:12 PM |
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Ah, Diablo I've just thought of something. So Hitler and a minority of the Germans in WWII thought that it was morally right to commit genocides and conquer other countries because they were "Inferior races". Well, if it was their moral standpoint, then obviously it would have been morally disgusting for them not to commit the war crimes that they did. See the paradox? Want more of them? Isn't finding a standpoint that can't be twisted around against you annoyingly hard?
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