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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted November 04, 2008 01:19 PM |
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@Eugen
To be honest I didn't notice when I made the chart but the solution is easy in any case. The middle contestant challenges one of his opponents and the victor plays in the final.
A recommendation for the tournament. Following Fiur's example, samiekl created a matchup generator which could be very handy for determining the factions played. Its usage is not obligatory but it could solve a few problems. It also has a "times generated" number so you can make a screenshot of the results and your opponent will know if you got them in your first try 
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted November 04, 2008 01:43 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 13:44, 04 Nov 2008.
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Which is just sad. Exploiting an imbalance for your own gains is simply bad taste and has nothing to do with sportsmanship.
I exploit an imbalance (if there's any) after someone exploits an imbalance against me. I like to pay the people with the same coin, to show them how it's like. (especially if the opponent knows about that imbalance and still does it)
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted November 04, 2008 03:12 PM |
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Isn't "exploiting imbalances" not the same as using your tactical knowledge to your own advantage to turn the tide to favor you - or did I misunderstand something? Since when did it become cheating to play for the win?
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted November 04, 2008 03:21 PM |
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In a game that is supposed to be balanced, abusing one faction (if it's overpowered) is kinda... not tactical if you get what I mean.
that's like playing chess where there's this imbalance that if you play with black, you get 2 moves for 1 white move
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted November 04, 2008 03:22 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 15:23, 04 Nov 2008.
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@Alc: You have a point - I mean, since when using 'counters' is cheating (let's say you use some powerful skills vs your opponent, like Shatter Destructive vs Dungeon, etc)
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted November 04, 2008 03:25 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 15:27, 04 Nov 2008.
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I exploit an imbalance (if there's any) after someone exploits an imbalance against me.
I understood that don't worry^^. It's just that it doesn't really make a difference to me. Either you play fair or you don't. But I admit I am quite the idealist.
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Isn't "exploiting imbalances" not the same as using your tactical knowledge to your own advantage to turn the tide to favor you
I think we have two different things in mind. I mean when you chose a faction because you know it has a certain natural given advantage (due to imbalances) over other factions.
I mean a scenario in which faction A has an "win-button" and everyoneelse doesn't. And I'm talking about the players that chose A because they know they'll have an advantage over others.
I am however not talking about say a match where your oponent picks Dungeon and you chose Sylvan because they have an advantage (I believe?) that is a tactical based decision.
And there is nothing wrong with wanting to win. It are however the means you use to win that determine your worth as a person. And if you exploit an imbalance (imbalance meaning an unfair advantage) to win then you are a poor sportsman (please I'm not trying to call anyone a poor sportsman here!!). Atleast that is what I believe.
Is my point clearer now?
EDIT: Ashie my dove this isn't about "counters" at all. I hope my example made that clear. Let's say every faction has the same amount of troops except one which has 5 times the amount and picking that faction is simply poor sportsmanship.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted November 04, 2008 03:28 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 15:29, 04 Nov 2008.
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Well I agree but I don't think there's a "clear" overpowered faction in ALL situations... only Academy was in the previous 1.x version (and this is only in my opinion! some even disagree) - and as could see I didn't play with it much
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted November 04, 2008 03:36 PM |
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and as could see I didn't play with it much
My didn't mean to imply anything with my posts so sorry if you felt like I ment you in some way.
I however personally feel like there are power differences, naturally not as clear as I stated. Just as much as I am sure that this largely due to my inability to counter them effectively. But still...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 04, 2008 04:14 PM |
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The discussion is a moot point since the imbalances of this map have a random nature. For instance I personally believe that academy with cloak of death's shadow, ring of unrepentant and celerity with defense, stormwind and dark are a clear winner against sylvan. If you DO happen to get them you will use them, it's as simple as that. Similarly the terrain can at times be unfair, does that mean obstacles should be removed? Depends on what you want, however it's an important part of the game that is simply random and you never know who will reap the benefits.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted November 04, 2008 04:17 PM |
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I like that it's best of 3 matches, with no repeat faction. That helps with these 'issues'.
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blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted November 04, 2008 04:18 PM |
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Why did I get matched up with the mysterious guy that hasn't said anything?! I don't have a problem fighting a yapper like Azagal  , but the silent types concern me 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 04, 2008 04:21 PM |
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He's not silent trust me He just doesn't visit the forum too often, I'll let him know to get in touch with you when I see him.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted November 04, 2008 04:32 PM |
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So we wait until Saturday to start? Or we can just play now?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 04, 2008 06:33 PM |
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Alright alright!
Your unbridled enthusiasm won't let me at peace so suit yourself  I suppose it's unlikely that there will be any new balance changes, my duels the last couple of days have yielded positive results. Will soon post a new version to fix a graphical glitch in haven's area, change something in the avenger list and remove the adventure spells that I keep forgetting.
Something else. The official starting date is still Saturday so the one week rule applies from that day on.
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zamfir
Promising
Supreme Hero
Allez allez allez
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posted November 04, 2008 07:36 PM |
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Saturday, you'll meet your doom, Azzie.
Now, seriously, I'm sure it will be a tight match. You played pretty well last time.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 04, 2008 08:48 PM |
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Map updated to 2.5.
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Final_Boss
Adventuring Hero
The Necropope
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posted November 06, 2008 06:38 AM |
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Ok, academy is overpowered in duel map v2.5, I can confirm that. Maybe it has some bad match ups, but come on… my rakshasas had 31 initiative, and my whole army had vampirism, arcane armor, regeneration and righteous might in just 3 or 4 hero turns…
Double casting + consume artifacts + such amazing mini artifacts (+25% initiative LOL!!) is awesomely imba. Someone would have to play really bad to lose with academy on this map.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 06, 2008 10:23 AM |
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For starters by the time you cast all these spells your units may be down already. Secondly you won't always get +25% initiative and if you buy any knowledge artifacts you still miss out on more important ones. Finally there is no guarantee that you will get the 'right' spells for your strategy. So far I have tried with orcs, haven, sylvan and dungeon and the matches were fine. Will try a few more games and let you know of my findings.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted November 06, 2008 01:26 PM |
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At least it's not as crazy as it was in 1.x, where Consume Artifact was a lot stronger (since you raised more percentage of troops because you had less)
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Final_Boss
Adventuring Hero
The Necropope
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posted November 06, 2008 04:34 PM |
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I can upload 3 or 4 academy replays. Some of them are very interesting, like the one vs haven where only titans and gremlins died.
I’ll edit this post soon.
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