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mvassilev
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posted October 12, 2008 07:15 PM |
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I don't use Irvine because he doesn't do that much damage. And I don't really do that much damage with Zell either. But Meteor Wing is extremely powerful.
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Elvin
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posted October 12, 2008 07:22 PM |
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Speaking of GFs I have a feeling that using more than one in the same hero makes them lvl up slower? And yeah I tend to give such roles to my characters. So far it seems more complicated than it should be but maybe it's my laziness talking. FF7 was easier to pickup and didn't require half as much reading, it's getting on my nerves.
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mvassilev
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posted October 12, 2008 07:33 PM |
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Leveling up is bad (unless you're doing the Seifer trick  ), but I don't know if GFs cause less EXP gain.
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Doomforge
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posted October 12, 2008 08:07 PM |
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I don't use Irvine because he doesn't do that much damage. And I don't really do that much damage with Zell either. But Meteor Wing is extremely powerful.
not that much? He can reach damage higher than lion heart with fast shot
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Speaking of GFs I have a feeling that using more than one in the same hero makes them lvl up slower? And yeah I tend to give such roles to my characters. So far it seems more complicated than it should be but maybe it's my laziness talking. FF7 was easier to pickup and didn't require half as much reading, it's getting on my nerves.
FF7 was fun early, but a failure later on, where the abundance of slots in weapon/armor diminished the difference between the characters. Add imbalanced combos like kotr+hp absorb and you didn't need healers, mages, all that mattered was Limit breaks, aside them every char was the same.
FF8 has less room for customalization, and while the limits are way stronger than earlier, you can still use a healer, a warrior, a counter-striker..
FFX has the best system imho, clearly defines roles of each character (not the international grid though).
As for GFs, no they don't make you level up slower, and leveling up doesn't matter since enemies level up together with you, so you'll face similar difficulties anyway. It's way easier to finish the game on low level (possible with diablos' enc-none) because the enemies will be very weak and tricks like junctioned ultima + str+60% will max out your STR stat anyway, allowing you to hit for 9999 in many limit breaks.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted October 12, 2008 09:19 PM |
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You should never have multiple people use your GFs. That will lead to a series of headaches you don't need.
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Doomforge
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posted October 12, 2008 09:56 PM |
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getting multiple GFs will solve the problem 
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Totoro
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posted October 12, 2008 10:05 PM |
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Alright, what you should do in the first place is to get Card Mod ability for Quezacotl (Extremely useful in every point of the game as with it you can change cards for all kinds of stuff.)
Then start collecting cards. I recommend challenging people for card games in Balamb Garden and get all kinds of cards you can get from there.
Now I don't remember which card was it but you can win them by very early phase of the game and with Card Mod ability you can change these cards for alot of Curagas (You can junction Curagas for alot of +health)
This way you don't have to worry about leveling up until the game is coming to its close.
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Elvin
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posted October 12, 2008 10:17 PM |
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I never play card games in any game, feels silly And boring.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted October 12, 2008 10:32 PM |
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It pays off after awhile.
You must have hated Baten Kaitos, Elvin. But really, when I got to he last boss, I hate it as well.
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mvassilev
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posted October 13, 2008 01:38 AM |
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IMO, FF7 is much, much more fun than FF8. It has a better story and better gameplay. And it's harder to make all of the characters exactly the same in FF7 than in FF8. The only way you can do that in FF7 is if you do a bunch of sidequests, get Mystiles or Wizard's Bracelets and the ultimate weapons, and so on - and, unless you have Master Materia, they'll still end up being pretty different. Not in FF8, though. You just Draw, Draw, and Draw, and it gets boring. Then you junction everything exactly the same way, and the only differences become GFs (and except for Cerberus, Doomtrain, Eden, and sometimes Carbuncle you won't be using any of them by the end of the game) and limit breaks. Plus the summoning animations are insanely long. And the story is much weaker.
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 10:27 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 10:27, 13 Oct 2008.
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Zell GF. Squall GF. Repeat. Holy crap that was long.. (Ah yes and draw, cast cure ) The battle in the communication tower was annoying for this reason I lost track of how many GFs I used.
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posted October 13, 2008 10:41 AM |
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and better gameplay.
Matter of taste, I enjoyed FF8 gameplay more, although FF7 was great too.
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And the story is much weaker.
For me it's way better than "let's save the world from a crazed good looking mofo". I'm tired of epic world saving. FF8 was more natural. Ok, they saved their little world anyway, but it was more focused on the psychological evolution of characters, and less on Cloud's gay love for Sephiroth
For me the Nibelhelm confusion ruined FF7. I fail to see why they decided to introduce Zack and make Cloud a wuss. It made much more sense when he was First Class SOLDIER. Later in the game we discover that he in fact was some random Shinra grunt, which is kind of ridiculous.
Also, the multiple Sephiroths (actually parts of Jenova body in Sephiroth form) are redundant and confusing.
I understand the story well, but it's unnecessarily complicated to me. Someone really tried to make epic story.. and failed.
FF8 is basically a love story and the protagonist's struggle with his own personality. It is refreshing. It had its stupid moments (the GF memory loss seems a bit forced, like they ran out of excuses to glue the plot together), but overall I rate it higher than FF7's save the world stuff.
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 11:33 AM |
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Explain me something. I was trying to assign blind to my attack stat but it won't let me.. Is it because of my GF, should the spell be assigned to a specific stat or what..?
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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 11:59 AM |
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Huh? pretty weird. Do you have STR-J skill on one of your GFs?
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 12:15 PM |
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I might have forgotten ifrit on that girl.. That's probably it.
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mvassilev
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posted October 13, 2008 02:51 PM |
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THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!
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I fail to see why they decided to introduce Zack and make Cloud a wuss.
Because it made Cloud a much more interesting character, and to show how unusual he was in being able to throw Sephiroth into the pit in the Mako reactor.
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FF8 is basically a love story and the protagonist's struggle with his own personality. It is refreshing. It had its stupid moments (the GF memory loss seems a bit forced, like they ran out of excuses to glue the plot together), but overall I rate it higher than FF7's save the world stuff.
Squall starts out awesome ("You want sympathy? Go talk to a wall.") but becomes pathetic. He loses the struggle with his own personality and becomes a much less interesting character at the end of the game. And the GF memory loss thing was absolutely stupid. "Hey! We grew up in an orphanage together, but we forgot!" No. That just doesn't work.
FF7's plot, on the other hand, instead of having a character change from awesome to a wuss, has him come to grips with the fact that he's stolen his awesomeness from somebody else - but not give it up. Plus Sephiroth is a more interesting character than Ultimicia (unless you subscribe to the theory that Rinoa is Ultimicia, in which case they're about equal). Plus Aeris and Tifa are much more interesting characters than Rinoa. Aeris is the last of the Ancients and the daughter of the man who started the Jenova Project. Tifa was Cloud's childhood crush, her father was killed by Sephiroth, and her home town was burned down by him. Rinoa, on the other hand, is merely the spoiled daughter of some general and Laguna's former crush. Plus she's really annoying. ("You're going to like me. You're going to like me. Did it work?")
Plus FF7's supporting characters are much more multidimensional than FF8's. I mean, compare Selphie and Yuffie. They're both annoying girls, but Yuffie is trying to restore her country to its former glory, while Selphie is trying to... what? She has no goal. The most interesting thing that happens to her plot-wise is that her Garden gets destroyed. Or compare Zell and Barret. Zell is an annoying kid obsessed with hot dogs. Barret is a tragic character that lost his best friend, wife, and hand to a fire set by Shinra. None of FF8's characters can hold a candle to FF7's. Compare the Turks to Fuijin, Raijin, and Seifer. The Turks are more interesting and less annoying. And so on.
FF7 had a developed plot with numerous twists. FF8's plot felt like it was written by an 8-year-old.
Of course, this is all a matter of opinion.
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posted October 13, 2008 04:23 PM |
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Because it made Cloud a much more interesting character, and to show how unusual he was in being able to throw Sephiroth into the pit in the Mako reactor.
It's nice that you like it. Imho, it was unnecessary, stupid, over-clichéd and pointless ;/ They should have left Cloud a strong SOLDIER, not some random wuss.
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Squall starts out awesome ("You want sympathy? Go talk to a wall.") but becomes pathetic. He loses the struggle with his own personality and becomes a much less interesting character at the end of the game.
I have to agree, I liked the old Squall more.. but, overall, he's ok. And "go talk to a wall" is priceless. I got to tell it somebody sometime 
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And the GF memory loss thing was absolutely stupid. "Hey! We grew up in an orphanage together, but we forgot!" No. That just doesn't work.
True. That was as stupid as Nibelhelm confusion imho. But it wasn't as long, and as important for the story.
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FF7's plot, on the other hand, instead of having a character change from awesome to a wuss, has him come to grips with the fact that he's stolen his awesomeness from somebody else - but not give it up.
I find it ridiculous.
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Plus Sephiroth is a more interesting character than Ultimicia (unless you subscribe to the theory that Rinoa is Ultimicia, in which case they're about equal).
The problem with Ultimecia is that she has been introduced to the story very late. It was almost end of the game when (spoiler..) they tell you
"it was all ultimecia's fault, go get her"..
I would personally prefer Edea as the main evil, without that possess thing. The fact that (spoilers >_> ) she was matron would make it even more interesting. But no, they had to revert to typical "I want to rule the world" villain. Meh. What a waste of a character.
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Plus Aeris and Tifa are much more interesting characters than Rinoa. Aeris is the last of the Ancients and the daughter of the man who started the Jenova Project. Tifa was Cloud's childhood crush, her father was killed by Sephiroth, and her home town was burned down by him. Rinoa, on the other hand, is merely the spoiled daughter of some general and Laguna's former crush. Plus she's really annoying. ("You're going to like me. You're going to like me. Did it work?")
I found Rinoa much more natural than both of the FF7 girls. I liked her personally, I liked Tifa too. But I hated Aeris. Too "pink" in character. Extremely annoying. I cheered for Sephiroth when sliced her through.
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Plus FF7's supporting characters are much more multidimensional than FF8's. I mean, compare Selphie and Yuffie. They're both annoying girls, but Yuffie is trying to restore her country to its former glory, while Selphie is trying to... what? She has no goal. The most interesting thing that happens to her plot-wise is that her Garden gets destroyed.
I didn't like Yuffie (and I had to use her due to her great Ultimate weapon and great limit break..). And I didn't like Selphie either. It's a draw.
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Or compare Zell and Barret. Zell is an annoying kid obsessed with hot dogs. Barret is a tragic character that lost his best friend, wife, and hand to a fire set by Shinra.
Zell is a minor character and a comic relief. Barret is a main character and you should compare him with, say, Seifer. In such case Barret is a puny little man that just lost his family thanks to a corrupt corporation.. how many times have we seen characters like those? it's boring. very Hollywood-ish.
Seifer, on the other hand.. well, a character driven by his romantic dream, an irony of life, since all his dreams are fulfilled.. by his rival, unintentionally (becoming a Knight, a leader, a hero), while he gets what he wanted.. he becomes a lapdog, a traitor and a villain. It was never clear whether he was "evil" or "good" (that's what I like about him). And he had Edypus complex ok, Edea wasn't really his mother, and it's never hinted they had sex, but.. ;> I think that Seifer is wayy deeper than any of the extremely simple FF7 chars. Why simple? Because their motives have been extremely mundane. Barret - vengeance. Aeris - Christ in skirt. Red - "i wanna see my hometown" and then "i wanna be like my father" yawn. Cloud, "let's find Sephiroth", and then "let's save world. Sorry but it sucked balls. ;p
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None of FF8's characters can hold a candle to FF7's. Compare the Turks to Fuijin, Raijin, and Seifer. The Turks are more interesting and less annoying. And so on.
Are you joking? we know nothing about Turks in FF7 except that they are secret agents. Raijin and Fuujin at least have some background. Not to mention Seifer, which eats all FF7 chars alone.
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FF7 had a developed plot with numerous twists. FF8's plot felt like it was written by an 8-year-old.
FF7's plot was boring and confusing, at least for me. FF8 was more realistic and less "let's save the world", except for the end. I liked it a lot more.
I highly enjoy playing both games, though.
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posted October 13, 2008 05:19 PM |
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Final Fantasy 7 isn't bad, its just overrated and its already like eleven years old by now.
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posted October 13, 2008 05:28 PM |
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It was the first game most of the FF fans ever played. First time usually tastes the best..
I think Civ 1 > Civ 4, for instance. Yes, I am biased because Civ 1 was my first.
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 06:49 PM |
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Alright some help.. I still can't get blind to work on either my attacks or as protection. When I get to the page that shows various stat effects(sleep etc) it won't let me assign a spell neither in attack or defense. What gives? Maybe my GFs should learn something? I'd expect that I would be able to use it from the moment it was shown on tutorial..
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