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posted January 09, 2009 05:57 PM |
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Where did you take that info ? (that israly hate german people?)
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posted January 09, 2009 09:13 PM |
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But the trauma of the four Mousa children, aged three to nine years old, will not so easily be erased. For nearly two weeks now they have endured a constant barrage of shells from navy ships
For eight years now the children of Sderot have endured constant missile barrages from the Gaza strip. And no, this doesn't make what we do fine, it's just a reminder why we do it in the first place.
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But the trauma of the four Mousa children, aged three to nine years old, will not so easily be erased. For nearly two weeks now they have endured a constant barrage of shells from navy ships
For eight years now the children of Sderot have endured constant missile barrages from the Gaza strip. And no, this doesn't make what we do fine, it's just a reminder why we do it in the first place.
How many Israeli people were killed at Sderot during those 8 years?
A U.N. agency said in a report that 30 Palestinians were killed on Monday (That is 1 day), a day after the Israeli army herded dozens of civilians into a house which was later hit by shells.
U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay urged independent investigations into this and other incidents, saying they"display elements of what could constitute war crimes."
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posted January 10, 2009 01:47 PM |
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How many Israeli people were killed at Sderot during those 8 years?
So what you're saying is - we are bad because we are stronger and know how to better protect our civilians?
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posted January 10, 2009 01:50 PM |
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If your way of protecting your own civilians is by killing hundreds of civilians from the OPPOSING side, I would suggest you put some questionmarks with the way you call it. This is not protection, this is retaliation 
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posted January 10, 2009 01:50 PM |
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Where did you take that info ? (that israly hate german people?)
60 years...so it started in the 40s.
Third Reich...
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posted January 10, 2009 01:51 PM |
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people who think they still hold grudges against current-day Germans are just stupid.
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posted January 10, 2009 02:01 PM |
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people who think they still hold grudges against current-day Germans are just stupid.
Did some people hold grudges in the late 40s when war had ended?Weren't they like "lets hope that won't happen again"
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posted January 10, 2009 02:05 PM |
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If your way of protecting your own civilians is by killing hundreds of civilians from the OPPOSING side, I would suggest you put some questionmarks with the way you call it. This is not protection, this is retaliation
I wasn't talking about the current situation. Minion mentioned that a lot less Israeli people died during the last 8 years, so what I was talking about is how they were protected during that time - sirens, shelters etc.
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posted January 10, 2009 02:41 PM |
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the only reason that we kill that much civilians is that the palatines use thare civilians as human shield.
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posted January 10, 2009 03:09 PM |
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Where did you take that info ? (that israly hate german people?)
Well you will find several according statements even on this board, which is understandable for the given reasons (example "Schindlers List Thread").
If Palistinians Childrens, Brothers, Sisters, Mothers, Fathers, Grandpas, Friends etc. will be killed by Israel Military the same generalization will start, cause you cant fix it on a specific human .. be it the tank soldier following orders, be it the general that gave the order, or the politician starting the war or the israely population that actually elected their leader ...in the end it will be "the Israelis" or "the Jews" that will be hated for many years.
Its the same here. 6 years of Nazi Germany brought 60 years of hate or nowadays at least great dislike. Which is easy to understand of course. In foreign countries i experienced this dislike personally. The tragic part is that people in arabic countries like us for the wrong reasons.
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Unfortunately the Israely Military have to do what they do at the moment, and thats exactly what the Hamas wants too.
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posted January 10, 2009 03:50 PM |
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palastine already hates us 60 years. do you know that israely war of indepdence is called the day of diaster in palastiene books? They already programmed to hate. and ofc some of israel as well,but this is not a war, this is miletery operation not against a country,not against a province,but against a terrorist orgensition bent on destorying israel,so you'll have to forgive me if i say i would'nt give a rats *** if israel eares gaza of the map!
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posted January 10, 2009 07:59 PM |
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....,so you'll have to forgive me if i say i would'nt give a rats *** if israel eares gaza of the map!
No i dont forgive you. You have no problem to erase gaza, with everyone in it? You dont care about palestinian children? Well, so did the Nazis with jewish people and children.
What does that tell about you?
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posted January 10, 2009 08:26 PM |
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....,so you'll have to forgive me if i say i would'nt give a rats *** if israel eares gaza of the map!
No i dont forgive you. You have no problem to erase gaza, with everyone in it? You dont care about palestinian children? Well, so did the Nazis with jewish people and children.
What does that tell about you?
well it dosen't look like Hamas don't care about his children too, cause they use tham as a shield.
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posted January 10, 2009 08:41 PM |
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Which doesn't mean that we should do them a favor of turning into heartless terrorists ourselves and shoot everything that moves...
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posted January 10, 2009 11:21 PM |
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and You'd expect people would learn....
The world is going to make the mistake it's making for the entire mankind: Forgetting the Past. I'm not the only one who sees connections between the Nazi ways during WW2 and the Israeli ways today. The only difference is that there isn't enough information to confirm it.
I always experienced the Judea-situation, as I prefer to call it, as an odd one. One people enters an area they see as the "Holy Land" and start batteling the Locals... and 2000 years later, the EXACT situation recommences in 1947, with the Independence of Israel and the Two opposite cultures.
Both sides have there reasons to live their. The Israeli because of Religious Issues (what happened to the Separation of Church and State anyway?) and the Palestinians because they are the natives.
Both sides want the country, and both sides see the other as intruders.
This ain't gonna stop easily, everyone can tell. The fact that Both sides see eachother as Nemeses instead of Neighbours isn't making things any easier.
It has always been like this: Hebrew vs Filistines, Israeli vs Palestinians, what the Freakin' difference?
The Palestinians, as decendants of the Filistines, have lived and populated the Country for aeons, and are not willing to give it up to anyone, infidel or foreigner, no matter what. Well, this is at least what the Radical side is thinking, which features the most Radical Muslims (Hamas, and it allies like Hezbollah, and, indirectly, Iran)
The FUndamentalists on the Israeli side see the country as rightfully theirs, mainly because of religious matter (how Church and State are separated by this is, apparently another matter)
The two above Paragraphs illustrate the The Radical, FUndamental, Minority (read minority as 20% or less) which is prepared and will fall for it's country. In between these two radicals are the "normal" folk, as I'll call them, who are on one side, but aren't that prepared to do it (which doesn't mean they like the other side, on the contrairy). They dislike (and maybe: hate?) the other side, but will not offencively attack it.
Here's what I've learned about the War in Gaza: Hamas breaks cease-fire, and launches an missile onto Israel. Should Israel sit back and enjoy the fireworks? Of Course not, their reaction to retalialate is natural (although it tends to be protrayed as "over the top" by European media). In essence it's self-defence.
However this isn't retaliation anymore. This IS a war. Israel was smart enough to ban the press from Gaza before the Offence really started... already a sign they're up to no good (why do you think the Press was restrained after Vietnam?)
Yes, the Israeli killed innocent Palestine Children, and YES, they value the Life of a Palestine Child as less important as the one of their own soldiers, but there are a few side notes to that: 1) Hamas DELIBERATELY puts their HQs into Civilian zones, so that Israeli's are forced (via rocketry) to take innocent lives if they want to evade losses (and make them look like savage Barbarians). 2)The Radical Hamas Leaders don't give a damn' about the innocents themselves (why else would they risk so many lives). Just as a life of a Palestine child is insignificant ot an Israeli soldier, the life of an Israeli child is negligable to a Hamas Militia. If both sides were to switch equipment and territories, both sides would do the same.
You see, in such conflict, outsiders cannot pick sides without being Self-righteous Hypocrites, since both Hamas and the Israeli Militairy are ruthless and vindictive. Both sides have the EXACT mentality, and the same goals. Both sides are willing to do the same. With "Sides" I, of course, mean Hamas + their Militia and the Israel Government/Ehud Barack + the Israeli Army.
You simply cannot pick sides. Israeli and Palestines will dislike this, but both sides are eachother's equal. Fortune wants that one side as Nuclear weapons and a VERY POWERFULL ARMY, while the other only has a militia and a guerilla.
The conflict will go on, and on, and on... untill one side is completely defeated: either anhilialated by the other or fled from the country. This is how it will end(I'm really nauseous by this, and I don't see any other way out), a thought that sincerely saddens me.
I will not pick sides in this. Ever.
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posted January 11, 2009 12:06 AM |
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I think that Israelites must at least give many teritories back to palestine people if not all the palestine...
Is like greeks want what alexander conquer....
But generally I think we must all revolt against every idiot president...free all lands and leave all together....but that's just a dream... which will be true...someday
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posted January 11, 2009 12:28 AM |
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well it dosen't look like Hamas don't care about his children too, cause they use tham as a shield.
Did you know that propaganda only have effect on very smallminds ....
.....like yours?
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posted January 11, 2009 12:33 AM |
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I will not pick sides in this. Ever.
If you ask me, the only way to end this is to interfere heavly. And by that i mean by attacking both sides. Or picking the lesser evil and end it.
As you said, neither of them is better. But again somebody will have to attack them, and who?
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posted January 11, 2009 12:36 AM |
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i Disagree propaganda exist everyware.
i think that people who doesnt live here should give an opinion...
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