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posted December 31, 2008 03:19 PM |
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All this massacre from both sides dates back in 1953 when the first attacks took place after 5 years of Israel's founded.The whole situation is a result of Israel's actions.All these years it's organized and strong army have killed thousands of palestinians innocent civilians and kids.When you spread death you'll take anger and more anger and then death back.When you throw missiles you 'll take rockets.
Everyone can remember the countless efforts of peace in the area.All were failed.From one the so called terrorism and from the other the army's bloody invasions.
It's a circle and no war can stop the attacks against israel.More anger will come and now not only from palestinians but from the whole arabic world.
I agree that this is a Genocide and that's my opinion and to anyone who may call me an anti-semite it's his problem.Even that word *anti-semite* has become ridiculous in the way Jews use it and spread maybe fear to others to express their beliefs.
For example VokialBG to tell his opinion he mentioned many times that he is not anti-semite.There's no need to worry VokialBG.It's your opinion that this is a genocide and i agree with you.
*Anti-semite* what a word, too bad i haven't heard so far the same usage for other religions for example "anti-christian" "anti-muslim" "anti-budhist" etc.I guess it's an easy way to accuse someone when don't agree with Jews or don't like the Jews actions.A way to connect someone with the fascism and nazis.I don't agree with the war in Gaza and i do believe that this is genocide and the Palestine is occupied but that doesn't make me a second Hitler.That's my belief and i'm not afraid to tell it.To anyone who may try to accuse me for anti-semitism explain why i'm an anti-semite.
What about the ship with aid that tried to aproach Gaza's coastline?The ship was carrying four tones of humanitarian aid.. Israeli patrol attacked it in international waters 80 nautical miles from Gaza's coastline!!!That's also a straight hit to international law and Israel should get punished for this action from all countries that respect the international law.
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posted December 31, 2008 03:54 PM |
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Yes it will always be that way because of history.
Black people can brag about themselves but when white people do it -- it's called racism.
Similar with Jews vs others. It's unfair and has no point. Some members just like to accuse anyone of racism/sexism/whatever when they disagree. It doesn't lead to any sensible mature discussion. Many such threads have been heated up with racism and now some few people are afraid to even post -- that doesn't change the fact that they think that way though. Not expressing himself doesn't mean that guy isn't "racist" (even though, of course, he is NOT, but some people exaggerate). And since he doesn't do it with hatred but more into a sensible discussion, what's the problem with 'having' an opinion (such as considering this genocide)?
I really think people should be a bit more open.
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posted December 31, 2008 04:29 PM |
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What about the ship with aid that tried to aproach Gaza's coastline?The ship was carrying four tones of humanitarian aid.. Israeli patrol attacked it in international waters 80 nautical miles from Gaza's coastline!!!That's also a straight hit to international law and Israel should get punished for this action from all countries that respect the international law.
A blockade is a blockade.
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homam
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posted December 31, 2008 04:41 PM |
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A blockade is a blockade.
A blockade is a blockade but here is a blockaid.The cargo of the ship was carrying only humanitarian aid.Also blockades are on a war and take place to prevent the military mostly supplies to reach the opposing force.Blockades take place when there's a danger to help one country to win the war.We have no war here.We have Israel a developed military country from the one side and from the other the unprotected nation of palestine the true victims.
Here we have only medicines that may help thousands of injured innocents palestinians.Victims of Israel's actions.
If Israel wants to kill Hamas terrorists fine.But bombing civilians and then doesn't allow any kind of help to them, then it's a war crime.
None seems to opposite to Israel now.I hope history will do it.
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posted December 31, 2008 04:49 PM |
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Israel has to blockade Gaza in order to prevent Hamas from getting anything. What if they got that humanitarian aid? And Israel can't help killing civilians - that's where Hamas is.
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posted December 31, 2008 05:14 PM |
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History will say whatever the victor will say. It always been that way and always will.
I agree with HoMaM on this one. Israel is now encouared by big bro across the Atlantic, noone dares to say anything bad about them either. Why? The_Death pretty much covered it in his previous post.
At the very least - if they had suspicions about the cargo or who's going to recieve the help - they should help they injured themselves, keeping their eye on them. But I guess it's just easier to blow everything up if noone complains.
Nonetheless Hamas is equaly responsible for this - they hide in the civilian cover and they keep doing that no matter the cost.
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posted December 31, 2008 05:54 PM |
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No one who plays the "we need to teach them a lesson" game ever wants to see what those lessons contain.
I'm guessing that you're speaking mostly about me because you're quoting my words, so from a personal point of view - I do watch those pictures, I force myself to so I would remember what we are doing and that it's not a good thing however you put it. The problem is that the world is too complicated to be divided into good and bad and there's rarely a simple solution.
@HoMaM
I actually agree with you about the whole "anti-Semite" thing. The word is being thrown out too often. However, don't you think you're making the same mistake when you talking about genocide? Don't you think you're trying to evoke the same feelings of disgust and create the same images with that war? Genocide is the systematic slaughter of a nation. The Palestinian people were never and hopefully will never be Israel's enemy. We're only fighting those who want to hurt us, and while it's very sad that innocent people are getting hurt because of it, as cruel as it may sound our citizens are more important to us then theirs and I don't think we can be judged in that sense. If you don't believe that we only have problems think about how many times we fought the Fatah since it became a purely political organization. If you don't know the answer, I'll help you - never. For some reason the bloodthirsty, Palestinian-murdering Israelis didn't kill one Fatah member ever since they renounced terrorism.
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We do.
We did allow the entrance of trucks with humanitarian help - under our supervision. And today I have heard reports that a couple of children who have been regrettably injured from the attacks were taken into Israel to be treated in our hospitals. Once again, the innocent civilians are not our enemies and we want them to suffer as less as possible, as long as we reach our goals.
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posted December 31, 2008 09:11 PM |
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Israel has to blockade Gaza in order to prevent Hamas from getting anything. What if they got that humanitarian aid? And Israel can't help killing civilians - that's where Hamas is.
The day civilian casualties became "inevitable" is the day humanity lost track of its road to civilisation.
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posted December 31, 2008 09:12 PM |
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what action should be taken if the Hamas personal,terrorist hides in a hospital,dressed as a doctor,and is spooted,reconsided and killed,did we kill a doctor? acording to media,we just did!
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Geny
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posted December 31, 2008 09:13 PM |
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Civilian loss has become "inevitable" ever since terrorism was invented.
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posted December 31, 2008 09:27 PM |
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The day civilian casualties became "inevitable" is the day humanity lost track of its road to civilisation.
It's unfortunate and sad. But even more civilians would die if Israel did nothing.
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posted January 01, 2009 06:19 PM |
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It's unfortunate and sad. But even more civilians would die if Israel did nothing.
You don't know that. You're just speculating. Heck I'm not saying the other "camp" is right (I'm just analyzing neutrally) but speculations and claims like that make no print on the subject.
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posted January 01, 2009 06:33 PM |
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It's unfortunate and sad. But even more civilians would die if Israel did nothing.
You don't know that. You're just speculating. Heck I'm not saying the other "camp" is right (I'm just analyzing neutrally) but speculations and claims like that make no print on the subject.
So they should tolerate missile attacks?
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posted January 01, 2009 06:38 PM |
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No I'm talking about the retaliation.
You know that there are different ways of "retaliating" right?
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posted January 01, 2009 06:42 PM |
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Hamas doesn't want Israel to exist. Therefore, if Israel did nothing, it would keep attacking until it would kill enough people to make the Jews leave.
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posted January 01, 2009 06:44 PM |
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Are you sure my posts get to your eyes? 
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posted January 01, 2009 06:45 PM |
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You tell me, then. Would Hamas stop if Israel did nothing?
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posted January 01, 2009 06:45 PM |
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Therefore, if Israel did nothing...
Are you sure my posts get to your eyes?
What other means do you suggest, if not by force?
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posted January 01, 2009 06:49 PM |
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@mvass & Dagoth: I said retaliation, it's not a "will we retaliate" yes/no question it's HOW we will retaliate.
Hypothetical example: We must kill guy in building X. So, we can:
1) Drop a nuke on the whole town
2) Send a team to eliminate him (just an example)
3) Bomb the building and surroundings
4) etc...
this is, of course, just hypothetical so you can get the idea.
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posted January 01, 2009 06:56 PM |
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Unfortunately, killing individual Hamas guys doesn't do much to get them out of power.
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