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What makes Israel think that by hitting them really hard they'll suddenly sit down and talk?
The way I see it (and that is only my personal opinion), there's 2 solutions to every conflict no matter how big or small - violence and diplomacy. Maybe if we show them that violence will bring only destruction to them, they'll turn to dimplomacy because they have no other choice.
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posted December 30, 2008 09:37 AM |
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Hmm... well I hope you're right. Not that violence is good but diplomacy is kinda obsolete in the region .
But I really don't believe it will get Israel anywhere. Just breeds more hate which causes more violence.
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posted December 30, 2008 09:44 AM |
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The way I see it (and that is only my personal opinion), there's 2 solutions to every conflict no matter how big or small - violence and diplomacy. Maybe if we show them that violence will bring only destruction to them, they'll turn to diplomacy because they have no other choice.
That's what US believes too, and look how hard they fail.
And actually there is 3rd option...Nukes.But I don't think anyone wants it to end up that bad.
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posted December 30, 2008 10:39 AM |
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The truth is that Jews are hypocrites that do something that is an official recognized act of war (blockading a territory) and then piss and moan when there is a retaliation (makeshift rockets). Then they murderously attack the territory, claiming it is "self-defense".
Before it falls down the memory hole, someone should remember that last week, Hamas offered a ceasefire in return for basic and achievable compromises. According to the Israeli press, Yuval Diskin, the current head of the Israeli security service Shin Bet, "told the Israeli cabinet (on 23 December) that Hamas is interested in continuing the truce, but wants to improve its terms." Diskin explained that Hamas was requesting two things: an end to the blockade, and an Israeli ceasefire on the West Bank. The cabinet – high with election fever and eager to appear tough – rejected these terms.
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posted December 30, 2008 12:11 PM |
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#DarkShadow: i agree, there is a 3rd option. It does not have to be nukes, but a 3rd party occupying the dam warzone and forcing in peace.
But its twisted in a way, and why has none attempted to stop them yet? If you just negotiate down 1 side you will fail because you forgot the other side.
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posted December 30, 2008 12:24 PM |
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Maybe if we show them that violence will bring only destruction to them, they'll turn to dimplomacy because they have no other choice.
You've been "showing" them that for the past 50 years...
They seem to be sort of slow learners, eh?
I couldn't be more neutral on this entire conflict. I don't really support either side, to be honest. I just don't like it when ordinary people die cause of politicians and then SUPPORT those same politicians as their saviours. In my humble opinion, that's kind of retarded. That's all.
I do full-heartedly support things like GenieLord's action to accept some people from the south into his home, but I can't accept thoughts like "violence will make them turn to diplomacy" since they're
a) against my principles
b) against common sense
c) just don't work with unbelievably stubborn peoples (trust me).
I know how it is when people who hate each other live on the same territory, and I can tell that both sides are as wrong as they could be. The only ones I can show any kind of support to are civilians, and it's not like anyone important gives a crap about them anyway.
And the final issue... When Muslims from around here started complaining, the USA couldn't be quicker to give them a country (TWO countries if you count Kosovo). And out there in some godforsaken desert in the middle of nowhere, after decades of senseless slaughter, that's still not even an option. Why? Why do some countries have to concede their territory in the name of peace, and others don't? Who's to believe all that "in the name of peace" bull**** then?
Do try to understand me. Neutrality is the best I can do here.
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posted December 30, 2008 02:07 PM |
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Im sorry salamandre,but i find you opinion bies, and unrealistic,as well as little hypocritical.
First.. I asked one thing in previuse post,why is there NO CNN report on the dead israely,why is all of the attention is at the gaza side,atleast we use soliders to kill terrorists and ofc some civilens get hurt, but they use Civilens to kill civilens only.
Ugandien rebles murderd almost 200 viligers today, and israel are to blaime.
Yesterday Iran started to recuirt volonteers to fight the 'zionist' enemy, recuirted 1100 troops. Demonstartions of burining the israel flag,yet no one seem to care.
Egypt had warned the hamas that something like that will happen and ofc made a cross eye to israel. Yammanise people assulted the egyption emmbessy in yamen because of that. Cech` republic however does in favor with the "israely deiscion,bent on world dominiton"..!
and the ones you make most look too,are Anti-zionist reporters, the Dos as i like to call them. The orthodox jews are against the country of israel as a country because acording to there ortodixian crap the country of jews should not exists untill te messia comes and make it happen, and untill tat.bla/
Im sorry if i angerd anyone in this post,but you have to understand that its very easy to make an opinion without living it. why won't you come visit israel Salamdnre , askelon,ashdod,sderot, whana see our vast desert? or proaphes the Zaka cars? Someone explain him what Zaka means.
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posted December 30, 2008 02:46 PM |
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There will never be any peace as long as Hamas is in power.
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posted December 30, 2008 02:54 PM |
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Actually there can be. There was also peace for a while when Hitler was in charge of Germany.
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posted December 30, 2008 02:55 PM |
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You know what I meant. I was referring to a lasting peace, not just short absences of armed conflict.
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Whoever are starting fights there, I would be ready to dump them to Siberia or any other place as sophisticated.
Not a single person should die because some locos want more square-kilometres that they could call their own land, like they would take anything with them to their graves.
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posted December 30, 2008 04:01 PM |
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Actually there can be. There was also peace for a while when Hitler was in charge of Germany.
There was a preparing for war from the very beginning of his regime (1933). When preparing was finished, war started (1939).
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posted December 30, 2008 05:47 PM |
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Hamas is the last thing Israel should be worried about. It becomes more and more obvious where the first Iranian nuke will be send.
Unfortunately for Israel, your devoted USA leaders have hands tied because of Iraq and will not help.
Do the American tax payers know that from 1949-2006 Israel received more than $156 billion of direct US aid as well as US military technology? Under US policy and laws, financial aid to Israel should not be spent by Israel in the Occupied Territories.
But Israel spends US aid with impunity.
The US has a number of laws regulating foreign military aid and weapons’ exports. The 1961 Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) states that “No assistance [ought to be given] to countries that violate human rights”. But Israel systematically violates human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
The 1976 US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) states that “Weapons purchased from the US should only be used for legitimate self-defense”. But since September 2000 the Israeli military has killed more than 3,354 Palestinian civilians (as of 8 August 2007).
Anti, those are not my opinions but facts. I don't know, am I maybe human and feel more sympathy toward the victims than the butchers. And if it means to you being anti-zionist to have opposite opinions about the Israel aggressive politic, then I am fully anti-zionist. And without doubt Israel is a beautiful and mythic country. I hope to visit it one day, if it is still there.
You opened kinda Pandora box when making this thread.
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Hamas is the last thing Israel should be worried about. It becomes more and more obvious where the first Iranian nuke will be send.
HAMAS is just a pretext to attack Palestina IMO
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Unfortunately for Israel, your devoted USA leaders have hands tied because of Iraq and will not help.
Iraq is inwaded only because they have oil(or just for revenge of peuople who died during the Gulf war.)
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Do the American tax payers know that from 1949-2006 Israel received more than $156 billion of direct US aid as well as US military technology? Under US policy and laws, financial aid to Israel should not be spent by Israel in the Occupied Territories.
But Israel spends US aid with impunity.
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The US has a number of laws regulating foreign military aid and weapons’ exports. The 1961 Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) states that “No assistance [ought to be given] to countries that violate human rights”. But Israel systematically violates human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Nothing to comment in here, pure truth
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The 1976 US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) states that “Weapons purchased from the US should only be used for legitimate self-defense”. But since September 2000 the Israeli military has killed more than 3,354 Palestinian civilians (as of 8 August 2007).
Since when bombardment and a standby invasion is a form of self defence?
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posted December 30, 2008 06:23 PM |
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This whole thing seems like a cop (aka "Israel") kills a criminal's family (who probably had done nothing) to "teach him a lesson" and maybe make him think twice before (and any other criminals with families, in that regard)
Not sure what to say except that it's just 
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posted December 30, 2008 06:23 PM |
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Hamas is the last thing Israel should be worried about. It becomes more and more obvious where the first Iranian nuke will be send.
If that happens, Iran will be obliterated and World War III will be the end of us all.
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posted December 30, 2008 06:25 PM |
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posted December 30, 2008 06:34 PM |
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Kipz, your either don't know what your saying,or your dead drunk,because this is offensive,and idiotic post you just made i wish you reconsider it!!!
What if israel just waites to tension with Iran so we could have an excuse to come and MASSCARE YOU ALL,then i hope israel can Invade Europe, and commite genocide there! [/sarcesm]
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HAMAS is just a pretext to attack Palestina IMO
if that was so,then why is israel CO-Working with Mohhamad abas aka Abu Mazen,the chief of Fatah to take out hamas?
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Iraq is inwaded only because they have oil(or just for revenge of peuople who died during the Gulf war.)
I remind you of this little dictator that was excucted recently,Sadam hussien, I know Oil was reason number1,but Hussien take out was nessery!
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if your unable to make such generlising i wish you wouldn't post here!
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The 1976 US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) states that “Weapons purchased from the US should only be used for legitimate self-defense”. But since September 2000 the Israeli military has killed more than 3,354 Palestinian civilians (as of 8 August 2007).
Since when bombardment and a standby invasion is a form of self defence?
It was very funny,but does the statistics speaks of how meny ISRAELY citzens and soliders ware killed during that time,or does only palastinen blood metters?
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I remind you of this little dictator that was excucted recently,Sadam hussien, I know Oil was reason number1,but Hussien take out was nessery!
Any country has their right to their internal politics. Just because a dictator is bad for US standards does NOT mean they must act like the cops of the world. If they want their corrupted freedom and government, they should keep it to their borders.
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posted December 30, 2008 06:45 PM |
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most of the world supported the desicne to take out saddam hussien. the world did not support the desicion to remaine and steal all the oil... but thats another story...
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