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posted December 30, 2008 06:48 PM |
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So many things have been said, where do I start...
HAMAS proposed another truce? With improved conditions?
Improved for whom? Need I remind you that they started bombing our cities before the previous truce was over? In fact, the whole truce thing was that instead of launching 40 missiles a day they launched 5. Some truce. And that's the people you want us to give more time to get more supplies and better weapons? Thanks, but no thanks.
Israel has killed 3000+ civilians?
I admit I don't have any actual facts, but I seriously doubt that. Israel has killed 3000+ people sounds closer to truth. The difference is that every HAMAS activist, whether armed or not, cannot be considered a civilian because he tries to destroy Israel in one way or another. (HAMAS still haven't agreed on Israel's right to exist.)
Israel has systematically broken Human Rights?
Doubt it. Sure, some offenses probably were made, it's hard to completely avoid them during such a conflict. However, let's take this war for example, even though civilians are being killed, we do try to minimize the losses by letting humanitarian help get in and calling every citizen in a "hostile" building, warning them of the oncoming attack so they can escape. I'm not saying we're saints, but don't turn us into devils either.
@Death
Actually, it's more like a policeman throwing a grenade into a fortified house of a criminal where he keeps all his tools and killing his family in the process. Still bad, I know, but there is a difference.
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posted December 30, 2008 06:48 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 18:51, 30 Dec 2008.
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@anti: Yes even the Russians so they could sell their tanks to Saddam... 
The world is a dangerous corrupted place 
but this is a bit off topic (there was a thread about Iraq if I remember)
@Geny: you mean truce  (not truth? I don't get it)
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posted December 30, 2008 06:52 PM |
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posted December 30, 2008 07:03 PM |
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Israel has killed 3000+ civilians?
I admit I don't have any actual facts, but I seriously doubt that.
Israel has systematically broken Human Rights?
Doubt it. Sure, some offenses probably were made, it's hard to completely avoid them during such a conflict.
Let me refresh your memory:
123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29,2000.
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1,062 Israelis and at least 4,876 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
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8,341 Israelis and 33,034 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.
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United States gives over 26 times more assistance to Israel than to Palestinian development organizations.
During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day
to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians.
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Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
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1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.
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0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.
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posted December 30, 2008 07:09 PM |
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According to one of the sources you provided about 233 Palestinians were objects of targeted killing. This actually proves my point, because Israel did not target civilians, only terrorists and terrorist supporters (HAMAS activists and such), so the numbers you give are not the numbers of innocents but of people.
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posted December 30, 2008 07:22 PM |
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so the numbers you give are not the numbers of innocents but of people.
Kinda sad that we make a difference . Under the circumstances it can't be helped though ...
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posted December 30, 2008 07:24 PM |
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posted December 30, 2008 07:36 PM |
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*PIC REMOVED*
I'm pretty sure this one was innocent enough.
I am so tired of somebodies from somewhere.
[Edit by angelito]
Even though I know what you wanna express, I found this picture not very accurate to put into a forum like this.
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posted December 30, 2008 07:54 PM |
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With every rocket and bullet, another universe is snuffed out. But that's a small price to pay in order to be right, isn't it?
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posted December 30, 2008 08:00 PM |
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@Antipaladin: Sorry,didn't mean to sound so anti-semithic, that was just my opinion, no need to take it so personally
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posted December 30, 2008 08:39 PM |
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if i'd say that your people spit on everyone laws and will counqer everyting in there way would you take it personally?
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posted December 30, 2008 08:45 PM |
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I wouldn't.
Note that Americans do it too, maybe even more than Israel.
And what are you complaining about Anti? Last time you said you weren't even a jew.
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posted December 30, 2008 08:48 PM |
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if i'd say that your people spit on everyone laws and will counqer everyting in there way would you take it personally?
that was in medieval. today we are like serfs to ES,NATO and USA(oh, and Russia too.)
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posted December 30, 2008 08:51 PM |
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I wouldn't.
Note that Americans do it too, maybe even more than Israel.
And what are you complaining about Anti? Last time you said you weren't even a jew.
being a jew in israel does not consist of religion but of bloodline.
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posted December 31, 2008 01:07 AM |
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I thought you aren't a Jew even by bloodline?
Anyway, why was baklava's picture removed?
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posted December 31, 2008 01:14 AM |
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Im so sory for those people there,but i heard today that they are declearing some kind of cease fire and that Israel wan't attack them if they dont attack Israel back.
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posted December 31, 2008 01:36 AM |
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Anyway, why was baklava's picture removed?
It was a bit too... realistic.
Angelito's right. People who theorize about things like this most often don't really want to see how all that really looks. No one who plays the "we need to teach them a lesson" game ever wants to see what those lessons contain.
I posted that pic on purpose. I expected it to be removed, I'd do the same eventually if I was a mod. Just hope the picture reached the people it was meant to reach.
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posted December 31, 2008 02:17 AM |
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If what people says is true.
Then Israel is one of the most bloodthirsty and selfish countries I have ever read about.
Lots of palestinian civilians have died... Israel doenst deserve to be a country if they contiune with this medieval and barbaric ways.
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posted December 31, 2008 02:52 AM |
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What, and Israel should just let their own citizens get blown up? No thanks.
A country wanting to defend its people - how awful! 
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posted December 31, 2008 12:24 PM |
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I thought you aren't a Jew even by bloodline?
jew bloodline and israely bloodline are differnt. my mom is a jew her mom is a jew,her mom was a jew,and so am i,even if am atheist.
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