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pandora
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posted January 31, 2009 02:03 PM |
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Its weird when I think things and someone else types them  Nice post Baklava.
Mvass, is that seriously how you see the OSM? I understand that you did write 'extreme' analogy, but that train of thought came from somewhere.
Do you feel that anyone should be excluded from participating?
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Elvin
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posted January 31, 2009 02:36 PM |
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Sounds like generic bs to me. Yes letting loose kiddies in there would undermine the level of some discussions just as turning it into elitist grounds would turn it to.. umm what we have now  (j/k) But none of these extreme situations matters because we are debating how to make things better. Anything else is arguing pointless semantics as good portions of the osm are right now. No need to start recycling arguments again or turn the discussion into definitions, let's stick to the topic or let it rest. We should know what to do by now I hope?
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pandora
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posted January 31, 2009 02:52 PM |
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Well, I think its an interesting question just based on the fact that people have said that they feel excluded in the OSM, or commented on how some people seem to be ignored when they try to participate - so I was wondering if this actually was intentional.
I personally think that the best way to improve things in the OSM, is just to have members respect the intention of the thread that they are posting in. If the thread is meant to be more light in feel, and people are having a more pleasant discussion about that - then allow it to stay that way. Don't try to turn it into another hot tempered debate and drive others away. And as well, if the thread is serious - if people are getting emotional - don't jump in with some silly spam, or make jokes about their opinions.
To me, its really that simple. If there are problems, raise them in Feedback, or HCM a mod, don't take your personal feelings about post or poster and make them the new topic of the thread. Its usually these things that make a thread really turn bad fast, rather than 'my argument vs yours' it becomes me vs you.
The worst thing that can happen in the OSM is when people do start becoming active, and are stifled. To me, that happened in the what is love thread, we had different posters participating there than the usual bunch - but as it became more of the usual "heavy debate" stuff, they left.
The simple fact is that there are a lot of people who are uncomfortable posting in the OSM, its often just not a pleasant place to be - so give people a chance to feel comfortable there. The more active posters we have, the better the forum will be.
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Darkshadow
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posted January 31, 2009 04:30 PM |
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Lurking won't help anything 
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Asheera
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posted January 31, 2009 04:31 PM |
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I think he meant lurk and then post, and not the other way around or something like that.
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posted January 31, 2009 04:34 PM |
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Yeah, but when people lurk this has usually happened by the time they think of posting
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mvassilev
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posted January 31, 2009 04:38 PM |
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Bak and Pan:
You didn't quite understand what I meant. I didn't mean that we should kick people out of the OSM or prevent them from posting there. What I meant was that we shouldn't lower the OSM's standards just to get more people to post there. It's like the American school system - the standards are low so the people at the bottom wouldn't fall behind - but the people at the top suffer as a result. (Of course, there's no such "top and bottom" on the OSM, but different things that people like.) So if the OSM was made less hospitable to lively debate, casual posters might like it more - but the debaters would lose interest.
I don't really see a problem with the way the OSM is now, but if you see one, I suggest one of three solutions: either make the Tavern, not the OSM, the place for "life stories" and discussions of relationships, create a "Debaters" subforum where the big debates would take place, and thus free the OSM from them, or start some kind of "debating guild" that would create more structured debate and create threads where this debate would be confined.
But, to briefly return to what I posted earlier - I'm not saying that the OSM is necessarily better than other subfora, but it's more serious, and lowering its standards might make it lose its purpose of existence.
As for the TC's original intentions - I don't quite agree. If the TC complains, then obviously the thread should return to being what it was intended to be, but if the TC doesn't care, then it doesn't really matter.
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I'm not sure I agree with your two points. Yes, it's nice when posters take the time to read a thread, but sometimes a thread is too large for that to work effectively. Plus, a poster may only take issue with what one of the people said, and thus challenge only one person. That's kind of how I got into the OSM in the first place - I Gave Up on Believing in God had a lot of participants debating in various directions, but a post made by Bak attracted my attention, and I replied to it. The rest is history. 
And people shouldn't feel like they have to stay on top of a thread. If they're no longer interested, then they should stop posting. They shouldn't feel obligated to continue - as that both prevents discussion and makes the existing discussion worse.
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mvassilev
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posted January 31, 2009 06:16 PM |
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It would appear that I simply misunderstood you. Then I agree, I think. If people want to actively participate in a discussion, once they start, they should keep track of what's been said after their last post. But I haven't really seen people not doing that.
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Peacemaker
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posted January 31, 2009 09:27 PM |
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Yeah, but when people lurk this has usually happened by the time they think of posting
ROFL, DarkShadow.
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mvassilev
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posted January 31, 2009 09:49 PM |
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It's Peacemaker! What has the old OSM vet to say about this situation?
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pandora
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posted February 02, 2009 11:13 PM |
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I don't really see a problem with the way the OSM is now, but if you see one, I suggest one of three solutions: either make the Tavern, not the OSM, the place for "life stories" and discussions of relationships, create a "Debaters" subforum where the big debates would take place, and thus free the OSM from them, or start some kind of "debating guild" that would create more structured debate and create threads where this debate would be confined.
But, to briefly return to what I posted earlier - I'm not saying that the OSM is necessarily better than other subfora, but it's more serious, and lowering its standards might make it lose its purpose of existence.
I really don't much enjoy the idea of more forums - its enough of a struggle to keep up with what we have. Already I get a few hcm's a week from people asking where they can post their threads, it doesn't need to become any more confusing.
Not to mention, as I've stated before I'm quite unhappy about all the division between members - sectioning off another forum would just further that.
There is no reason why you couldn't simply make your debaters guild in the OSM, I'd be happy to sticky a thread for you to manage your debates and results.
At the risk of sounding like someone who is nitpicking on words, what I really disagree with in your posts is the idea that anything other than debates is a lowering of standards. To me that's simply a matter of preference, and you're just going to have to learn that your way is not the only way.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom, that I think might really help you 
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Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum
What might be right for you, may not be right for some
A man is born, he's a man of means
Then along come two, they got nothin' but their jeans
But they got Diff'rent Strokes
It takes Diff'rent Strokes
It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world
Everybody's got a special kinda story
Everybody finds a way to shine
It don't matter that you got not a lot- so what?
They'll have theirs, you'll have yours and I'll have mine
And together we'll be fine,
Cause it takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world, yes it does
It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world!
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The_Gootch
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posted February 02, 2009 11:18 PM |
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I was asked to scrounge up some women for a sausage fest. I gots me a big kahuna on my radar. Got it before but that was back in my kinder, catch and release, days.
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mvassilev
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posted February 03, 2009 12:45 AM |
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Pan:
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There is no reason why you couldn't simply make your debaters guild in the OSM, I'd be happy to sticky a thread for you to manage your debates and results.
The Debaters' Guild it is, then. Although it'd take a bit of work to organize, I'll make an attempt at it.
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At the risk of sounding like someone who is nitpicking on words, what I really disagree with in your posts is the idea that anything other than debates is a lowering of standards.
Anything other than debates would not, of course, necessarily be a lowering of standards. However, artificially changing it (instead of letting it change naturally) would lead to such a lowering.
And I've got a quote for you too:Quote:
In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst. In the name of the values that keep you alive, do not let your vision of man be distorted by the ugly, the cowardly, the mindless in those who have never achieved his title. Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and a step that travels unlimited roads. Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it's yours.
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pandora
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posted February 03, 2009 12:55 AM |
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My quote wins, yours is all puffed up and bloaty, while mine comes with a catchy tune
Your debater's guild shouldn't be a chore, call it a labour of love and get to work - let me know if you need modly assistance with it.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted February 03, 2009 01:17 AM |
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Implement post limits in the OSM and expect a coup
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phoenixreborn
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posted February 03, 2009 01:34 AM |
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Obviously my idea has been tossed out. I just want to respond to something Pandora said about edits. In my version edits wouldn't be allowed either.
Anyway the direction the thread has gone the last couple pages we've seen some positive improvements and ideas.
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mvassilev
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posted February 03, 2009 03:29 AM |
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Your debater's guild shouldn't be a chore, call it a labour of love and get to work - let me know if you need modly assistance with it.
It's up. Now I need participants and judges. Perhaps, it will need a sticky if it meets with some success.
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Peacemaker
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posted February 05, 2009 05:41 PM |
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It's Peacemaker! What has the old OSM vet to say about this situation?
Hey there, Mvass. How's it going? Nice to see some old-timers still lurking around.
As to your question, keep in mind I have not read this whole thread. With that in mind, knowing as you do that there were days when I'd get into it with other members and post virtual tome after virtual tome (particularly in the Iraq War thread)I do not think that limiting posts would necessarily improve the situation. It's not a matter of quantity versus quality, man. They do not necessarily have an inverse relationship. In other words, merely limiting the number of posts per person would not necessarily improve the quality of the post, it might actually prompt people to ramble on endlessly. Either that or people might just start backing up and repeatedly edit the existing posts to continue the dialogue. If a debate becomes involved you must have enough freedom to pursue that dialogue.
We know that Heroes goes through its own evoluntionary phases. The quality and nature of the posts change with the participating crowd at a given time. I don't think there's much one can do to control that process.
Now, get back to work!
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The_Gootch
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posted February 05, 2009 09:11 PM |
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Peace, at your earliest convenience make your way over to the Man vs. Woman thread in the OSM and give some input. Actually, I don't care about your input. I just want you to make your surrender official.
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posted February 06, 2009 04:25 AM |
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No editing allowed I'll repeat it. But we may as well stop discussing it since it isn't going to happen.
By the way I'd be careful with definition of Old-timer OSM vet etc. Just because you were here posting in 2003 makes you and "old-timer" but it has nothing to do with quality. MVass seems to be conjoining age and quality needlessly.
Just take this thread for example. Our 'old-timers' popped in to say they're apathetic.
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