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The_Gootch
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posted January 30, 2009 12:02 AM |
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...Now this one's made me mad. Who the hell does he think he is using my own words against me? Sarcasm aside, I'll still choke him when I meet him for knocking my feud with Hudson and Wolfman.
Call me arrogant if you want. But if I'm laughing while I'm reading my own writing, if I'm entertained by it, then I'm gonna stick my head out there and say a lot of other people are entertained by it.
Call my observation a feeling of mood more than a willingness to call out individuals by name. If they feel incensed by what I'm saying, if they think I'm referring to them, they're probably right.
Pan raises the excellent point that everything is so freaking dry. Where is the joy? Where is the passion for a topic besides a nasally, "You said this and I disagree!! Nyuh-uh! I didn't say that! You're making stuff up!! Yes you did say that! No I didn't!! Yes you did!!"
Seriously, is the high point of my OSM day going to be Emilsn's Second Base Tales?
Not that I'm knocking it, mind you. I'm actually looking forward to it. Wtf Emil, where's our update?
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mvassilev
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posted January 30, 2009 12:27 AM |
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Pan:
But there's limited room on the shelves. 
The_Gootch:
Perhaps you don't understand the fun of a good engaging argument. I'm surprised - you had plenty of them in the past. But now you just pop in, make a few (admittedly high-quality) posts, say something about "the kids these days", and then disappear for months at a time.
But you definitely have a point.
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posted January 30, 2009 12:33 AM |
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What fun? 
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TheDeath
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posted January 30, 2009 12:37 AM |
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What fun?
Don't you think people would stop making NEW threads if it wasn't? 
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pandora
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posted January 30, 2009 12:38 AM |
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There's plenty of room, I just checked and the quote wars are past their expiration date. So we can throw that out and add something a little spicier.
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Hmm, if this were the OSM I guess I'd have to engage you in a 40 page bickerfest about the definition of the word "good"
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mvassilev
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posted January 30, 2009 05:41 AM |
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Now, that's being a bit unfair. There haven't been any quote wars in a while. Just regular debates. Back in the days of quote wars, I wished for these kinds of debates. So it's a major improvement.
As for the good arguments - are all participants enjoying it? (Because, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, right?) So what's the problem? Newcomers aren't attracted to it?
Perhaps we need to have some kind of debating guild.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 30, 2009 11:37 AM |
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My impression is, that basically only a handful of people is interested in DISCUSSION. The rest may have in interest in tossing their opinion around, but lack interest, time, energy, knowledge and so on to really delve into stuff.
Look at the Big Bang thread, for example. Skyrocketing post count as long as at was just about tossing a quick opinion into the mire, but the thread went dead IMMEDIATELY after threatening to discuss things with a more fact-based background.
Clear indication.
My impression is that you can fool around enough in the Tavern and on the VW already or am I wrong?
But there should be a forum as well where opinion-tossing might be called. Being able to back up an opinion by solid reason ain't that bad a skill generally, so I wonder what this discussion really is about.
On another note, I'm pretty sure that COMPARATIVE "insults" are legally ALLOWED:
"You ARE an idiot" is an insult.
"You behave LIKE an idiot" is NOT.
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baklava
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posted January 30, 2009 11:44 AM |
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So technically we'd be allowed to say "Your mom, in my humble opinion, judging by several of my perfectly legal assumptions, behaves LIKE a prostitute"?
I fail to see how helpful insults are to any discussion. No matter how you pack them up.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 30, 2009 12:35 PM |
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So technically we'd be allowed to say "Your mom, in my humble opinion, judging by several of my perfectly legal assumptions, behaves LIKE a prostitute"?
I fail to see how helpful insults are to any discussion. No matter how you pack them up.
Insults needs the intention to insult, otherwise it's just an accidentially unlucky phrasing.
If your assumptions are perfectly legal indeed - let's say, your mom dresses rather provocative, visits dingy and doubtful establishments regularly, has a vocabulary like a sailor und can be seen flirting heavily with all kinds of men, yes, I would be allowed to say that your mom in my humble opinion behaves like a prostitute. To be able to say your mom IS a prostitute I'd have to prove that she's taking money for certain services from more than one man.
Now, obviously you cannot make a comparative statement when there is nothing to compare. If MOM isn't anywhere mentioned here, any sudden comparative mention of MOM would OF COURSE be an insult. Third person insultig, actually.
The gist here is, if I say, you behave like an idiot, then it's a special claim for a special occasion, usually followed by a reason why, and implies that you are an ok person, but just not at this special occasion. If you say, you ARE and idiot, then it's unsubstantial generalizing.
For example, if someone would claim the same silly thing over and over and over again he behaves like an idiot. But he IS no idiot, or, more correctly, you cannot conclude that from just that one thing.
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angelito
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posted January 30, 2009 12:46 PM |
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Quote:
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What fun?
Don't you think people would stop making NEW threads if it wasn't?
No. They just endlessly try to start a discussion which hopefully will NOT end in a quote war by 3 other members..
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baklava
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posted January 30, 2009 12:54 PM |
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@JollyJoker
Apparently, we are slowly reaching this stage.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 30, 2009 01:41 PM |
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Nah. I think it's just a matter of language. You know, in German at least, "leg peeing" is actually part of the language. "To pee at someone's leg" means generally harrassing someone or crossing someone in a slightly dubious way. It's used mostly in connection with "try", so if you say, X is trying to pee at my leg" it means that X is trying to cross you in a way that shows a bad character.
We aren't that personal here. I think.
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pandora
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posted January 30, 2009 01:49 PM |
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Well I haven't had an issue with anyone accusing another of peeing on them... yet - but there have been a lot of times when people do go overboard insulting another person's intelligence, and especially in insulting their lifestyle and belief system.
Sometimes you need to remember that there are very young people here - and while you might think that its obvious that you're "playing around", they will take you quite literally.
Also, trying to cleverly disguise an insult, doesn't make it less of one - plus it insults our intelligence when you try to say it was meant innocently... Insults all around
In any case, I'm more concerned with the foul language policy as of late, I'd really appreciate it JJ (and all else who don't censor) if you could use ****s in your posts rather than decide its unnecessary. Or better still, express yourself without the cussing. period.
There's always more than one way to say something
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JollyJoker
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posted January 30, 2009 02:19 PM |
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I'm not in the habit to cuss in posts and PMs to people I don't know face to face.
For insults, my opinion is that the majority of people is just too touchy. Look at team sports. In the heat of the moment - of the fight, you might say - they tell themselves a lot of really bad stuff, but after the game they shake hands and that's it. They know that when the blood is up words have the tendency to fly fast and without much thought. Same thing when delicate issues are debated.
You can't consider all sensibilities when making a statement, for example about religion, and if someone feels offended by it it makes no sense to draw circles around it.
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Lexxan
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posted January 30, 2009 07:08 PM |
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Since I'm way to lazy to rewrite a post, and I think it's pointless anyway, I've posted my complete Idea in the What is Love? Thread
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baklava
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posted January 31, 2009 12:46 AM |
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They know that when the blood is up words have the tendency to fly fast and without much thought. Same thing when delicate issues are debated.
Maybe people should stop debating delicate issues without much thought then?
Nah. Crazy idea, I know.
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TheDeath
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posted January 31, 2009 01:12 AM |
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Look at the Big Bang thread, for example. Skyrocketing post count as long as at was just about tossing a quick opinion into the mire, but the thread went dead IMMEDIATELY after threatening to discuss things with a more fact-based background.
I agree I think that thread has just been completely derailed into the endless debate with 'science vs religion' when it has absolutely nothing to do with your first post.
(btw: I am not sarcastic)
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posted January 31, 2009 02:04 AM |
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At least it's good to see that The Death is finally realising these things and seems to be willing to change or at least help other OSM posters realise this as well so that the OSM can finally become a place where more people would like to post in.
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mvassilev
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posted January 31, 2009 02:15 AM |
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Note that more posters =/= better OSM. To use an extreme analogy, letting everyone into elite universities and lowering their standards isn't going to make these universities better.
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baklava
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posted January 31, 2009 11:23 AM |
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Lowering their standards? As in, lower than we are? Ok, let me rewrite that "Spectre is haunting HC" thread in a fascist manner... 
Seriously, the last time I checked you didn't need to go through some kind of a test in order to post in the OSM. Except tests of patience, of course. And if there was such a test, I'd love to see how some of the current regular OSM posters would pass.
Introduce elitism into the OSM and in a month or two it'll be either empty or filled with one or two snobs. And I thought the idea is to change it for the better.
More posters (as in, "more than four") could only help the place IMO. And if things get too childish (like in some points of the Gaza thread), that's why God created Pan and Angelito.
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