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Doomforge
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posted March 19, 2009 03:30 PM |
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Minion, Baklava summed up perfectly what I meant to say. There is no need for me to add anything 
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posted March 19, 2009 03:42 PM |
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Xerox, you're a douche.
Miss, mr and alike are used when communicating with strangers e.g. when you're on a job interview. Bah, you're still a pup, you'll learn.
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posted March 19, 2009 03:56 PM |
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Yeps, by that logic nothing minor should ever be done, as there are always bigger problems out there.
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posted March 19, 2009 04:00 PM |
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no, but why to waste time on something totally not important?
Of all minor things to improve, why that?
Tell me, honestly, do you think there isn't anything better to do, even with minor issues?
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posted March 19, 2009 04:07 PM |
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Xerox, you're a douche.
Miss, mr and alike are used when communicating with strangers e.g. when you're on a job interview. Bah, you're still a pup, you'll learn.
Not in Sweden. In sweden they are really rare. But Xerox, you should know that Miss, Mr and alike are very important in other languages, like German and English. At least when talking to strangers and/or people older than you. When you talk with some one you don't know or some one older than you, you should say Mister Martin to not look like a douche.
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posted March 19, 2009 04:30 PM |
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no, but why to waste time on something totally not important?
I don't think marital status is none of anyone's business in the parliament, it is an archaic way of behavior, AND it only applies to women.
I have no reason for keeping it the way it is. Do you? I mean if there was a vote on this (that means the time was already spent on it) would you vote YES or NO for this change?
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posted March 19, 2009 04:32 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 16:36, 19 Mar 2009.
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No idea where you live, but here not saing miss or mr is unmannerly and disrespectfully.
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I have no reason for keeping it the way it is. Do you?
Do we have to change it? Same point - not useful change.
Foot for all hungry people instead!
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What if I want someone to call me "Your Majesty"... Mr. is too ordinary~!
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posted March 19, 2009 04:41 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 16:45, 19 Mar 2009.
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While we're at it, was there a vote?
I mean among the people, not among bored, silly, rich old men and one or two random quasi-politically-correct organizations.
Were regular people asked whether they want half of their language deemed sexist just because that's the new, popular trend?
Was there a vote about whether the word "statesman" offends anyone?
And whether we want cucumbers to have standardized length and angle of the curve (because the parliament dealt with that, too)?
Was anyone asked whether he she it thinks there are more important things for governments to deal with?
If they were, I certainly can't remember.
What's next? Concentration camps for those deemed "politically incorrect" by these standards? Social stigma for everyone that says "Excuse me, miss..." or uses the word "sportsmanship" in a book?
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posted March 19, 2009 04:44 PM |
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Edited by Vlaad at 16:48, 19 Mar 2009.
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"Regular people" want public executions too.
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posted March 19, 2009 04:44 PM |
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Aaah, so that is what this was about. So this is a rant about the way politics works? Ok, I'll join in on that one ^^
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posted March 19, 2009 04:47 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 16:53, 19 Mar 2009.
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Do you want public executions?
Hell yes this is a rant about the way politics work.
Democracy? Certainly, as long as you only vote and show your opinion when we tell you.
Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you don't use any of the words from the List.
Who makes the List? We the government, of course.
Cucumbers? Only as long as their maximum bend is at a gradient of no more than 1/10.
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posted March 19, 2009 04:48 PM |
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Again, I have nothing to add, great post Bak 
Minion: I would be stunned by the stupidity of the question in the first place. I would probably refrain from voting. Even if the forms are banned, they will still exist in our culture. It's a struggle with the windmills. Thus, I'd question the intelligence of the initiator of such stupid idea rather than wonder whether to vote yes or no.
If you really need to know, yes, those forms are unnecessary, but because they cause 0 harm and are socially accepted, it borders on the stupidest idea around. The cucumber still holds the first place, though.
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posted March 19, 2009 04:51 PM |
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Thats what happens when the goverment is full of douches.
I didn't even knew that lads and lasses marching with the nations flag, portraits of important historical persons and singing the national emphem(spelling?) during a national holiday are considered nazis, atheists, anti semits, homophobs and racists, but not patriots. How retarded is that?
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posted March 19, 2009 04:56 PM |
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It has nothing to do with VOTING.
You can SUE for it, simple and easy, and depending on what the constitution says it HAS to be changed. By LAW.
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Vlaad
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posted March 19, 2009 05:16 PM |
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...which is passed by voting?
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posted March 19, 2009 06:03 PM |
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God, it happened here in Belgium...
Anyways, it's pointless to change a language and, if the title is irrelevant or unknown, you use the term Mrs in English, anyway, so thine point ist invalid. Also, you can usually figure out people's status by looking at their finger...
Now, as a linguist, I am totally opposed to changing a language, because it does no good to the langue. You make the language poorer.
Also, the moment a goverment starts to change a language is the moment where we have to say no. Language is the tool that the fictional big brother used and all the great world dictators. What I mean with that last sentence: It's a bad precedent to do this thing, because people might start to accept that.
Forgive the insane paranoia in the last sentences... Been reading George Orwell...
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posted March 19, 2009 06:30 PM |
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Tom Clancy is a bit more paranoied IMO.
Soon enough their gonna tell force us to relinquish our unique cultures and be one big grey mass.
But wait... Didn't they tried this already? 
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posted March 19, 2009 06:35 PM |
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Well, Miss and Mr are NOT common in sweden like Shares said.
But after reading my english (Harry Potter lol) books and my spanish books I do understand how important they are in other countries.
Im reading Harry Potter in english, because its funny to see how names of books etc changed in swedish and its just always better to read books in their orgina language, and I cant escape Miss and Mr!!!
Like every two page in Harry Potter mentions Miss and Mr...
I study spanish at school since one year back (sixth grade, 12yrs old) and in every single dialogue in that book it says like.
- Hola, senorita Malena. ?Qúe'tal?
- Buenós diáz, senor Ortego. ?Qúe'hay?
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posted March 19, 2009 10:25 PM |
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Dear God, people still think that the EU (more like UN actually...) is not good at talking and picking problems they don't need to.. you know, get into the "big action" of changing stuff? That's the only thing they can do. Talk and appease! 
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if women are offended by this, they shouldn't get married... which in turn would solve lots of problems
what's that? social conflicts?
I know of a lot of other... ways which you call BS to avoid a lot of other social conflicts and diseases too.
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Obviously no one bothers to answer Minion's question, though.
Since it's not even the point of the topic?
Who freaking cares about whether you call them different when married or not? Maybe we should call married men different too. With a different language though.
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The problem here is that many names include MAN: It's somehow stupid to call a female policeman a policeman, and it's just dumb to call a man policeman and a woman policewoman. We have this kind of crap in Germany, where everything has a (male) gender. In English a judge, can be male or female, however, in German the word "Richter" is male and the word "Richterin" would be female. That makes it awkward to address them all in one word, and believe me, it sucks to always hear, something like "Richter and Richterinnen" as in Ladies and Gentlemen.
Why complain because of the language? That's the language. Use a different language or a artificial "synthetic" one See below:Quote:
Now, as a linguist, I am totally opposed to changing a language, because it does no good to the langue. You make the language poorer.
Also someone complained about tax money. You think THIS is a waste of MY tax money? They are being wasted being used against me on a LOT of bigger budgets, seriously...
Also what will happen to that guy Edna granny used to talk? Will he imprisoned cause of saying too much "madame"? 
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posted March 20, 2009 07:53 AM |
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The level of ignorance in this thread borders on the unbelievable.
The CONSTITUTIONS of every EU land and of the US GRANT that no one is to be disadvantaged because of their gender (among others)! If a gender based part of society is treated differently and that different treatment results in disadvantages, that different treatment has to stop.
To make clear what this means: Let's say, with a view on the anti muslim hysteria there had been the rule to put muslim religion into the adress. You'd call everyone Mr. und Mrs., but every Muslim would be called Muslismrs. or Muslimr., respectively.
Obviously against the constitution - and for a very good reason.
Now, profession names like policeMAN, fireMAN are leftovers from a time - when women was explicitely FORBIDDEN to do certain kinds of jobs which is a discrimination. Language REFLECTS the spirit of the times, and words are created to reflect social differences. If you don't want these social differences, you simply have to ban them, like you ban a word like snow. Language, therefore is ever changing, and in both ways (and a linguist should know that: it tries to lose unwished for words and it gains new ones.
And it's not even new - you know of course, that in the French Revolution they immediately changed the address as well, to citizen, if I'm not completely wrong.
But I repeat: it's the CONSTITUTION that grants this, and as soon as a case is made before the constitutional court, the court has basically no choice to decide what they have to decide to keep true to the constitution - in this case the politicians HAVE to make the laws necessary to make sure that the constitution is enabled and followed.
Lastly, I'm really surprised about what "linguists" write nowadays:
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Anyways, it's pointless to change a language... Also, the moment a goverment starts to change a language is the moment where we have to say no. Language is the tool that the fictional big brother used and all the great world dictators.
If you don't see a contradiction in these two statements of one and the same post, there are no contradictions.
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and, if the title is irrelevant or unknown, you use the term Mrs in English, anyway, so thine point ist invalid. Also, you can usually figure out people's status by looking at their finger...
I didn't know they speak English only all over the EU, and I didn't know that status is magically altering people's fingers - maybe like Pinocchio's nose getting longer with each lie?
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Now, as a linguist, I am totally opposed to changing a language, because it does no good to the langue. You make the language poorer.[/quote} As a linguist you should know that language is changing by the second - and usually it makes the language richer.
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Of course, it's language has their own problems, and some of them are on the funnier side, so let me tell you something about the German language you may find funny.
In German, for example, gender-neutral words are impossible, since we have an article for each gender: der (male), die (female), das (neutral).
Naturally, with such a gender-sensible language, the EU thing has been an issue in Germany for a long time - basically ALL names for professions and other things are male of gender, but you can build a female form by adding -in (and changing the article).
So "der Bäcker" is "the baker" in male form, and "die Bäckerin" is the baker in female form.
The trouble is, though, that this is true for the general terms as well - the overwhelming majority of all the general terms where gender is basically - and at least seemingly obviously unimportant. Take for example the word "voter", a word politicians use quite often, and you hear it often spoken before elections. In German the word is of male gender, DER WÄHLER. However, no one uses this in the singular form, and the stupidity of the German language wants it, that plural articles are gender NEUTRAL. There is only ONE plural article for all genders, DIE, so in plural it's DIE WÄHLER.
Now, women didn't have the right to vote initially and got in the 20th century mostly and only, not long enough ago, at least, to accept it as a word with male gender that implicitely includes both men and women, so it was concluded that it was politically correct to address the female voters separately.
Naturally, politicians have to be politically correct, so from then on you'd hear from each politician in each speech "voters and voterins" or, in German, "Wählerinnen und Wähler".
In other words, German language is a complete desaster.
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